Premiership Player Draft - Discussion Only

LuckyLloyd

Hi lads, sorry I missed my window - away in Eindhoven for the Liverpool game.

I'm taking Steve Finnan. Will do a write up later. I have just gone through the picks thread and the spreadsheet is now fully updated. In doing that I got to see some of the new write ups. In my opinion, it's great to see that people are putting a bit of thought into their selections and taking the time to argue their corner. The pace at the moment is pretty good aswell. Great stuff.

mayordenis

was on my list - oh well - good call though Finnan put in a great shift with Fulham and even better at liverpool, alot would argue he was the best right back in the league for a few seasons so you did well to get him in whatever round this is.

Mitch Connor

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Hi lads, sorry I missed my window - away in Eindhoven for the Liverpool game.

I'm taking Steve Finnan. Will do a write up later. I have just gone through the picks thread and the spreadsheet is now fully updated. In doing that I got to see some of the new write ups. In my opinion, it's great to see that people are putting a bit of thought into their selections and taking the time to argue their corner. The pace at the moment is pretty good aswell. Great stuff.

can you clear up what the story is regarding injuries?

Rosicky was picked earlier; and I would argue he is a poor pick based on the fact he is injured more than 50% of his premiership time. Others were arguing we are picking teams for a one off game so injury problems should be of no concern at all.

Whats the story?

Xavi6

Bah I had Distin earmarked for left full in Round 8.

Picking in Round 7 now....

Frisbee

Berkovic is a good pick Xavi.

Was trying to decide between him and someone else in that position. you've made my mind up for me.

Bubs101

Frisbee wrote: »

Was trying to decide between him and someone else in that position. you've made my mind up for me.

Sorry to break it to you but Vela is 34 appearances short

Frisbee

Bubs101 wrote: »

Sorry to break it to you but Vela is 34 appearances short

Wha?
DAMN IT!

Right I'm removing myself from the Draft. My team just won't work now :pac:

Mr.Nice Guy

If you're looking for an attacking central midfield player then I don't think there's anyone else left that's better than Berkovic. It's a very good shout.

Eirebear

Bubs101 wrote: »

How Heskey and Crouch got picked before Viduka I will never understand.

Simple, I can't stand the fat lazy git.

Melion

Just a quick one Lloyd, you've missed my #6 pick. I took Darren Anderton

Idu

Melion wrote: »

Just a quick one Lloyd, you've missed my #6 pick. I took Darren Anderton

He's down as my pick but I took Robin Van Persie

bohsman

Mitch Connor wrote: »

can you clear up what the story is regarding injuries?

Rosicky was picked earlier; and I would argue he is a poor pick based on the fact he is injured more than 50% of his premiership time. Others were arguing we are picking teams for a one off game so injury problems should be of no concern at all.

Whats the story?

I would say it comes into it, I would hope to keep my team together for more than one match. 50% of Rosickys premiership career means hes only played 44 games, he really hasnt proved himself as a star player over a sustained run in the Arsenal team while "sicknote" Darren Anderton managed over 300 games to really prove his worth to a Premiership draft team. Theres always going to be arguments over players like Torres, Anderton and Rosicky, Lloyd giving his opinion really isnt going to change anyones mind.

Mitch Connor

bohsman wrote: »

I would say it comes into it, I would hope to keep my team together for more than one match. 50% of Rosickys premiership career means hes only played 44 games, he really hasnt proved himself as a star player over a sustained run in the Arsenal team while "sicknote" Darren Anderton managed over 300 games to really prove his worth to a Premiership draft team. Theres always going to be arguments over players like Torres, Anderton and Rosicky, Lloyd giving his opinion really isnt going to change anyones mind.

but as he set up the game I would view him as some sort of deity.... or at least be an arbitrator when it comes to rulings such as this.

Iago

Mitch Connor wrote: »

but as he set up the game I would view him as some sort of deity.... or at least be an arbitrator when it comes to rulings such as this.

Problem with him being an arbitrator is that he has a team in the game, so his opinions will always be slightly biased even with the best of intentions.

Mitch Connor

well, we have to come up with a solution some how. Personally I don't see how injury problems can be discounted, but some disagree. It will be an important point when some teams are discussed.

Eirebear

I think the whole thing comes down to opinions and ideas mitch.

When the teams are discussed im fairly sure the likes of Anderton's injuries will come into some peoples minds.
I dont think there is any black and white ruling when it comes to opinions.

shoutman

I think their is one attacking midfielder who would be regarded as a good pick, and I'm slightly surprised he hasn;t been picked up yet, I've pretty much got my attacking options covered other then another winger...

titan18

shoutman wrote: »

I think their is one attacking midfielder who would be regarded as a good pick, and I'm slightly surprised he hasn;t been picked up yet, I've pretty much got my attacking options covered other then another winger...

ya, I think I know who you're on about. If its the same guy he should have been picked ahead of a lot of midfielders already picked and theres another midfielder in my mind who should be picked in the next round

shoutman

Well the attacking midfielder I had in mind definately has his faults and could well realise why people would be hesitant to pick him...

Melion

shoutman, shush!!!! I'm thinking of the same player and he's my next pick.

I was bored last night so started looking online, i came up without about 15-20 defenders who still haven't been picked. Shocked that some of them have slipped through the net.

Xavi6

We should have 'The Ones That Got Away' thread when it's done.

Melion

I GuanYin wrote: »

We should have 'The Ones That Got Away' thread when it's done.

I was thinking that. Would be funny to see some of the shíte players picked while quality players were left out

titan18

I GuanYin wrote: »

We should have 'The Ones That Got Away' thread when it's done.

I agree, it would be good

shoutman

Yea like Barnes in the fifth round , I was kind of just hoping that Mr Nice Guy would defend him to the hilt, Barnes being a liverpool legend and that, but I'm increasingly finding him as my main mistake in this draft.

I think other then Barnes I have a solid team. I know there was a lot of "ooh Young is an interesting pick" but I think he is one of the best players in my team. The kid is a legend.

LuckyLloyd

Just like intangible mental qualities (heart, professionalism, determination, etc) there can be no precise weighting of how injury problems should influence a final assessment of players and teams. But just like off the pitch behavior and on the pitch attitude are somewhat relevant in judging a player's worth - if they are made of glass should also be a concern.

While it is a once off game, like any once off game you would bank on the more consistently awesome players to show up for you on the day. So, the likes of Keane, Vieira, Scholes and Schmeicel should be considered in one way; the likes of Gerrard, Ronaldo and Le Tessier another way. And so on, etc, in terms of performance.

And then players like Anderton, Rednapp and Rosicky yet another way. Because the chances that they would hobble off at some point or suffer a decrease in performance because of a knock or a niggle is relatively higher.

Oscar is right in that people will have to reach their own opinions and I can't make voters view the information through a well defined set of criteria. But given that the core question at hand is 'impact on the premiership over an entire premiership career': it follows that constant trips to the treatment table will taint a player's legacy to some degree. And, as such, it should color our end assessment of them in some way.

Frisbee

I GuanYin wrote: »

We should have 'The Ones That Got Away' thread when it's done.

+1
Was thinking this myself.
My shortlist has a lot of players from the same position on it who I don't think will be picked

Xavi6

12 hours are up so I presume wardie can go?

eagle eye

Yeah, can someone pm wardie and get him going, I'm getting impatient, its been too long since my last pick.:D

Frisbee

eagle eye wrote: »

Yeah, can someone pm wardie and get him going, I'm getting impatient, its been too long since my last pick.:D

I sent him a PM there

wardie

Pick made, PM sent

Melion

Great choice, i was hoping he'd be forgotten about. Top of my shortlist of defenders.

titan18

Interesting pick. I wouldn't have considered him but it shows the level of talent at left back that he was picked. There is one other left back I can think of who I'd have picked ahead of him, but its a solid choice as long as you have a left midfielder capable of defending and who'll come back to cover. I don't know if Merson was that type of player as I was a bit young then, but if he is a hrad working midfield play, you made a good pick. If not, well it won't be too fun for you on that side of the pitch

astrofool

Is there any page listing the teams as they currently are?

shoutman

No astrofool at present there isn't, I suggested it a while back, but it got overlooked.

Would be handy I suppose, maybe if we could get it stickied as there would only be one post per person in it.

mayordenis

I have it listed for my own personal benefit
but i'm unsure wether to be nice or keep it for myself it's tactically convenient.

mayordenis

Frisbee - (GK)Peter Schmeichel (RB)Lee Dixon (LB)Nigel Winterburn (DC)Lucas Radebe (DC) (MR) (ML) (MC)Ray Parlour (MC) (FW)Dion Dublin (FW)Nicolas Anelka

Wreck - (GK) (RB) (LB)Gael Clichy (DC)Colin Hendry (DC) (MR)Freddie Ljungberg (ML)Damien Duff (MC)Roy Keane (MC) (FW)Ole Gunnar Solskjær (FW)

whatawaster - (GK) (RB) (LB) (DC) (DC) (MR)Steve McManaman (ML) (MC)Dietmar Hamman (MC)Thomas Gravesen (FW)Thierry Henry (FW)Robbie Keane

eagle eye - (GK)Neville Southall (RB) (LB) (DC)Nemanja Vidic (DC)Martin Laursen (MR) (ML) (MC)Claude Makelele (MC) (FW)Alan Shearer (FW)Peter Beardsley

Mr.Nice Guy - (GK)Edwin Van Der Sar (RB) (LB) (DC)Rio Ferdinand (DC) (MR) (ML)Arjen Robben (MC)Emmanuel Petit (MC)Michael Carrick (FW)Dennis Bergkamp (FW)

wardie - (GK)Nigel Martyn (RB) (LB)Silviniho (DC)Martin Keown (DC) (MR)Paul Merson (ML)Nolberto Solano (MC) (MC) (FW)Eric Cantona (FW)Dwight Yorke

gonzovision - (GK)Carlo Cuidicini (RB) (LB) (DC)William Gallas (DC)Micah Richards (MR) (ML)Stewart Downing (MC)Paul Ince (MC) (FW)Gianfranco Zola (FW)

Xavi6 - (GK)David Seaman (RB) (LB) (DC)Ricardo Carvalho (DC)Gareth Southgate (MR) (ML) (MC)Olivier Dacourt (MC)Eyal Berkovic (FW)Les Ferdinand (FW)Stan Collymore

Tauren/mitch - (GK) (RB) (LB) (DC)Kolo Toure (DC)Sylvan Distin (MR)Andrei Kanchelskis (ML)Mikel Arteta (MC)Frank Lampard (MC)Xabi Alonso (FW)R.V. Nistelrooy (FW)

titan18 - (GK)Jussi Jaaskelainen (RB) (LB)Dennis Irwin (DC)Steve Bould (DC) (MR) (ML) (MC)Paul Scholes (FW)Mark Viduka (FW)Paolo Di Canio (FW)Eidur Gudjohnson

janets on clubs - (GK)Mark Bosnich (RB) (LB)Steven Staunton (DC)Olaf Mellberg (DC) (MR) (ML)Robin Van Persie (MC)Gary Speed (MC) (FW)Robbie Fowler (FW)Fernando Torres

NekkidBibleMan - (GK) (RB) (LB) (DC)Frank LeBoeuf (DC) (MR)Juninho (ML)Tomas Rosicky (MC)Gary McAllister (MC)Javier Mascherano (FW)Matt le Tissier (FW)Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink

Necronomicon - (GK)David James (RB) (LB) (DC)Jaap Stam (DC)Henning Berg (MR)Sylvain Wiltord (ML)Ryan Giggs (MC) (MC) (FW)Gus Poyet (FW)Dimitar Berbatov

Eirebear - (GK)Antti Niemi (RB)Dan Petrescu (LB) (DC)Tony Adams (DC) (MR) (ML) (MC)Chris Waddle (MC)Tim Cahill (FW)Ian Wright (FW)Peter Crouch

Bubs101 - (GK) (RB)Gary Neville (LB) (DC)Ledley King (DC)Richard Dunne (MR)Cristiano Ronaldo (ML)Joe Cole (MC)Jay Jay Okocha (MC)Dennis Wise (FW) (FW)

Melion - (GK)Shay Given (RB) (LB) (DC)Sami Hyppia (DC) (MR)Darren Anderton (ML) (MC)Rob Lee (MC)Tugay (FW)Teddy Sheringham (FW)Yakubu

Iago - (GK)Pepe Reina (RB) (LB) (DC)Jamie Carragher (DC) (MR)David Beckham (ML) (MC)Nicky Butt (MC)George Boateng (FW)Andy Cole (FW)Emile Heskey

LuckyLloyd - (GK)Brad Friedal (RB) (LB) (DC)Marcel Desailly (DC) (MR)David Ginola (ML)Harry Kewell (MC)Patrick Vieira (MC) (FW)Chris Sutton (FW)

bohsman - (GK) (RB) (LB)Stuart Pearce (DC)John Terry (DC) (MR)Tony Yeboah (ML) (MC)Roberto Di Matteo (MC)Gilberto Silva (FW)Mark Hughes (FW)Louis Saha

ditpoker - (GK)Tim Flowers (RB) (LB)Ashley Cole (DC)Gary Pallister (DC)Steve Bruce (MR) (ML) (MC)David Batty (MC)Jamie Rednapp (FW)Darren Bent (FW)

shoutman - (GK) (RB) (LB)Graham Le Saux (DC)Paul McGrath (DC) (MR) (ML)Ashley Young (MC)Steven Gerrard (MC) (FW)Didier Drogba (FW)Carlos Tevez

Trippie - (GK)Petr Cech (RB)Gary Kelly (LB)John Arne Riise (DC) (DC) (MR) (ML)Matheu Flamini (MC)Cesc Fabregas (MC)John Barnes (FW)Wayne Rooney (FW)Kevin Phillips

mayordenis - (GK) (RB) (LB) (DC)Sol Campbell (DC)Daniel Agger (MR)Shaun Wright Phillips (ML)Robert Pires (MC)Gareth Barry (MC)Kevin Nolan (FW)Jurgen Klinnsman (FW)

RasTa - (GK) (RB) (LB)Patrice Evra (DC)Jonathan Woodgate (DC) (MR) (ML)Marc Overmars (MC)Michael Essien (MC)Michael Ballack (FW)Michael Owen (FW)Emmanuel Adeybayor

nobody say a word to me about editing/formation - I know they're not right I also do not care. I'm also not overly happy to share this I think it will **** me up.

Frisbee

mayordenis wrote: »

Frisbee - (GK)Peter Schmeichel (RB)Lee Dixon (LB)Nigel Winterburn (DC)Lucas Radebe (DC) (MR) (ML) (MC)Ray Parlour (MC) (FW)Dion Dublin (FW)Nicolas Anelka

Havent picked him

Iago

shoutman wrote: »

No astrofool at present there isn't, I suggested it a while back, but it got overlooked.

Would be handy I suppose, maybe if we could get it stickied as there would only be one post per person in it.

llyod threatened to do a mid pick analysis of all the squads to date but has been too busy/crafty to get it done so far...

eagle eye

Good pick there Wardie, I had him earmarked for later rounds, was sure he would be forgotten about.

Necronomicon

Fair play mayordenis. It shouldn't really put anyone at a disadvantage, most people post their current team at the end of the pick.

shoutman

I have John Barnes, not Trippie. But other then that its good to look at the teams.
Anybody think it would be a bit of fun to name people's teams who you think are currently the best? (doing so without giving any explanations, obviously some teams are hard to judge due to the fact they are missing people in key positions etc but it might be fun.)

eagle eye

shoutman wrote: »

Anybody think it would be a bit of fun to name people's teams who you think are currently the best? (doing so without giving any explanations, obviously some teams are hard to judge due to the fact they are missing people in key positions etc but it might be fun.)

I don't think there is any point in that at this stage. The next few picks is where you might see a weakness in teams. The whole point of this is to pick a full team.

shoutman

Yes but there are still some teams who at present look, to me anyway, like they have the best players so far.

Mr.Nice Guy

Pick made. Pleased to get him. I didn't PM eagle eye as I believe he's about to pick now.

mayordenis

Necronomicon wrote: »

Fair play mayordenis. It shouldn't really put anyone at a disadvantage, most people post their current team at the end of the pick.

not so much a disadvantage but I have been looking at the amount of people who still need central defenders, it's on of the reasons that I think will make my agger choice less strange in the end.

eagle eye

Pick made and pm sent. Interested in comments on my latest pick.

Bubs101

2 good solid picks there. I had kind of hoped that Defoe would be completely forgotten about but alas not. Great poacher although the combination of him and Bergkamp could be a little lightweight. Had completely forgotten about townsend but he is a good distributor of the ball which in my search I have decided is a rare quality for a not attacking midfielder in the Premiership.

I loved the way that after the intensive Townsend write up there was the line "no best of Andy Townsend on youtube". Made me laugh anyway

mayordenis

can't argue with either of those picks, defoe is a really top striker and would no doubt do a job at any of the top sides, or well any side for that matter.

whatawaster

Pick made, PM Sent

Iago

even allowing for the abrupt end to his career I think Rob Jones is a great pick at this point. Was on my list from day 1 but each round I felt I'd get one more round without anyone picking him up, guess I was wrong this time