Does the GAA poach soccer stars?

micks

Benedict XVI wrote: »

sources please ?

http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/grants_funding/default.htm

You add up the totals and see how they compare?

ibh

The school i went to played Soccer, GAA and Rugby same as pretty much all the schools in Dundalk.
We were always encouraged to play all the sports. I played all in school and also each one of them for an outside team. The only one of these outside teams to complain about me playing other sports was my GAA club. I think because it was a small rural club they had an old fashioned notion that sports couldn't be mixed.

I have a lot of friends in the North who are playing GAA at a high level and have never played in an organised game of Soccer or Rugby, because it would be frowned upon because they should be playing GAA only. That's a bit sad really, because they have kept these guys away from the experience of playing other sports.

OhNoYouDidn't

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

You see, GAA clubs actually pay and fund for their own grounds...

More grants than every other sport combined despite having 15% of participation and you have the balls to state that?

cournioni

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

More grants than every other sport combined despite having 15% of participation and you have the balls to state that?

Really? How much are the government putting into Lansdowne? One third of the cost is it? :rolleyes:

OhNoYouDidn't

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Really? How much are the government putting into Lansdowne? One third of the cost is it? :rolleyes:

And the difference is we are grateful for it. As are Rovers to the council.

The point is I will not be called a freeloader by anyone involved in the Gah. You even tried to get the state to pay your players ffs.

cournioni

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

And the difference is we are grateful for it. As are Rovers to the council.

The point is I will not be called a freeloader by anyone involved in the Gah. You even tried to get the state to pay your players ffs.

I did, did I? I am one of the players and I am also one of the ones against players being payed to play.

Now my point is... your club fcuked up and got bailed out, twice.

micks

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Really? How much are the government putting into Lansdowne? One third of the cost is it? :rolleyes:

Fair point casue they put nothing into the re-development of Croke Park did they ?

cournioni

micks wrote: »

Fair point casue they put nothing into the re-development of Croke Park did they ?

It got grants like any other, apart from Lansdowne of course which was a HUGE government grant (33% of the cost).

micks

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

It got grants like any other, apart from Lansdowne of course which was a HUGE government grant (33% of the cost).

Sports Capital grants are normally 66% approx of total so you're saying its actually less than normal percantage allocated to Landsdowne Rd - that's a disgrace.
What percentage of Croke Park's cost came from the government?

dfx-

Rebel, that I quoted what TD dared to say in a High Court of this country doesn't make Des' post less valid. Do we have to quote that putrid, despicable sentence every time we criticise them to validate it?

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

It got grants like any other, apart from Lansdowne of course which was a HUGE government grant (33% of the cost).

Grants like any other? €268.5m since 1998.

http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1908

Statement by John O'Donoghue, T.D.,
Minister for Arts, Sport and Tourism,
regarding Government funding received by the GAA

O'Donoghue stresses the high level of Government support for the GAA

I am surprised and somewhat disappointed by the misleading and inaccurate statements being given to the media by some GAA sources on the level of Government Support for the GAA as reported in today's Irish Star newspaper.


It is time that the facts were put on the record.

For Instance, the Government has allocated almost €114 million towards the redevelopment of Croke Park, which is considerably more than the €19 million, being portrayed as fact by these anonymous sources within the organisation.


The fact is that since 1998 alone, this Government has provided over €268.5 million towards the development of facilities for all levels of gaelic games in cities, towns and parishes throughout the country. This funding has been warmly welcomed by hard-working GAA people as being of enormous benefit in supporting the fund raising and voluntary effort locally to provide much needed, high quality facilities for gaelic games in every corner of the country.


And our support is not confined to facilities alone. Between 2001 and 2006 the Government provided special funding of almost €13 million to assist the GAA in increasing participation at underage level, supporting the development of hurling in non-traditional areas and helping the Dublin County Board in its efforts in promoting gaelic games.


In view of this unprecedented level of Government financial support for the GAA and the spirit of fairness and generosity, which should characterise sport in all its forms, it is a source of great disappointment to all genuine sports people that the stadium in Tallaght is being delayed by the action being taken by a GAA club


I also find it quite extraordinary that the GAA should wish to play gaelic games in a soccer ground given their outright opposition to soccer being played in their own grounds.


(ENDS)

A GAA man from a GAA county prepared to stand up and be counted when he was needed.

A comparison? eL clubs since 1998 have got €20.2m. Only €240m odd less

http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1905

Those speeches are a wealth of information

bobbysands81

Dub13 wrote: »

My own experience on this is what turned me off the GAA for good I despise them now.

Back in the early 90s I was about 11/12 and played for my local GAA team and my local Soccer club.There was no conflict of interest as such with GAA games on a Sat and soccer game on a Sun (it could have been the other way around but they were on diffrent days) training was also on different days.Loads of lads were in the same boat.

One day the GAA club got us together and told us we could not continue playing both and we had to pick one.I was a ok Soccer player but much much better at GAA so as young lads do I picked the one I was best at.And did not play a competitive soccer match again on till I was in my 20s.

I did not realize what the GAA lads did ontill I was bout 16/17 and I resent them for it ever since.I have not been to a GAA game for maybe ten years and I will not return.They broke up a very good and promising soccer team and they did it on purpose,a couple of the lads from that team went on to play pro football some in the UK and are still playing pro to this day.

The exact same thing happens in soccer as well.

I played schoolboy soccer in the top divisions and we were not "allowed" play other sports either. I don't put it down to bigotry though, I put it down to a team wanting to be the very best it can be.

bobbysands81

dfx- wrote: »

Rebel, that I quoted what TD dared to say in a High Court of this country doesn't make Des' post less valid. Do we have to quote that putrid, despicable sentence every time we criticise them to validate it?



Grants like any other? €268.5m since 1998.

http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1908



Imagine that, a GAA man from a GAA county prepared to stand up and be counted when he was needed.

Will the GAA get into Tallaght minister? "Not if I had all the gold in South Africa." :pac:

A comparison? eL clubs since 1998 have got €20.2m. Only €240m odd less

http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1905

Those speeches are a wealth of information

Come on, if you're going to use figures then use them correctly.

Since 1998 Eircom clubs have gotten €20.2m

Since 1998 GAA clubs have received €268.5m.

There are over 2,500 GAA clubs in Ireland. How many Eircom League clubs are there?

Does your figure of €20.2m include money given for the redevelopment of Lansdowne Road? No.

Does the figure of €268.5m include money given for the redevelopment of Croke Park? Yes.

You're not comparing like with like.

It is open for any and every club in any sport in this country to apply to the Govt for funding.

OhNoYouDidn't

bobbysands81 wrote: »

It is open for any and every club in any sport in this country to apply to the Govt for funding.

Exactly - although historically the Gah have done disproportionatly well. There are various reasons for this, but per player the Gah's funding dwarfs other games. And thats before we take into account the fact your players will be paid by the taxpayer.

The point here is that someone tried to deny that the Gah tap this well and do it 'all themselves'. Clearly not true and a red rag on this forum.

dfx-

Or the freezing of olympic funds, but at least the GAA grants got through

http://www.independent.ie/sport/gaelic-football/gaa-grant-set-to-cost-other-irish-sports-dear-1252266.html

GAELIC players look set to get their government grants quicker than they expected in a big pre-Christmas boost but several other Irish sporting bodies are muttering 'bah humbug' after discovering their grant aid in 2008 is being frozen.

With the Beijing Games just eight months away, many sports expected their government funding next year to be improved, as is the norm in an Olympic year.

But despite an extra allocation of €3.3m to the Irish Sports Council (ISC) in the recent Budget, none of it is going to fund Irish international sport and it has been set aside for the new GAA players grant scheme.

Ireland's traditionally successful Olympic sports like athletics, rowing, boxing and cycling have been forewarned that their 2007 'high performance' budgets will not be improved in the 2008 allocations.

The Sports Council says this is because of the economic climate and a slow-down in public funding.

But there is serious disquiet among other sports that they are not getting their usual increase in an Olympic year while, at the same time, €3.5m has been found to placate the GAA and players.

Athletics Ireland's Olympic team manager Patsy McGonagle said: "My understanding is that athletics will only get the same as last year -- maybe marginally less -- because the grants to GAA players will come out of the same 'high performance' pool.

"We are not the only ones going to be affected," he added. "The whole international dimension is going to be affected by the grants to GAA players."

Neither the GAA or GPA expected their new grant scheme to be up and running until the 2009 Championship but it emerged yesterday that the Sports Council hope to have it up and running for the coming Championship.

It's a wonder anyone bothered to represent us in Beijing..

monkey9

micks wrote: »

Define poach ?

1. to take (game or fish) illegally by hunting or fishing in an area without the owner's permission.
2. to take (an idea, work, etc belonging to somebody else) and use it to one's own advantage.
3. to entice (an employee working for another company) to come and work for one.
4. to cook (e.g. fish or an egg) in a simmering liquid, esp milk, water, or stock

bobbysands81

dfx- wrote: »

Rebel, that I quoted what TD dared to say in a High Court of this country doesn't make Des' post less valid. Do we have to quote that putrid, despicable sentence every time we criticise them to validate it?



Grants like any other? €268.5m since 1998.

http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1908



A GAA man from a GAA county prepared to stand up and be counted when he was needed.

A comparison? eL clubs since 1998 have got €20.2m. Only €240m odd less

http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/publications/release.asp?ID=1905

Those speeches are a wealth of information

Just to be clear, you're comparing grants received by the GAA to grants received by LoI clubs and claiming that GAA teams are being favoured over LoI.

However, a look at the figures that you've provided shows that on average each LoI team has received €918,181 since 1998 yet on average each GAA club has received €107,400 since 1998... nearly 9 times less!

To skew the figures even more (some of) the redevelopment of Croke Park is included in the above figures. The redevelopment of Lansdowne Road is not included in the above figures thus making the difference is even more striking.

You disproved your own argument, even more remarkable is that you got thanks from someone!!!

bobbysands81

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

Exactly - although historically the Gah have done disproportionatly well. There are various reasons for this, but per player the Gah's funding dwarfs other games. And thats before we take into account the fact your players will be paid by the taxpayer.

The point here is that someone tried to deny that the Gah tap this well and do it 'all themselves'. Clearly not true and a red rag on this forum.

The GAA are incredibly successful at receiving funding and I have pointed out why to you many times before (no way am I getting into this with you on here as well though!!!:D).

GAA clubs, especially in rural areas, tend to be the hub of the community. They also tend to cater for a multitude of sports so although it might be that such and such GAA club got funding for a new clubhouse you can be sure that sports such as, inter alia, soccer, badminton, basketball swimming etc... all benefit from it as well as a host of other community groups such as Youth Clubs, Scouts, Bridge Clubs etc... who would all make representations on behalf of the GAA club which will be included in their submission for the grant.

The grant goes down on paper as a grant to the GAA but really it's a grant to the entire community.

OhNoYouDidn't

bobbysands81 wrote: »

The GAA are incredibly successful at receiving funding and I have pointed out why to you many times before (no way am I getting into this with you on here as well though!!!:D).

GAA clubs, especially in rural areas, tend to be the hub of the community. They also tend to cater for a multitude of sports so although it might be that such and such GAA club got funding for a new clubhouse you can be sure that sports such as, inter alia, soccer, badminton, basketball swimming etc... all benefit from it as well as a host of other community groups such as Youth Clubs, Scouts, Bridge Clubs etc... who would all make representations on behalf of the GAA club which will be included in their submission for the grant.

The grant goes down on paper as a grant to the GAA but really it's a grant to the entire community.

What DFX is cruedly trying to get at is that the Gah with 320,000 players in all 5 codes gets dramatically more grants than football with its 450,000 players, and thats before 5 or 7 a side is included, and coupled with the taxpayer paying your players is not an acceptible use if state funding - although as the FAI under Delaney is much more organised at grass roots level, that balance is shifting.

Find me one example of a football, badminton, basketball or swimming club who applied for grants on behalf of their neighbouring Gah club.

Rule 42? Or is that being airbrushed out here?

I'm not disputing the Gah is a vital part of many communituties, but to say they cater for non-Gah sports is straight down the line bull.

bobbysands81

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

I'm not disputing the Gah is a vital part of many communituties, but to say they cater for non-Gah sports is straight down the line bull.

but the reality is they do.

My local GAA club has basketball, hockey, soccer, badminton etc... clubs use its facilities all year round. In all intensive purposes it is a community centre for the area, a cheap one that the govt doesn't have to pay the entire Capital and Revenue costs for building and running it, they just give a grant and don't worry about any year on year revenue implications.

It is standard practice for local clubs to rally together to back each other when looking for funding.

When my local soccer club went looking for a Govt grant the same GAA club made representations to the Min for Sport backing them - this is standard practice mate.

OhNoYouDidn't

bobbysands81 wrote: »

but the reality is they do.

My local GAA club has basketball, hockey, soccer, badminton etc... clubs use its facilities all year round. In all intensive purposes it is a community centre for the area, a cheap one that the govt doesn't have to pay the entire Capital and Revenue costs for building and running it, they just give a grant and don't worry about any year on year revenue implications.

It is standard practice for local clubs to rally together to back each other when looking for funding.

When my local soccer club went looking for a Govt grant the same GAA club made representations to the Min for Sport backing them - this is standard practice mate.

My hole its standard. You claim your club does all this, but they are in direct violation of the rules. Unless its Cuala, which is a unique situation and in fact its the football club thats technically hosting other sports.

Back up your claim that various sports go in and help get the Gah capital grants.

ibh

bobbysands81 wrote: »

but the reality is they do.

My local GAA club has basketball, hockey, soccer, badminton etc... clubs use its facilities all year round. In all intensive purposes it is a community centre for the area, a cheap one that the govt doesn't have to pay the entire Capital and Revenue costs for building and running it, they just give a grant and don't worry about any year on year revenue implications.

It is standard practice for local clubs to rally together to back each other when looking for funding.

When my local soccer club went looking for a Govt grant the same GAA club made representations to the Min for Sport backing them - this is standard practice mate.

Never heard of a GAA club allowing their facilities to be used for Soccer. Our GAA club is as rural as they come and the only other sport they allow is indoor bowls for the old timers.

It would be a good idea, but I know in my club it wouldn’t happen.

bobbysands81

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

My hole its standard. You claim your club does all this, but they are in direct violation of the rules. Unless its Cuala, which is a unique situation and in fact its the football club thats technically hosting other sports.

Back up your claim that various sports go in and help get the Gah capital grants.

It is standard, it's even brought up on in the relevant Govt Guidelines relating to Sports Capital grants.

http://www.arts-sport-tourism.gov.ie/pdfs/sports%20capital%20programme%20review/scprogramme08/scguidelines08.pdf

Page 7 I think states:

"You should also provide evidence with your application of any groups that will commit to using your facility if it is provided. This shall be done by way of current letters of support from local groups that will use your proposed facility"

There is also further reference to consulting local groups.

It also states that applications will be looked upon more favourable where schoolkids are allowed use them and where a wide range of sports are involved. If the facilities you are looking for are already in the area then you're not considered a priority... ergo if you claim that the GAA gets the lions share of money they obviously they fulfill these criteria thus proving that a wide range of sports are played in GAA clubs.

By the way a quick e-mail from yourself to the Department of Arts, Sports and Tourism will answer your question.

cournioni

Those soccer goals on my local GAA pitch must be a mirage then so. Funny that... I've never seen a mirage during snow.

bobbysands81

OhNoYouDidn't wrote: »

You claim your club does all this, but they are in direct violation of the rules.

I don't merely claim it, it does.

Here's the link to my GAA club's website, click on it and go down to facilities on the right hand side.

www.naomholaf.com

OhNoYouDidn't

PORNAPSTER wrote: »

Those soccer goals on my local GAA pitch must be a mirage then so. Funny that... I've never seen a mirage during snow.

are you sure that you are not looking at a council pitch with Gah and football pitches?