HPAT

HQvhs

logic123 wrote: »

we have an interview system in britain which works very well, but we also have the disadvantage of an BMAT AND UKCAT like the HPAT, unfortunaly our universitiies just look at BMAT AND UKCAT and brush everything a side. Ireland would benefit from an interview system, like you said a small country so it shouldent be a problem interviwing people. Getting to knoe the person is much better then getting to know them throuhg IQ tests and puzzles

Not sure if you're referring to me, but I said an interview system definitely would not work here. There are so few places and it's such a small country (Half the size of London) that it would be wide open to corruption. If you didn't have contacts in the medical profession or in the universities, or if you didn't have the money your prospects of getting into medicine would be slim with interviews, regardless of ability.

Crystler

HQvhs wrote: »

I know what you mean. It is awful to get your hopes dashed, I know what it's like. But from a neutral vantage point here I can tell you that you do still have a chance. And there are still other options left.

There are almost 10 days left until the CAO change of mind facility closes. You could use this time to investigate other areas you'd like to do. I imagine there is something else you are interested in but won't seriously consider because it's not well-regarded, there's not stable job at the end, the points are very low, or other people sneer at the course. Sorry if that sounds bad, I'm not saying you're going to medicine for the wrong reasons, of all the people here you're probably on of the few who wants it for the right reasons. But a lot of people don't consider a lot of back ups for the wrong reasons. I'm probably making no sense there!

Alternatively, you could always repeat or aim to do post-graduate medicine. Or you could apply through UCAS for next year. If medicine is what you really, really want, then it's worth exploring all these different avenues.

It's terrible to see someone's hopes raised and then dashed, but there are ways to become a doctor and if you're determined enough you can find a way.

Thanks, your words really do help. I plan to ultimately do medicine, if I don't get into Ireland I'll have to go abroad, at the moment I'm applying to a college in China, Hungary, and... forgot the other place I applied to... I don't plan on repeating for the sole reason that fee's will be placed in (sure it's up for speculation but it's most likely gonna happen, and I don't want my parents to be placed under that kind of financial pressure.) So best option is going abroad where cost of living is cheaper and I'll be able to minimise the costs.

pathway33

lorien1990 wrote: »

Hi everyone,

So i got an overall score of 133, which gives me an overall percentile of 23....so should i now just come to terms with the fact that medicine will not be going down on my final CAO form or leave it as is!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

My real issue isn't my score because I kinda realised months ago that I don't have the ability needed to do medicine, which is fine because I'm just as happy doing nursing...I think! I just don't want to look back in years to come and think that I should have given it a better shot.

My Leaving Cert also did not go well beause I was so sick, in and out of doctors surgerys and hospital...all kinda ironic haha. So I don't even know how good or bad points wise it has gone for me!

I really would just appreciate some advice
x

repeat. It's not that bad once you get into the mindset and you will have no regrets. Have a nice summer after your rough year and focus for 8 months from september. What's 8 months out of the rest of your life

Edit: But you should still fill out your CAO based on what you want to do not what you think you will get

Craguls

There's always biomedical science in UCD it's basically their Human Health and Disease
DIT have another good one by the same name

cathysweet

i hope so. this has been a long time coming:)

logic123

anyone have physics for there backup?

Craguls

ktah wrote: »

aww i just realised i dont have biology 4 that health and disease thihg.ragin!!!:mad::mad:sounded lik a great back up to medicine!:(

http://publishing.yudu.com/Aqte6/UCD2009MED/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=&skipFlashCheck=true look through this for biomedical science it's UCD's version of HH&D and doesn't need biology just one lab science

HQvhs

Crystler wrote: »

Thanks, your words really do help. I plan to ultimately do medicine, if I don't get into Ireland I'll have to go abroad, at the moment I'm applying to a college in China, Hungary, and... forgot the other place I applied to... I don't plan on repeating for the sole reason that fee's will be placed in (sure it's up for speculation but it's most likely gonna happen, and I don't want my parents to be placed under that kind of financial pressure.) So best option is going abroad where cost of living is cheaper and I'll be able to minimise the costs.

If you're that determined ultimately nothing can stop you. Just keep trying even if it feels like banging your head against a brick wall.

Unfortunately no matter where you go nowadays you will have to pay fees. Don't let this put you off.
Firstly, they may introduce a grad tax instead of fees.
Secondly, as a med student I would imagine getting a student loan wouldn't be too difficult, even in these straightened times. Ireland could still be cheaper as you wouldn't have accommodation etc.

Look into other CAO courses you may want here. Then, wait until August for the results and then make your next move. Just do not remove medicine from the CAO!

You sound like you want nothing more than to do medicine. If you work hard enough and try enough you can get it.

Crystler

straight_As wrote: »

I don't think it's trickery. If you're an absolute genius, but doss through 6th year, you technically still have a chance. I mean you get 300 in the HPAT and, as unlikely as it may be, 480 in the LC, and a place in med school would seem highly probable.

I really can't see any logic behind a 520 cut-off. Frankly, I feel the only reason a number was introduced was to prevent the people who get 200 points from wasting money by sitting the test.

If it were up to me though, no such number 'selection minimum' would exist. Anyone wanting to do med would sit the HPAT and the top x cumulative scores (after 550+ adjustment) would be awarded a place.

And anyone who was so deluded as to think mediocrity in BOTH tests (LC and HPAT) would be rewarded with a place in med school, probably wouldn't be a great doctor, imho.

No one PLANS to do exams for admission into college 'mediocritly' (not sure if thats the right adverb) what I have said is that regardless of how well you do in the HPAT you will still need above 530(chancing with 520) to get in (and by mediocrity is around 480-510). Due to the practise tests everyone was lookin around the mid 200's and only about 1 % of people got above 200 (lower than 220). So what makes mediocre, mediocre?

logic123

were else can you apply for medicine apart from ireland scotland england and wale and america?

Crystler

logic123 wrote: »

were else can you apply for medicine apart from ireland scotland england and wale and america?

Hungary, Slovakia (heard it from someone on this forum) 2 other eastern countries and China.

ktah

Craguls wrote: »

http://publishing.yudu.com/Aqte6/UCD2009MED/resources/index.htm?referrerUrl=&skipFlashCheck=true look through this for biomedical science it's UCD's version of HH&D and doesn't need biology just one lab science

thanks!looks lik a good option!duno what ta put down afta medicine!veterinary wud b my second choice but if i get de points 4 that, im gunna get a med place so

logic123

of course you would need to speak there language?

paperglue1234

absolutely devestated with my result- added to this the fact that the first time i checked the result it was 178- disappointing enough- checked it again just now to discover that it was changed to 136..........?????:(

ThehPatroniser

My e-mail never arrived so I had to get my score from the CAO website. Only one problem. They didn't have the percentile.

My score is 173

Does anyone know what percentile that is?

So far I see :
Score 133 = 23 perc
183 = 92 perc
188 = 94 perc
204 = 99 perc

Any other scores out there?

Craguls

Depends where your interests lie really.
Alot of people say good things about neuroscience, pharmacy, biochemistry is good if you liked chemistry at school.

Crystler

logic123 wrote: »

of course you would need to speak there language?

The Hungarian course is in english I think, but you will need to obviously learn the languages as you will be spending 5-6 years there and working during that time so you should be able to pick it up.... besides Hungary I don't know if any other countries do it in english.

Streifi

i've got 69% with 161 points

Crystler

ThehPatroniser wrote: »

My e-mail never arrived so I had to get my score from the CAO website. Only one problem. They didn't have the percentile.

My score is 173

Does anyone know what percentile that is?

So far I see :
Score 133 = 23 perc
183 = 92 perc
188 = 94 perc
204 = 99 perc

Any other scores out there?

You got 83% or 86%. I remember seeing someone else with that score and had this percentage. Congrats

A Neurotic

173 = 84%

drrkpd

Crystler wrote: »

You got 83% or 86%. I remember seeing someone else with that score and had this percentage. Congrats

you got 84th percentile-congratulations

logic123

has anyone got lower then 97

drrkpd

this is summary so far of results posted-hope this helps:D

123 points 13th percentile
150 points 49 th percentile
161 points 69th percentile
164 points 73rd percentile
173 points 84th percentile
176 points 86th percentile
177 points 87th percentile
180-183 points 92nd percentile
185,186 points 93rd percentile
187,188 points 94th percentile
191,192 points 96th percentile
201-205 points 99th percentile

Waaahhh

On the CAO website it breaks down your HPAT score into the three sections!!

Piste

Ooh thanks for that, interesting.

cathysweet

ACER test scores (where available):
Exam Score 1 Score 2 Score 3 Overall
HPAT 061 075 049 185

figured i may aswell bare my soul!|:)

A Neurotic

ACER test scores (where available):
Exam Score 1 Score 2 Score 3 Overall
HPAT 067 061 060 187

EDIT: cathysweet, you kick my ass at interpersonal intelligence :P

pathway33

ktah wrote: »

duno what ta put down afta medicine!veterinary wud b my second choice but if i get de points 4 that, im gunna get a med place so

don't be filling cao places based on predicted points :eek:

cathysweet

god, yours are nice and even!!! the middle section cleary saved my bacon haha!

cantona56

has anyone ever entered a really long msg and the deleted it by accident????......soooo annoying:mad:....

anyway, well done to everyone on fantastic results!! i thought i did ok but now im starting to think i havnt a hope!!....153 and 55%....fairly middle of the road......i wud consider myself a 'talentless slogger' when it comes to anything academic...i suppose the kind of person the hpat is trying to weed out:D...but i really really really want to study medicine...( like everyone else here:D.....does anyone think that i have a chance??? i think the LC went really well....i think i can get 580 if all goes well!!!

i have almost resigned to defeat but i just coudnt face repeating all those hours of study...iv deprived my skin of vitD for long enough!!!...

again, well done on some great scores, by the sound of things many of you will make great doctors!!! good luck in august!!:)

Crystler

ACER test scores (where available):
Exam Score 1 Score 2 Score 3 Overall
HPAT 058 067 052 177

Ouch... fairly average, only my interpersonal rose above my average :S As per usual my abstract thinking was the lowest.

Acid_Violet

This is weird. It said I was in the 94th percentile but my score was only 188. Maketh sense?

Des23

Exam Score 1 Score 2 Score 3 Overall
HPAT 074 044 067 184

92nd percentile..

Section 2 let me down, but it was always going to be my worst

Streifi

how did you get the results of the sections? can't find it... sorry

ktah

ACER test scores (where available): Exam Score 1 Score 2 Score 3 Overall HPAT 058 064 067 188








c'mere is that not 189???WDF?

Piste

Go into My Application and scroll down to the bottom.

ThehPatroniser

In order to calculate the relevance of the HPAT score we need to know:

1. The number who sat the HPat;
2. The number of Medical places available.

In order to have any idea of whats going on we need to rank ourselves in the context of the number of places available (ignoring the LCert points).
We ought to be able to say shortly where we all stand NOW. I am assuming that thereafter 550 LC points minimum will be necessary, and the question will then arise as to the change in ranking depending on the point in the range 550 to 600.

Any one in possession of the data needed to do the maths?

Crystler

cantona56 wrote: »

has anyone ever entered a really long msg and the deleted it by accident????......soooo annoying:mad:....

anyway, well done to everyone on fantastic results!! i thought i did ok but now im starting to think i havnt a hope!!....153 and 55%....fairly middle of the road......i wud consider myself a 'talentless slogger' when it comes to anything academic...i suppose the kind of person the hpat is trying to weed out:D...but i really really really want to study medicine...( like everyone else here:D.....does anyone think that i have a chance??? i think the LC went really well....i think i can get 580 if all goes well!!!

i have almost resigned to defeat but i just coudnt face repeating all those hours of study...iv deprived my skin of vitD for long enough!!!...

again, well done on some great scores, by the sound of things many of you will make great doctors!!! good luck in august!!:)

In my opinion. Anyone who gets over 550+ in the leaving cert will and have decent HPAT results (as in from 150-170) have a stronger chance compared to those with rather low (510-530ish) LC results and good HPAT results (170-200)

Acid_Violet

Is there anyway to figure out what you got in the different areas.

Waaahhh

Acid_Violet wrote: »

This is weird. It said I was in the 94th percentile but my score was only 188. Maketh sense?

Noone has any idea how the HPAT was marked, so what might seem like a low overall raw score is misleading! 201 is the 99th percentile.

Well done-top 6%!!:D

Piste

ThehPatroniser wrote: »

In order to calculate the relevance of the HPAT score we need to know:

1. The number who sat the HPat;
2. The number of Medical places available.

In order to have any idea of whats going on we need to rank ourselves in the context of the number of places available (ignoring the LCert points).
We ought to be able to say shortly where we all stand NOW. I am assuming that thereafter 550 LC points minimum will be necessary, and the question will then arise as to the change in ranking depending on the point in the range 550 to 600.

Any one in possession of the data needed to do the maths?

Piste wrote: »

Maybe this is dodgy maths, but there are 3356 applicants who have medicine as their first choice and 405 places. 405/3356 x 100 = 12% so only 12% of people who sat the HPAT (i.e. people in the 88% percentile) have already got their place.

The leaving cert will change this a good bit, but will it change it significantly?

At the moment it's bye bye medicine for me

.

Waaahhh

Crystler wrote: »

In my opinion. Anyone who gets over 550+ in the leaving cert will and have decent HPAT results (as in from 150-170) have a stronger chance compared to those with rather low (510-530ish) LC results and good HPAT results (170-200)

Sorry but once you get to the points threshold it doesn't matter how you got there.
So someone with 560(LC) + 170(HPAT) has a total of 730 points-the same as someone who got 530+200!!

Acid_Violet

I know a good few in the top percentile who don't reckon they'll do medicine.

straight_As

Crystler wrote: »

No one PLANS to do exams for admission into college 'mediocritly' (not sure if thats the right adverb) what I have said is that regardless of how well you do in the HPAT you will still need above 530(chancing with 520) to get in (and by mediocrity is around 480-510). Due to the practise tests everyone was lookin around the mid 200's and only about 1 % of people got above 200 (lower than 220). So what makes mediocre, mediocre?

Relative previous years, 520 points is a mediocre LC score for admission into medicine. Christ, imagine your complaints had you sat the LC in 2005 when med entry to TCD was 590* (600 median) http://www2.cao.ie/points/LVL8_05.PDF!

Now, I'm not in any way insinuating that these students would, or, indeed, will be better doctors than you yourself. You evidently have a great desire to become a doctor, and I, like I'm sure may other readers of this thread, recognize that you will some-day make a fantastic medic. But I can in no way accept that you have been cheated by the system, if low leaving cert points restrict your application. The fairest system is the one in place. If places were awarded on the premise of "some deserve it more than others", the selection technique would be rendered unjust and unmeritorious.

What I'm attempting to say is, the selection process for medicine is fairer than ever. The emphasis still favours the LC, granted, but now, problem solving aptitudes are acknowledged, and rightfully so.

Also, one final thing. You should never predict an intellect-based score from a sample paper. As the paper is based on intelligence and adaptability, its true purpose is to see your mental skills used in a foreign scenario. A fairer judgment would perhaps have been your natural ability and its corresponding percentile, relative to your other classmates or medical school applicants known to you.

It was the exact same exam for all students, and my guess would be that the most naturally gifted students topped the grading.

Personally, though, I hope you get in. You have an unrelenting drive for medicine, which is commendable.

G'luck!

(This is all ahead of me next year :eek:)

Streifi

mine adds up to 162 if i count the points but have just 161 as well... might be 62.2 and 56.7 or so and they just don't bother with the lasts digits. assume the scores they send out by email are the correct ones...
read somewhere that they calculate not just points but down to decimal numbers

Acid_Violet

Exam Score 1 Score 2 Score 3 Overall
HPAT 061 061 067 188

Thought I scored highest in the middle section and that I scored way lower in the first. Thought the 3rd was a piece of cake but that the second was way harder than in the practice booklet- too many options that could be both right. Ah well

Crystler

straight_As wrote: »

Relative previous years, 520 points is a mediocre LC score for admission into medicine. Christ, imagine your complaints had you sat the LC in 2005 when med entry to TCD was 590* (600 median) http://www2.cao.ie/points/LVL8_05.PDF!

Now, I'm not in any way insinuating that these students would, or, indeed, will be better doctors than you yourself. You evidently have a great desire to become a doctor, and I, like I'm sure may other readers of this thread, recognize that you will some-day make a fantastic medic. But I can in no way accept that you have been cheated by the system, if low leaving cert points restrict your application. The fairest system is the one in place. If places were awarded on the premise of "some deserve it more than others", the selection technique would be rendered unjust and unmeritorious.

What I'm attempting to say is, the selection process for medicine is fairer than ever. The emphasis still favours the LC, granted, but now, problem solving aptitudes are acknowledged, and rightfully so.

Also, one final thing. You should never predict an intellect-based score from a sample paper. As the paper is based on intelligence and adaptability, its true purpose is to see your mental skills used in a foreign scenario. A fairer judgment would perhaps have been your natural ability and its corresponding percentile, relative to your other classmates or medical school applicants known to you.

It was the exact same exam for all students, and my guess would be that the most naturally gifted students topped the grading.

Personally, though, I hope you get in. You have an unrelenting drive for medicine, which is commendable.

G'luck!

(This is all ahead of me next year :eek:)

The Leaving Cert is all one big prediction, but yes I understand your points. I'll most likely look back on this in August and realise that the system is just and fair, but at the moment I feel betrayed by a system that once brought me hope.

I wish you all the luck for your leaving cert next year, it is not scarey at all until like 2 mins before your exam, even if you have prepared your ass off. At this point I wish I had the money to pay for grinds in language subjects so I had a 7th honour (dropped french the month before, and then app.maths went to the toilet).

I read on the summer exams forum (posted on it also) and read you did superb on your 5th year exams, good going

Streifi

well everybody...
i have to go to work now and can't follow up this any longer... somehow i have to earn the money for the fees...
finger's crossed for everyone who really wants to do it for the right reasons! Always remember there's a second chance to do so. I was hugely dissappointed when i didn't get into medicine straight after the leaving (or my equivalent to it) and am fighting to get into it for almost 5 years now but these 5 years have been the best 5 years in my life! I've worked and had my own money. I learnt a hell lot more than i did in school and i found the love of my life and moved to a different country and learnt to be fluent in a foreign language.... where there is a will, there is a way! Just don't give up.
I honestly think i'm gonna make a much better doctor now than i would have made 5 years ago!
All the best to everyone!

dog_pig

Anyone get higher than the 97th percentile? A friend of mine did and he's buzzing!

Crystler

dog_pig wrote: »

Anyone get higher than the 97th percentile? A friend of mine did and he's buzzing!

That's great a friend of one of the posters got in the top 1% (212) I'm going to go out now I'll keep up later on this evening! Hope I'll be less stressed.... Only superficial thing about me getting into medicine , as I have somehow painted myself as some kind of medicine cherub, is that I was hoping to get in at age 17 rather than age 18 or older :S

Off Topic: Who else thinks they should make a "Less Stress, More Success" book for Life after the Leaving (pre-results)?