Skerries - Planning Application by Supervalu

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Planning application by SuperValu for development of premises at Church Street, Skerries.

Full Development Description
Demolish Nos 52, 53, 54A, 55, 56, 57A & 58 Church Street with the retention of the brick facade at No. 55 Church Street (situated in an Architectural Conservation Area) and to construct a mixed retail & residential development comprising a two-level under ground car park with 360 car spaces, 100 bicycle spaces, storage & plant with access from Tennis Court Lane; ground floor retail along with pedestrian mall, staff accommodation, ESB sub-station, plant & vehicle delivery area to Tennis Court Lane comprising 5106 square metres. The residential areas will comprise 2 floors of apartments over retail from No. 54 to 58 Church Street (3 stories in total) rising to 3 floors on the corner at 52-53 Church Street for a total of 4 stories; 2 floors of apartments to Church Street (lane) and Tennis Court Lane (south) (3 stories in total) rising to 4 stories at the south corner, and 3 floors of apartments on Tennis Court Lane (west) for a total of 4 stories. A first floor landscaped internal courtyard features a stand-alone residential block of 3 floors (a total of 4 stories). The residential component will comprise 66 apartments (15 one-beds, 44 two-beds and 7 three-beds). External finishes to elevations to be natural slate roofs to the apartments, all with self-coloured render, balconies, and feature areas of natural stone with limited areas of curtain wall glazing.

The documents can be seen here:

http://planning.fingalcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=F08A/1141&backURL=<a href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=327946>Search Criteria</a> > <a href='wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=333818&StartIndex=1&SortOrder=rgndat,apnid&DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES&BackURL=<a href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=327946>Search Criteria</a>'>Search Results</a

The deadline for making submissions to Fingal County Council is 27th Oct. A fee of €20 applies. For more details about objecting, click here -
http://www.fingalcoco.ie/Planning/PlanningApplications/ObjectionsSubmissions/

Bluetonic

Why would you anyone want to object to it?

meditraitor

This is a great idea:D, a 5106 sq m, 4 story retail/residential developement right in the heart of skerries. I wish I had enough money to apply for and build another 3 or 4 such monstrosities. And maybe a halting sight just for good measure!
Then we will see jusst how many tidy towns the backstards win

tuxa

Not sure if it is such a great idea.

All those apartments... It will be history happening all over again: Small, bad design, too many all together, etc...

I have nothing against making the Supervalue better shop or even bit bigger but once you add such a big number of apartment all together is a different story. And Skerries Town centre is so cute the way it is... It will change Skerries forever...All those lovelly little cottages...

Skerries is a very cute, quiet and quaint place. I think there are few places like Skerries around Dublin.
I just moved to Skerries 2 years ago and I love it the way it is. I wish it could stay like this for my kids to enjoy it as well.


I don't like those greedy developers who just think about making their millions not taking in consideration what their action will cost to the local people in a long term.
I think If Local people wants to keep skerries the way it is they must hurry up and stand for what they believe. [/FONT][/COLOR]

Ireland has been hurt a lot fwith poor house planning. Sad but true.

That is my opinion.

DubArk

Bluetonic wrote: »

Why would you anyone want to object to it?

Well as a resident of Skerries I for one am not happy about this monstrosity been built straight smack in the middle of the town… He had terrible problems getting planning permission for this in the middle of the Celtic Tiger but Fingal are so desperate for revenue he’ll get it NO PROBLEM this time!! Watch this space....

There’s loads of land outside the centre of the town for such developments no need to cram up the place with traffic. All those 400 parking spaces have to be filled so can you imagine the traffic levels on Church Street which was and still is mainly a residential area. What’s with the apartments when we can’t move anything in the country at the moment?? GREED again!!

It's another short sighted building carbuncle thrown into what I consider is a very beautiful town. Time will tell!



Lack of vision! :rolleyes:

tuxa

I will post a note on the train station bulletim board about this and let more people to aware what is happening in Skerries.
I just found out yesterday.
This project should not go ahead.
Skerries is too precious to be lost in the hands of greedy developers.
All I can say is spread the word and email Fingal Co. Co.

DubArk

tuxa wrote: »

I will post a note on the train station bulletim board about this and let more people to aware what is happening in Skerries.
I just found out yesterday.
This project should not go ahead.
Skerries is too precious to be lost in the hands of greedy developers.
All I can say is spread the word and email Fingal Co. Co.

Fingal Co. Co dont except Emails it'll cost you €20 if you want to complain in writing only!! Their a really bad council I complained about a development and paid the €20 and guess what the replies to mr a week after the place opened!! Their a joke! :mad:

But yes, best try every avenue, your right!

Bluetonic

I think it is an excellent idea to contact Fingal Conty County Council over this development.

For far too long we've witnessed urban sprawl in our towns and it's finally nice to see some high density development which will allow people to live in the heart of the town and experience town living. Look at the new housing developments in Skerries which are built so far from the town center, they add nothing to the town except to spread it out along any available land where people are forced to use their cars to get a pint of milk or a slice pan.

It will be great to see the Skerries skyline embrace the 21st century, whilst making proper use of this space in the town. Well done Luke Moriarty for your foresight.

This is going to be 20 euro well spent.

I urge you all to contact Fingal County Council with a submission in support of this development.

Fingleberries

Does anyone else worry that it might not keep with look and feel of the rest of the town, and then be left empty for most of a year?

For example, see a similar expansion in Balbriggan SuperValu.
- More shop space in SuperValu: check.
- More retail outlets outside: check
- Dozens of Apartments: check
- All new retail outlets empty: check
- All apartments empty: check

- Waste of time: check
- Ugly building not in keeping with the rest of the town (or the rest of Super Valu for that matter): check.

DubArk

Bluetonic wrote: »

I think it is an excellent idea to contact Fingal Conty County Council over this development.

For far too long we've witnessed urban sprawl in our towns and it's finally nice to see some high density development which will allow people to live in the heart of the town and experience town living. Look at the new housing developments in Skerries which are built so far from the town center, they add nothing to the town except to spread it out along any available land where people are forced to use their cars to get a pint of milk or a slice pan.

It will be great to see the Skerries skyline embrace the 21st century, whilst making proper use of this space in the town. Well done Luke Moriarty for your foresight.

This is going to be 20 euro well spent.

I urge you all to contact Fingal County Council with a submission in support of this development.

Surprise surprise!! :rolleyes:

Easily knowing you know absolutely nothing about Skerries!
It is a residential area already, that’s very well developed and lived in!
By us the residence.


One shop everyone now needs to live around it?? :D

I’d stick to your neck of the woods if I was you rather then trying to drag Skerries down to your expectations.

Well done Luke Moriarty for your foresight, there’s one born everyday!

Bluetonic

DubArk wrote: »

Easily knowing you know absolutely nothing about Skerries!

Easily knowing you know absolutely nothing about me with an ill informed comment like that :rolleyes:

I think my post has done everything I wanted it to do.

DubArk

Bluetonic wrote: »

Easily knowing you know absolutely nothing about me with an ill informed comment like that :rolleyes:

I think my post has done everything I wanted it to do.

I think I know you well my friend

Surprise surprise!!

Chinafoot

DubArk and Bluetonic, feel free to continue your squabble via PM.

Any more personal crap will result in a ban.

Back on topic.

meditraitor

Does anyone have a architectural representation of the proposed developement when completed? I cant imagine something along the lines of SValu balbriggan in the heart of Skerries.

Bluetonic? being an employee of the developer and very good at posting other such representations for major north dublin developments I would have thought you could get your hands on one.

Bluetonic

meditraitor wrote: »

Bluetonic? being an employee of the developer and very good at posting other such representations for major north dublin developments I would have thought you could get your hands on one.

Could you kindly explain to me how you think I'm an employee of the developer?

I await your response with egger anticipation, and your refraction with bathed breath.

meditraitor

Bluetonic wrote: »

Could you kindly explain to me how you think I'm an employee of the developer?

I await your response with egger anticipation, and your refraction with bathed breath.

reply denied due to lack of respect for your pony word play ourlad. although I see you didnt deny it:cool: sofism wasnt always your strong suit but I see you have been practising. still trying to be a politician?

Anyway back to the point of this thread, can you get us a architectural plan/representation of said development or not?

DubArk

meditraitor wrote: »

reply denied due to lack of respect for your pony word play ourlad. although I see you didnt deny it:cool: sofism wasnt always your strong suit but I see you have been practising. still trying to be a politician?

Anyway back to the point of this thread, can you get us a architectural plan/representation of said development or not?

You'll find the link in the OP's opening thread.

meditraitor

DubArk wrote: »

You'll find the link in the OP's opening thread.

I only see the plans, Id be more interested in seeing how it might look when completed, a representation. It might be nice. From what Ive seen of Moriarty's other properties he does a good job but I cannot see something like SValu baile brigin fitting into the heart of Skerries. The residents of Skerries have a bit more clout than balbriggan(the town council are a useless shower) so Id say he will be made jump through a few hoops before he starts building what would have to be a very aesteticaly pleasing structure.

One thing that comes to mind is the infrastructure in old skerries, an increase in traffic would almost grind the town to a stop.

DubArk

meditraitor wrote: »

I only see the plans, Id be more interested in seeing how it might look when completed, a representation. It might be nice. From what Ive seen of Moriarty's other properties he does a good job but I cannot see something like SValu baile brigin fitting into the heart of Skerries. The residents of Skerries have a bit more clout than balbriggan(the town council are a useless shower) so Id say he will be made jump through a few hoops before he starts building what would have to be a very aesteticaly pleasing structure.

One thing that comes to mind is the infrastructure in old skerries, an increase in traffic would almost grind the town to a stop.

There is an artist’s elevation of the front of the development in there?! I'm sure i was looking at it last week.

I agree totally that the traffic in the old part of the town will come to a grinding halt if this is given the go ahead. I was talking to a lot of people over the bank holiday on the subject (People who live close to Church St or on Church St) and there’s a lot of objection to it. They’re forming a residential group to fight this all the way.

See Skerries is a town that you’d have to travel to, not really pass through to support this kind of development and they have just built a small outlet centre up in Kelly’s Bay so why is it so necessary to build a shopping mall in the middle of the old town. I remember in his original plans that he wanted to develop a hotel and that is needed as there is none of any quality anywhere in the town. There’s no place to have weddings etc … but he’s now opted for the apartments in the new plans and shopping Mall?? He wants to call it the, 'neighbourhood centre’


As well it’s supposed to be a conservation area so I’m sure An Bord Pleanála may have something to say on the subject if Fingal does give him the go ahead.

DubArk

Try this Link http://documents.fingalcoco.ie/AnitePublicDocs/00336311.pdf

Chinafoot

meditraitor wrote: »

reply denied due to lack of respect for your pony word play ourlad. although I see you didnt deny it:cool: sofism wasnt always your strong suit but I see you have been practising. still trying to be a politician?

Where anyone on this forum works is of no concern of yours. That kind of antagonising rubbish isn't welcome so I suggest you pack it in.

meditraitor wrote: »

Anyway back to the point of this thread, can you get us a architectural plan/representation of said development or not?

Ya know, you're more than welcome to actually use your intiative and search the internet for these things yourself. Nobody is obliged to provide anything for you here.



DubArk: Let's not go suggesting anything that can't be substantiated and could get boards in a lot of trouble.

cheridere

Chinafoot wrote: »

Where anyone on this forum works is of no concern of yours. That kind of antagonising rubbish isn't welcome so I suggest you pack it in.

He wont answer but I will, If Blue's trolling is somewhat influenced by his present employer everyone has a right to know in a thread related to said employer and you continually ignoring his antagonist trollish comments only makes matters worse.

Its not the first time either and some of us are sick of it.

tuxa

Deadline for objection has passed last Monday 27th.
I photocopied few flyers and placed them on noticedboard in Skerries.
It seems everyone I spoke to had no clue about this development.
I will keep spreading the news.
Sad to see all this happening in Skerries. It shouldn't...
Just hope Fingal Co. Co. rejects. Doubt it... They are thirsty for money at the moment.
I guess if we all do our part a message will be send.
T

DubArk

tuxa wrote: »

Deadline for objection has passed last Monday 27th.
I photocopied few flyers and placed them on noticedboard in Skerries.
It seems everyone I spoke to had no clue about this development.
I will keep spreading the news.
Sad to see all this happening in Skerries. It shouldn't...
Just hope Fingal Co. Co. rejects. Doubt it... They are thirsty for money at the moment.
I guess if we all do our part a message will be send.
T

I have already paid my €20 they should post up our objections very soon.:)

But to what avail!?

cheridere

Im out of here all, chinafoot and Blue can run this forum into the ground for all I care.

Im sure they will be laughing their heads of next time they meet for drinks.

So thanks to all who have made this forum enjoyable and fuck you chinafoot and bluetonic fo being small minded and cuntish

dubmick

lol

why are the u's in bold?

Chinafoot

cheridere wrote: »

So thanks to all who have made this forum enjoyable and fuck you chinafoot and bluetonic fo being small minded and cuntish

Right, I'm sure it will come as no surprise to anyone that cheridere is banned.

I would also like to address her comments that myself and bluetonic are in league of some sort. While Balbriggan is a small town and yes I do know who Bluetonic is in "real life", we do not meet for drinks or socialise in anyway.

Not that its anyone's business but I don't live in Balbriggan anymore! I moved into the city centre over a year ago and I'm not a fan of the nightlife in the town, so no, we don't meet up to talk about things that happen on a message board.

Where Bluetonic works is of no concern to anyone, and I while I hate to disappoint people's theory that he's a Moriarty stooge, he's not. Bluetonic has been helpful in posting planning permissions that can be found by any of us here. There is no underhanded tactics going on here. I fail to see what could be achieved on a forum like this if he was working for Moriarty.

I have been open about where I work but I would never expect anyone here to disclose that type of information if they weren't comfortable with it and I think it's disgraceful that people would be expecting otherwise.

Now, Bluetonic has been warned by me when people have reported his posts, just like everyone else. If anyone here has a problem with anything posted by ANY member of the community report it. I'm sick of telling people to do this. I have a job and a life beyond this forum so if you take issue with something don't just sit around waiting for me to come across it and do something about it. Report it and it'll be brought to my attention a lot faster.

I'm not out to ban anyone from this forum and only do so for blatant abuse. Most of the time thing are dealt with on-thread or via PM. Just because you don't see someone being spoken to doesn't mean its not happening.

Now, if anyone here has a problem with anyone else here, may I suggest you make use of the 'Ignore' function if you are unable to be civil.

If anyone has anything they would like to say about this feel free to PM me.

Anymore off-topic posts will be deleted and the poster infracted.

cathy01

my penny worth.I live in Balbriggan but travel to skerries ever day.
I dont like the idea of a tower of apartments over looking a school.I think we should and could find a spot for it a litle future away.Its enough for the parents to get their kids toschool when you have all the cars, shoppers, delivery trucks its just mad.The town wont be able to handle that much mayhem.It is a quite village, its nice, clean and caring.I know if it was beside me I wouldnt want it.Development is good but it should be calculated.The apartments in Balbriggan haven't sold.I believe, but could be wrong that they will now be occupied by some residents from Mosney, so yes they are going to be used but why build more to sell if the ones you already built aren't moving.
cathy

cbreeze

I don't think people should worry about this development. The developer has not had success in trying to build apartments on the Harbour Road - in his first plan he even had his proposed parking spaces stretched across the public road! This creature has crawled out from under a Fianna Fail stone and is pushing his luck. He had a plan about a year ago for and then withdrew it. This one will fail as well. Fingal will turn it down, it will go to Pleanala, who will uphold Fingal, he will come back with a modified scheme, Fingal will turn it down, it will go to Pleanala, who will uphold Fingal - its the Moriarty of Groundhog Days. Back to the drawing board old son!

Fingleberries

Not to get territorial (and I apologise in advance if it opens a whole can of worms - Mods, please feel free to delete this if you think it's inappropriate) but it's funny how somebody who can get planning permission for a monstrosity in Balbriggan, would be repeatedly rejected for the same development in Skerries. Why is that: Do Skerries residents have more say in Fingal Co. Co.? Is it the Town Council in Balbriggan who approve planning decisions for the town?

Or is this just typical paranoia from a Balbriggan Resident?

DubArk

Im from Skerries and I do agree with you on the fact that Balbriggan was and has been used as some sort of test ground for anything that can be built will be. On the issue, does Skerries have some sort of extra influence with Fingal? Im not sure but looking at recent developments, I think not!

Supervalu hasn’t been refused yet on this development, so maybe that might be open for discussion in more detail after the event.

Fingal is a law onto itself from my dealings with them in the past. In Skerries one guy gets planning permission for anything and a neighbour is refused due to there windows not of a correct size. You will understand if I don’t go into specifics on this as this would be an invasion of people’s privacy.

I do think you make a point and one that should be brought to you local councillors attention. Election time again for them I believe is next June.