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However,I think that having Beckham and him on one side is not good.Beckham, although a terrific crosser of the ball,he never had strong the ability to beat players.He had the room to cross due to the passing of Scholes who was able to get him into space and Gary Neville running down the side.With Watson,he will not be able to get up and support Beckham, and if Becham is neutralised, your whole team is effectively neutralised as your forwards seem to be built around his ability to cross
The thing about Beckham is that he really doesn't need that much space to cross the ball. In fact if you watch highlight reels of him over the years and compare them to some of the problems United had after he left you'll see very quickly that Beckhams ability to deliver a ball from anywhere on a pitch is what makes him stand out. When he left United the players available didn't have that confidence or ability and as a result the whole team had to adapt. Where Beckham could get a ball 40 yards out on the right touchline and pretty much put it in a 2 yard square part of the oppositions box, the likes of Giggs, Ronaldo et al just couldn't deliver it.
They held onto the ball longer, tried to get closer to the byline and tended to run into 2-3 defenders or give the opposition time to get back in numbers. Butt and Boateng will break up the play and give the ball to Beckham, whether he's 25 yards out or 50 yards out he'll be able to pick a ball for Heskey to flick on/hold up, or a ball over the top for Cole to exploit the space behind a defence.
Watson will give Beckham the freedom to concentrate on the attacking part of his game, knowing that the right hand side is being well marshalled. imho
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The thing about Beckham is that he really doesn't need that much space to cross the ball. In fact if you watch highlight reels of him over the years and compare them to some of the problems United had after he left you'll see very quickly that Beckhams ability to deliver a ball from anywhere on a pitch is what makes him stand out. When he left United the players available didn't have that confidence or ability and as a result the whole team had to adapt. Where Beckham could get a ball 40 yards out on the right touchline and pretty much put it in a 2 yard square part of the oppositions box, the likes of Giggs, Ronaldo et al just couldn't deliver it.
They held onto the ball longer, tried to get closer to the byline and tended to run into 2-3 defenders or give the opposition time to get back in numbers. Butt and Boateng will break up the play and give the ball to Beckham, whether he's 25 yards out or 50 yards out he'll be able to pick a ball for Heskey to flick on/hold up, or a ball over the top for Cole to exploit the space behind a defence.
Watson will give Beckham the freedom to concentrate on the attacking part of his game, knowing that the right hand side is being well marshalled. imho
I felt that Beckham was at his most effective when someone put the ball in behind the defenders, for him to run on to it and whip the ball into box where Van Nistelrooy,Sheringham,Yorke,Cole etc were there to put the ball into the net.Just looking at your team,I feel that if Beckham was neutralised, you're relying on Malbranque to win you the game.With Heskey, you might get be able to have Beckham pass the ball in from 40 yards and hope Heskey gets the flick on to Cole,or Malbranque might be up there, if he's bothered.
Otherwise you're probably going to get a 0-0 draw, as it is going to be very hard for someone to score on you.0 -
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LuckyLloyd wrote: »Titan makes a good point I think. An other way of looking at it is that Beckham will arguably be the best player picked in his position defensively - so you could have looked to take the most attacking fullback available.
However, in terms of individual value relative to best player available at this point - Watson is a super pick imo. If he had escaped the net of this draft he was going to be near the top of my "best players forgotten about list".
As you point out above, I don't think there are any better right backs left to be picked, and a number of those already picked would be lesser players than Watson imo. I see the point Titan and yourself are making, but as a rebuttal I still say that of all the players in the draft Beckham requires the least amount of space to deliver a ball, and is probably best positioned to deliver that ball from anywhere on the pitch. I'd also disagree that if Beckham is neutralised then so is my team, although he is definitely a key player given my line-up.
To emphasise my first point above here's a youtube collection of some of Beckhams finest assists, you'll note that the majority of them are 25yards+ out from goal, as well as delivered from in front of the back line (and sometimes midfield) rather than behind them. There are a number that rely on playing a one two to get past a player, but almost uniformly they are played with either a striker or centre midfield player (in a number of cases it's Butt or Cole
) and Gary Neville is conspicious by his absence in almost all cases!!
edit: youtube linking borked? nope just linked wrong...0 -
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Mitch Connor wrote: »didn't realise there was a christmas clock... oh well. no harm done.
Anyway, pick made and PM sent - clock is ticking again so Xavi6 has 12 hours to make his pick - mentioned this in the PM.
Well there was no clock Christmas Eve and Christmas day. But given that there is a full schedule of football on today I figure many people involved in this thread are likely to log on for a few minutes at some point. Though maybe not. Put it this way, if Xavi doesn't log on in the next 12 hours lets think about it before we skip him.
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I'd be shocked if he missed 12 minutes.:)LuckyLloyd wrote: »Well there was no clock Christmas Eve and Christmas day. But given that there is a full schedule of football on today I figure many people involved in this thread are likely to log on for a few minutes at some point. Though maybe not. Put it this way, if Xavi doesn't log on in the next 12 hours lets think about it before we skip him.
Cheers folks, and a Happy Christmas to ye all!!
And Happy Christimas to everyone as well.0 -
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Basically three players have held the position down during our time in the Premiership, but I know who you are thinking about.Necronomicon wrote: »Funnily enough I'd forgotten all about Wilcox, but I've had another Blackburn player from the same era in mind that I'm surprised is still available. Good shout. 0 -
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Argh I can't believe Wilcox is gone, had him in mind since my last pick. My own fault, should have logged in at some stage over the last few days to check on the progression, apologies for the delay. Back in work today, so once I get through a few bits and pieces I'll post up my pick and the write-ups I've yet to do.Zenden's a decent pick but there's still one left mid who should be well gone.
Fell free to pm me!
Edit: Have made a (possibly rash) quick pick as I don't want to miss out again. Write ups to follow. Really liking my team now, just one final piece of the puzzle missing.0 -
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