questions about the rdf i need to know??!!

clap-for-trap

hello

im thinking of joining the rdf 62LSBMedCoy unit and really need to no the difference between an infantry unit and the medical unit? i know you specialise in medics but do you still recieve the same training as the infantry unit aswell?? please post and let me know

minidazzler

You will recieve similar training but not the same training.

The Med training would be much more useful in real life!!! but, personnally I find being on the ground for 3 days straight to be alot of fun!!!

BTW, I am Artillery, so my opinion may not matter to you, I have done infantry training and exercises though.

Tribunius

Their primary focus is medical stuff first aid etc. They don't reall do much of the stuff you would call soldiering.

The medics receive no training on weapons after recruit training.

They go on the ground rarely when they do they don't have weapons at least none of the ones I ever came across did.

They don't do tactics as such just hang around with the pl hq if there is enough of them around.

However as has been mentioned the skills you will learn through them are far more useful in the real world than those learned in the infantry (or most of units for that matter).

minidazzler

Tribunius wrote: »

Their primary focus is medical stuff first aid etc. They don't reall do much of the stuff you would call soldiering.

The medics receive no training on weapons after recruit training.

They go on the ground rarely when they do they don't have weapons at least none of the ones I ever came across did.

They don't do tactics as such just hang around with the pl hq if there is enough of them around.

However as has been mentioned the skills you will learn through them are far more useful in the real world than those learned in the infantry (or most of units for that matter).

AFAIK, they have to do ARP's every year just like the rest of us, I have also seen some of them bangin away on the GPMG and USP.

enda50

everyone dose the same recruit training, (as to wether or not the medics remember it is another story ) but thats just basics.

after recruit training as far as i have heard the paths differ, but that the specialization of the corps, they may not be up to date on infantry training but thats not their job, just like as an infantry man im not up on medical matters.

from what i have seen from medics they get side lined alot unless on their own training, which i hear is quite interesting.

donno if this helps........

bunny shooter

well if I get hurt I want to see a good medic fairly fast don't care if he/she knows any infantry stuff once they make the pain go away or at least take the edge off it.

greenarrow

Tribunius wrote: »

Their primary focus is medical stuff first aid etc. They don't reall do much of the stuff you would call soldiering.

The medics receive no training on weapons after recruit training.

They go on the ground rarely when they do they don't have weapons at least none of the ones I ever came across did.

They don't do tactics as such just hang around with the pl hq if there is enough of them around.

However as has been mentioned the skills you will learn through them are far more useful in the real world than those learned in the infantry (or most of units for that matter).

Well that's absolutely false. All of the above except for the last point.
Medics do receive weapons training annually. And anyone who was at the ARP in September will testify to that because they came second overall in the competition.

Medics are always on the ground. They are on for the duration of all exercises/operations. I mean, how do you think they manage to arrive at accidents so quickly. It because they are in the thick of it with the rest of us and out on the ground with us.
I remember seeing two medics on the pre-lim for Slaney this year. And they got stuck in. They were up at the front too.

They do have weapons training too, along with tactical training.
And their fieldcraft training is also more advanced than infantry because of the specialised nature of their training. Especially in realtion to helicopter operations which is part of their annual training.

http://bebo.com/62LSBMedCoy has all the relevant information about the training that they do.
And the recruit training that they do is the same recruit training that every recruit does in the RDF. Likewise the two-three star module.
They do a fortnights recruit camp in the summer too. Just like everyone else does.

Poccington

greenarrow wrote: »

They do have weapons training too, along with tactical training.
And their fieldcraft training is also more advanced than infantry because of the specialised nature of their training. Especially in realtion to helicopter operations which is part of their annual training.

Medics do not have more advanced fieldcraft training than an Infantry unit.

greenarrow

Poccington wrote: »

Medics do not have more advanced fieldcraft training than an Infantry unit.

Yes they do. They do all the same infantry fieldcraft and tactics. In addition to that they also train up to be a combat medic.
Part of their field craft and training includes Radio comms and helicopter operations. Which is part of their annual training. Its part of what makes them a specialist unit. And its incorporated into their field craft training bloc in case there is a situation that requires an air lift.
I have never trained in that in infantry, so if you ask me that is more advanced than our field craft. By a handsome mile too.

They do patrol harbours, fox holes, etc. when they are on their annual camp. They do all the field craft that we all do in infantry. Why do you think they do the same PNCO course as us infantry heads? And they do better on that course than people expect them to.
And that's down to people's misconception of what they do on their annual training. I think there is a misconception that they don't based on what people observe from medics when they are away with other units.

And part of the blame for that is down to those units who request Medical cover not bothering to include them fully into their training programmes. Thus leaving them by the wayside.
Which is where the opinion probably originates from. But if you ask any medic, they are well up for getting stuck in. But no one ever asks them or includes them in what's going on. And you can't blame them for the decisions that our offficers make.

I have seen it many a time. The medic asks an officer what they want the medics role to be and they get told to "hang at the rear of the platoon", when they are well up for getting stuck in alongside the rest of us.

Poccington

greenarrow wrote: »

Yes they do. They do all the same infantry fieldcraft and tactics. In addition to that they also train up to be a combat medic.
Part of their field craft and training includes Radio comms and helicopter operations. Which is part of their annual training. Its part of what makes them a specialist unit. And its incorporated into their field craft training bloc in case there is a situation that requires an air lift.
I have never trained in that in infantry, so if you ask me that is more advanced than our field craft. By a handsome mile too.

They do patrol harbours, fox holes, etc. when they are on their annual camp. They do all the field craft that we all do in infantry. Why do you think they do the same PNCO course as us infantry heads? And they do better on that course than people expect them to.
And that's down to people's misconception of what they do on their annual training. I think there is a misconception that they don't based on what people observe from medics when they are away with other units.

And part of the blame for that is down to those units who request Medical cover not bothering to include them fully into their training programmes. Thus leaving them by the wayside.
Which is where the opinion probably originates from. But if you ask any medic, they are well up for getting stuck in. But no one ever asks them or includes them in what's going on. And you can't blame them for the decisions that our offficers make.

I have seen it many a time. The medic asks an officer what they want the medics role to be and they get told to "hang at the rear of the platoon", when they are well up for getting stuck in alongside the rest of us.

Comms and Heli Ops? That's specialised training!? Comms is covered in Recruit as well 2-3* Training and Heli Ops is covered in 2-3* Training. If you don't know how to operate a radio or deploy out of a heli you shouldn't be a Rifleman. It's ridiculously basic stuff. You should also have been trained in Battlefield First Aid in 2-3* Training as well as becoming an fully qualified Occupational First Aider as a Recruit.

Do medics do OP's or CTR's? Will you ever find them in a Recce Platoon? Or a Weapons Platoon? Will you ever find them in with the Assault Pioneers? No, you definitely won't so to say they're fieldcraft is more advanced than Infantry is utterly ridiculous and blatant lies.

greenarrow

Poccington wrote: »

Comms and Heli Ops? That's specialised training!? Comms is covered in Recruit as well 2-3* Training and Heli Ops is covered in 2-3* Training. If you don't know how to operate a radio or deploy out of a heli you shouldn't be a Rifleman. It's ridiculously basic stuff. You should also have been trained in Battlefield First Aid in 2-3* Training as well as becoming an fully qualified Occupational First Aider as a Recruit.

Do medics do OP's or CTR's? Will you ever find them in a Recce Platoon? Or a Weapons Platoon? Will you ever find them in with the Assault Pioneers? No, you definitely won't so to say they're fieldcraft is more advanced than Infantry is utterly ridiculous and blatant lies.

You do find medics with weapons platoons. If they are included properly in the actual ops. And you do find them in a recce platoon, and with assault pioneers I don't know.
The heli-ops they do is more than just transport. It involves making a HLS and so on, same as the rest of us. But also operating in an air ambulance capcity if they are going to hospital with their casualty.
Maybe you won't find them in an OP or a CTR, but what's glamorous about either? Precious little. But you would find them in an OP from time to time, like the rest of us. Maybe not a CTR, but that's not their role. Which is not to say they don't know how to do it.

All I said was that the field craft training they do, in relation to the specialist nature of their training, with helicopter operations and the role of an air ambulance does make that a lot more advanced than what we do in infantry.
Its more advanced because of its specialised nature, which is what I was saying all along. And it is.
And if you looked at which was more glamorous, an OP or air-lifting someone to hospital, which element of field craft would you say was more advanced of the two?


I mean if you think an OP or a CTR are whoopie, then stop taking yourself so seriously. Its not that that advanced when you think about it.
Medics do everything that we do, but on their annual camp. We just base the opinion that they don't around the fact that our brass don't seem to include them in what is going on.

Their field craft is the same as ours, but their advanced field craft differs to ours. AND it is more advanced.

Poccington

greenarrow wrote: »

You do find medics with weapons platoons. If they are included properly in the actual ops. And you do find them in a recce platoon, and with assault pioneers I don't know.
The heli-ops they do is more than just transport. It involves making a HLS and so on, same as the rest of us. But also operating in an air ambulance capcity if they are going to hospital with their casualty.
Maybe you won't find them in an OP or a CTR, but what's glamorous about either? Precious little. But you would find them in an OP from time to time, like the rest of us. Maybe not a CTR, but that's not their role. Which is not to say they don't know how to do it.

All I said was that the field craft training they do, in relation to the specialist nature of their training, with helicopter operations and the role of an air ambulance does make that a lot more advanced than what we do in infantry.
Its more advanced because of its specialised nature, which is what I was saying all along. And it is.
And if you looked at which was more glamorous, an OP or air-lifting someone to hospital, which element of field craft would you say was more advanced of the two?


I mean if you think an OP or a CTR are whoopie, then stop taking yourself so seriously. Its not that that advanced when you think about it.
Medics do everything that we do, but on their annual camp. We just base the opinion that they don't around the fact that our brass don't seem to include them in what is going on.

Their field craft is the same as ours, but their advanced field craft differs to ours. AND it is more advanced.

Lol and OP's or CTR's aren't advanced fieldcraft? They most certainly are advanced fieldcraft. Please explain by the way what a Medic would be doing in an OP with a Recce Detachment? I'd really like to know.

Medics aren't part of a Weapons Platoon or Recce Platoon as they aren't trained in either role so therefore how could they possibly have the same fieldcraft training as an Infantry Unit? Then of course I could go into Mowag Drivers and Commanders in Infantry Units, as well as Snipers but of course they're probably not as advanced or "glamorous"(:rolleyes:) as an Air Ambulance. So no, their "Advanced Fieldcraft" is definitely not more advanced than that available in an Infantry Unit. Although I fear that since you keep talking about training that's done on Annual Camp that we're speaking from the prospective of 2 different branches of the DF.


BTW, I'd definitely consider an OP more advanced than an Air Ambulance to a hospital.

greenarrow

Poccington wrote: »

Lol an OP's or CTR's aren't advanced fieldcraft? They most certainly are advanced fieldcraft. Please explain by the way what a Medic would be doing in an OP with a Recce Detachment? I'd really like to know.

Medics aren't part of a Weapons Platoon or Recce Platoon as they aren't trained in either role so therefore how could they possibly have the same fieldcraft training as an Infantry Unit? Then of course I could go into Mowag Drivers and Commanders in Infantry Units, as well as Snipers but of course they're probably not as advanced or "glamorous"(:rolleyes:) as an Air Ambulance. So no, their "Advanced Fieldcraft" is definitely not more advanced than that available in an Infantry Unit.


BTW, I'd definitely consider an OP more advanced than an Air Ambulance to a hospital.

Of course they are advanced fired craft. I never said that they weren't. I have read TM 201 you know.
All I said was that if you compare an OP or CTR, side by side with saving someone's life in an air ambulance, then the air ambulance role involves a great deal more to it. By a mile.

And you would have to be a moron to say otherwise. Medics do all the OPs and so on. Because you don't see a rec go in for infantry to go on camp with them, do you? So who do you think does it when they go away and go out on the ground?

And I never said that a medic was part of a recce/weapons platoon. But you would see them out on the ground with them. And you do see them out there too. And they have a steyr with them.
I have seen medics go away, draw weapons and go out on the ground with units. They do get stuck in with the weapons side of things.

And if they are not, that's down to brass not including them in the operation/exercise and giving them a more active role.

And I am going to close on this point, but when was the last time you were given a de-brief that included a hands on role for medics? Its always assumed that they are in the rear with the platoon HQ because they want to be there. But there are plenty of medics that would get stuck in if they were included in whatever was going on. But brass never never play ball that way.
And then you would probably see them in OPs and so on. And I bet they would know how to do it too.

Poccington

greenarrow wrote: »

Of course they are advanced fired craft. I never said that they weren't. I have read TM 201 you know.
All I said was that if you compare an OP or CTR, side by side with saving someone's life in an air ambulance, then the air ambulance role involves a great deal more to it. By a mile.

How exactly? If you think that moving into enemy territory, right on top of the enemy without being undetected, then setting up a proper OP, observing your objective for a 2-3 days whilst being undetected, then pulling out of said area once again without being detected all while carrying a ridiculous amount of weight in your pack is simple I suggest you get yourself on a Recce Course quickly. So unless the Medics are flying the Heli's themselves it's not quite as extreme as you make it out to be.

And you would have to be a moron to say otherwise. Medics do all the OPs and so on. Because you don't see a rec go in for infantry to go on camp with them, do you? So who do you think does it when they go away and go out on the ground?

Again I ask, why oh why would Medics be in OPs whilst on Operations? I'm not talking about Camps because I don't do them, I'm talking about in a proper situation as in a proper Infantry Battalion with it's Support Arms.... So why would Medics be in OPs?

And I never said that a medic was part of a recce/weapons platoon. But you would see them out on the ground with them. And you do see them out there too. And they have a steyr with them.
I have seen medics go away, draw weapons and go out on the ground with units. They do get stuck in with the weapons side of things.

No, you find a Medic attached to said Platoon. They do not get stuck in with any of the Weapons Detachments or any of the Recce Detachments. They'll be sitting in Platoon HQ, nowhere near any of the Detachments. Once again because they're not trained in any of those roles.

And I am going to close on this point, but when was the last time you were given a de-brief that included a hands on role for medics? Its always assumed that they are in the rear with the platoon HQ because they want to be there. But there are plenty of medics that would get stuck in if they were included in whatever was going on. But brass never never play ball that way.
And then you would probably see them in OPs and so on. And I bet they would know how to do it too.

They're not supposed to be in the thick of the action, they're Medics. All Riflemen are qualified in Battlefield First Aid to deal with initial injuries, Medics will be waiting at a CCP or MAP waiting for casualties once they've been moved. You may get the odd one heading out with a patrol but never to do a Rifleman's job. So of course they're not going to be in the thick of it, that's not there job. The whole "Oh they could do it if they were allowed" is a completely redundant and nonsense point.

So I'm still struggling to see how their "Fieldcraft" is more advanced than that available to Infantry. Although I believe the discussion ends here so I guess I'll be forever left wondering.

greenarrow

What planet are you living on? You're so bloody ignorant of what medics do. I am infantry too, and I can tell you that there are plenty of medics out there that are at the front line. And they are trained in tactics and weapons, and they are there in the front line with the rest of us.

That is what they are trained to do. And if you think that they just stay in the rear with the gear, you are well mistaken. They are trained in REEF and GRIT etc, and they incoporate it into their training all year long.
A medics place is definitely on the front line.

And to say that their place is not on the front line is bang out of order. I know plenty of people who have done infantry first aid, and I would rather shoot myself then have them go near me. Give me a medic anytime, because most of infantry wouldn't know what to do if a situation arose. And that's a fact. And if you are infantry yourself you should know that is the case 9/10 times.

A medics place is wherever the casualty is. And I would rather have a medic moving with my platoon/section in case I need him in an emergency. Especially if speed is of the essence, and I always grab one and bring him with me if I can. Its common sense at the end of the day.

And if you would rather leave the most qualified person a good mile or so at the back, then that's a fabulous call to make. Well done on that front. I am sure that you can explain to someone's widow that the reason their husband is dead is because you were so ignorant of the role that medics have, and decided to leave the medic in the rear rather than have him up at the front where he could have saved a life, and because of your decison she's a widow. Yeah, that's a great call to make.
An infantry person is not more trained/qualified than an army medic. And you need medics on the front line, and they do belong there.
How can you be so short-sighted as to say that they don't belong there? I am infantry as well, but even I know that its better having medics moving with your platoon/section. Even a recruit could tell you that.

Poccington

greenarrow wrote: »

What planet are you living on? You're so bloody ignorant of what medics do. I am infantry too, and I can tell you that there are plenty of medics out there that are at the front line. And they are trained in tactics and weapons, and they are there in the front line with the rest of us.

That is what they are trained to do. And if you think that they just stay in the rear with the gear, you are well mistaken. They are trained in REEF and GRIT etc, and they incoporate it into their training all year long.
A medics place is definitely on the front line.

And to say that their place is not on the front line is bang out of order. I know plenty of people who have done infantry first aid, and I would rather shoot myself then have them go near me. Give me a medic anytime, because most of infantry wouldn't know what to do if a situation arose. And that's a fact. And if you are infantry yourself you should know that is the case 9/10 times.

A medics place is wherever the casualty is. And I would rather have a medic moving with my platoon/section in case I need him in an emergency. Especially if speed is of the essence, and I always grab one and bring him with me if I can. Its common sense at the end of the day.

And if you would rather leave the most qualified person a good mile or so at the back, then that's a fabulous call to make. Well done on that front. I am sure that you can explain to someone's widow that the reason their husband is dead is because you were so ignorant of the role that medics have, and decided to leave the medic in the rear rather than have him up at the front where he could have saved a life, and because of your decison she's a widow. Yeah, that's a great call to make.
An infantry person is not more trained/qualified than an army medic. And you need medics on the front line, and they do belong there.
How can you be so short-sighted as to say that they don't belong there? I am infantry as well, but even I know that its better having medics moving with your platoon/section. Even a recruit could tell you that.

Infantry First Aid? What's that exactly? I know that during my 6 months of Recruit/2-3* Training I was thought(By Medics) how to deal with quite a few injuries including sucking chest wounds caused by gunshots as part of my Medical Block.... How exactly is it Infantry First Aid if Medics are teaching it?

I've already said that Medics can be in the Platoon HQ, however they have no place in putting in a Section in Attack, that's not even close to what they're there for. Any PDF Medic will tell you such a thing, including lads that are Ex-ARW. They're not there to fight firefights or any such thing, they're there to deal with casualties.

As for the "Now she's a widow" comment that's just being ridiculous. We'll bring Medics with us on SIA's will we? And sure when the Assault is going in we may as well send the Medic as well just to be safe like. Medics have no place in a Section and if you think they do you're off your head.

Unless of course, all those Medics with all those trips Overseas that trained me during my Medical Block of training are wrong. I'll be sure to tell them when I'm in work in the morning how very wrong they are, those silly people.

BTW, a Medic is more qualified when it comes to First Aid but when it comes to Fieldcraft and Infantry work they don't even come close to the different skills in place in an Infantry Bn.

greenarrow

I have known medics to take part in section attacks on weekends away with other units. So I know that there are medics trained/know how to do it. And more credit to them for taking part in them.

But I never said anything about medics taking part in a section attack. Just that they know all about R.E.E.F.and G.R.I.T. so that when they are out with a section/platoon and that they can move along with any section in attack. And get their head down too.
And that is to say they would be there with you if you got hit a great deal faster than someone at the rear of the platoon in HQ/CCP/RAP.

There are plenty of medics out there trained in tactics and fieldcraft, and they would be just as good as anyone in infantry.
Don't be so misguided to say that's not true.
Every unit does field craft and tactics, especially any unit that goes out on the ground.

Poccington

I think we've gotten our wires crossed somewhere in this thread.

I never said they didn't know fieldcraft, in the PDF everyone has to do their 6 months training with an Infantry Unit before they can move onto any other Unit unlike the RDF where you can join any Unit of any Corps. However, I took exception to when you said Medic fieldcraft is more advanced than Infanry when it quite blatantly isn't.

As for taking part in an SIA if you're giving a GRIT then you're taking part in one. They shouldn't be anywhere near a Section during a Platoon In Attack or Section In Attack. They're there at the CCP or MAP to deal with casulaties as they come, all Riflemen(In the PDF anyway) are trained to deal with the injury initially until they get the casualty back to the Medics. That's a fact, to do it any other way including bringing Medics along on a SIA is flat out wrong and tactically inept.

iceage

Was gonna say I felt a Russell Brand coming on, or would it be better to say a Wossy coming on? Is this a case of inter Corps rivalry? Please say yes because its kinda healty, but this is getting a bit boring.

Poccington

There's no such thing as Inter Corps Rivalry in the PDF.... Everyone just accepts that Infantry are the top dogs

minidazzler

While I agree with most of what Pocc is saying, I think Medics should, and in the PDF would, know how to carry out SIA's, due to all recruit training in the PDF being standardised to a point where it is only minimally deviated from. However thats not their job.

In the RDF training is "standardised", but there is still the attitude of "This is how we do it around these parts!!!"

Ye also need to realise that Pocc is PDF and greenarrow is RDF. Things are done quite differently, even if the minister would like to think otherwise. There is a strong possibility that Medics in the RDF have gone on Ex's with other units and gotten to take part in SIA's for a laugh, but then again if there is a medic on hand for RDF Arty shoots they will usually get to fire a round off the gun, just for a laugh.

Lads, ye are argueing apples and oranges here.

Poccington

minidazzler wrote: »

While I agree with most of what Pocc is saying, I think Medics should, and in the PDF would, know how to carry out SIA's, due to all recruit training in the PDF being standardised to a point where it is only minimally deviated from. However thats not their job.

In the RDF training is "standardised", but there is still the attitude of "This is how we do it around these parts!!!"

Ye also need to realise that Pocc is PDF and greenarrow is RDF. Things are done quite differently, even if the minister would like to think otherwise. There is a strong possibility that Medics in the RDF have gone on Ex's with other units and gotten to take part in SIA's for a laugh, but then again if there is a medic on hand for RDF Arty shoots they will usually get to fire a round off the gun, just for a laugh.

Lads, ye are argueing apples and oranges here.

Oh definitely every Medic knows how to do a SIA as he spends 6 months of Recruit Training being trained as an Infantry soldier before they go to their Units. I just don't think Medics should be doing SIA's and they definitely shouldn't be moving with a Section during one as it's not something that's needed and it's tactically inept.

You're right though, myself and GA are looking at it from 2 diffeent perspectives I think.

greenarrow

I am not RDF for the record, nor am I a medic. I was just saying that they would know how do the SIA.
Common sense has prevailed. All I was initially saying was that in my opinion, and I am erring on the side of caution and common sense, but that advanced fIeld crafts and tactics being considered, knowing how to save someone's life is more advanced than an OP etc.
And I am talking about intubation, IV drips, etc. Not putting a plaster on a cut. Which is a tad bit more technical when you get into the advance medical details/training of what is involved. And then compare that to an OP.

And I am not saying that an OP, CTR etc. are a doddle either. And I am not getting involved in this debate further. Its just my opinion.

My closing point is going to be this:
To the guy who originally posted - go for it. Simply because you will be joining a very good unit. I think it was Tiberius who originally stirred it by reporting an inaccurate account of what the medics do training wise. And I just weighed in to correct him. Medics do quite a lot more than people think.

Poccington - you're A-OK in my book buddy!
Peace Out

Tribunius

Wo there greenarrow calm down.

What I posted was based on my personal experience of encountering various medics over a number of years.

For instance on ex. green dragon a few years back none of the medics who were attached to the pl hq's were armed, cammoed up or even wearing full kit. They wore dayglow vests and their berets. We had to go over the steyr with them as few of them had touched it in a while. Also had to run over the gpmg with them.

All other encounters were on ranges or camps where without fail they did their primary job of providing medical care. In fact on one such camp they provided a memorable one day introduction to first aid. Even lined up a mock car crash scene for us.

As for them knowing everything an infantryman knows and then some well thats not quite true is it. Also if they spent their time messing about doing what infantry do then I would be quite worried they have better things to be getting on with. After all if I get hurt when I'm out and about in green I rather have a medic who knows their job well than mine at all.

I was by no means demeaning what they do. They just do a different job to the other corps that was my point. Also come on we are talking about the RDF here we are way below PDF standard. We just don't have the training time.

greenarrow

For instance on ex. green dragon a few years back none of the medics who were attached to the pl hq's were armed, cammoed up or even wearing full kit. They wore dayglow vests and their berets. We had to go over the steyr with them as few of them had touched it in a while. Also had to run over the gpmg with them.

I don't know what this is/was. Or which brigade it was with either.
It doesn't sound like it was the Eastern Brigade to me.

And the initial query was about 62LSBMedCoy and why the guy should join. They are a well trained unit who do a great amount of field craft training too. They are also a unit that will draw a weapon without hesitation if they are given the opportunity. And that is because they receive annual training on weapons. As well as having good instructors in the unit.
And they will get stuck in with camoing up and so on.

While still knowing their bread and butter medical training too. Which does give joining their unit that edge in having learned a skill(s) that you can take out of the RDF with you.

Tribunius

greenarrow wrote: »

I don't know what this is/was. Or which brigade it was with either.
It doesn't sound like it was the Eastern Brigade to me.

Is was a western brigade company scale exercise down in kilworth. It was as far as I can recall the year prior to the reorg.

Also might I ask why you are so defensive regarding the unit in question?