The most valuable player of the Attitude era?

CMpunked

Ok, from reading the "For once and all" thread, people were saying how they thought kane wasnt(or was) a vital part of the attitude era.

But who was (to you)?

**Edit** I've enabled multiple choice too.

gimmick

Triple H

Austin. He epitomised what "Attitude" was all about. He was involved in the best feuds - McMahon, Rock, HHH, Foley, he drew like no one else. Its a no brainer as far as I am concerned.

Arguments could be made for DX as well, as they certainly pushed the envelope of what could and could not be done on TV. But overall, Austin was probably a bigger draw than anyone else at the time.

rovert

Triple H

Kane

D.Q

Stone Cold Steve Austin,

Personally, he did it for me. There are just so many great Austin moments to choose from.
EDIT:
Sorry, for some reason I didnt see the poll.... Austin and the mcmahons were my choices.
Without mcmahon Austin wouldnt be 'Austin'...

D.Q

rovert wrote: »

Kane

hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

funny man.:eek::D

rovert

Triple H

Seriously why is Kane on this list exactly as it is pretty well established he wasnt a draw so how could he be valuable?

The answer is Austin for the first half of it and The Rock for the second half.

D.Q

rovert wrote: »

Seriously why is Kane on this list exactly as it is pretty well established he was a draw.

I dont think the Kane debate should be brought up again here, not bein an arsehole....:)

rossie1977

Triple H

gimmick wrote: »

Austin. He epitomised what "Attitude" was all about. He was involved in the best feuds - McMahon, Rock, HHH, Foley, he drew like no one else. Its a no brainer as far as I am concerned.

Arguments could be made for DX as well, as they certainly pushed the envelope of what could and could not be done on TV. But overall, Austin was probably a bigger draw than anyone else at the time.

^^^ this

if wwe didn't push austin when they did they would have gone out of business

D.Q

rossie1977 wrote: »

^^^ this

if wwe didn't push austin when they did they would have gone out of business

:eek: I dont know about that.

anything could have happened.

ShawnRaven

Triple H

Austin, and it's gonna be a f*cking landslide of a poll.

CMpunked

Mick Foley?Mankind

rovert wrote: »

Seriously why is Kane on this list exactly as it is pretty well established he wasnt a draw so how could he be valuable?

For the pure fun of it.

The question isnt "out of these main players.."
It's "Out of these wrestlers..."

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Austin, and it's gonna be a f*cking landslide of a poll.

Might be right there, be interesting to see by how much though.

rovert

Triple H

DieselQueen wrote: »

I dont think the Kane debate should be brought up again here, not bein an arsehole....:)

It should he is on the list and is the weakest personality by a significant margin in any critea you could name.

ShawnRaven

Triple H

DieselQueen wrote: »

:eek: I dont know about that.

anything could have happened.

Not it couldn't, three things saved WWE from Bankruptcy in 1997, 1) WWE using ECW as a template to restructure the way they presented television, leading to 2) the likes of DX, The Nation etc which in turn, producing Rock and HHH, and 3) Steve Austin, from his storylines that kept you watching, to his merchandise sales.

Between that and mismanagement from WCW and ECW, you're looking at the reasons as to why WWE stands alone today.

rovert

Triple H

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Austin, and it's gonna be a f*cking landslide of a poll.

Just you wait after the result of the previous one.

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

For the pure fun of it.

The question isnt "out of these main players.."
It's "Out of these wrestlers..."

But how does he even make the cut? Sable should have been chosen instead of him.

rovert

Triple H

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Not it couldn't, three things saved WWE from Bankruptcy in 1997, 1) WWE using ECW as a template to restructure the way they presented television, leading to 2) the likes of DX, The Nation etc which in turn, producing Rock and HHH, and 3) Steve Austin, from his storylines that kept you watching, to his merchandise sales.

Artistically WWF were putting out better shows than WCW for most of 1997. They developed a tonne of momentum with their characters as ShawnRaven pointed out in 1997.

The fan disappointment over Hogan beating Sting at Starrcade had a part to play too in my opinion.

CMpunked

Mick Foley?Mankind

rovert wrote: »

But how does he even make the cut? Sable should have been chosen instead of him.

He makes the cut because i wanted him in.
Mainly to wind people up because of the kane poll that is going on.

Are you going to vote?

rovert

Triple H

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

He makes the cut because i wanted him in.
Mainly to wind people up because of the kane poll that is going on.

Are you going to vote?

So in other words Kane has no legitimate claim to be in it. As long as that is established.

What years do you consider the Attitude Era?

ShawnRaven

Triple H

Ok, who got bombed and voted the McMahons for a laugh? Own the f*ck up now!

CMpunked

Mick Foley?Mankind

rovert wrote: »

So in other words Kane has no legitimate claim to be in it. As long as that is established.

What years do you consider the Attitude Era?

Late 1996- Mania X7 (2001).

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Ok, who got bombed and voted the McMahons for a laugh? Own the f*ck up now!

Going by this: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/poll.php?do=showresults&pollid=10974

DieselQueen

ShawnRaven

Triple H

rovert wrote: »

Artistically WWF were putting out better shows than WCW for most of 1997. They developed a tonne of momentum with their characters as ShawnRaven pointed out in 1997.

I almost fully agree, on TV, WWE's shows television shows were better, but WWE's PPV's that year were lackluster at best.

The fan disappointment over Hogan beating Sting at Starrcade had a part to play too in my opinion.

Sting, after being missing for a while, gets beaten by Hogan and takes another paid vacation. Stupid booking.

ShawnRaven

Triple H

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Late 1996- Mania X7 (2001).

Attitude era didn't truly begin until around March 1997 to be fair.

CMpunked

Mick Foley?Mankind

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Attitude era didn't truly begin until around March 1997 to be fair.

yout right sorry, i got my dates mixed up.

I thought the changing of Monday night raw/Raw is war was earlier than that.

Rjd2

Triple H

No Grandmaster Sexsay =thread fail:pac:

ShawnRaven

Triple H

Rjd2 wrote: »

No Grandmaster Sexsay =thread fail:pac:

:rolleyes:

Rjd2

Triple H

ShawnRaven wrote: »

:rolleyes:

What you did not mark out for the hip hop drop:eek::eek::eek::eek:
Anyways Austin is winning this poll by a mile which makes sense as he was the face of the attitude era, his feuds like someone said were the most memorable of those years and everything about his character was great. The music, the promo's, his attitude we may never see anybody like him again.

Bubs101

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Ok, who got bombed and voted the McMahons for a laugh? Own the f*ck up now!

I did.

Shane vs. X-Pac=buys

amacachi

Just from me and my friends I'd've said what first really drew us in was the Tag Team Division with the Hardys, E+C etc.

rovert

Triple H

amacachi wrote: »

Just from me and my friends I'd've said what first really drew us in was the Tag Team Division with the Hardys, E+C etc.

The both teams were a non factor for a sizable chunk of it
though.

Cactus Col

I voted for the mcmahons.

But I immediately regret it.

The reason I voted for them was because I don't think you can have a "most" vital part. Either it was vital, or it wasn't.

Austin needed the McMahons, and The Rock. The chemistry between all three was vital.

However, Austin was most certainly the most valuable player, which is why I should've voted that way.

Endaaaagh

I'm voting the McMahons...or more to the point for Vince. He was pretty much the main Heel character during the attitude era. Nearly everyone else on the list had a major fued with him one time or another (I say nearly cause I can't think of any Kane/McMahon Fued off the top of my head but I'm sure if it happened someone will refresh my memory). In essence wasn't one of the main points of the Attitude Era Rebelling Against Authority (Vince)

Bubs101

In fairness though, Vince owns the company. How can he not be the most valuable player. He made the decisions and got Austin into the comapany in the first place

newballsplease

Triple H

what happened to the attitude era????

rovert

Triple H

Bubs101 wrote: »

In fairness though, Vince owns the company. How can he not be the most valuable player. He made the decisions and got Austin into the comapany in the first place

He gave Austin the Ringmaster gimmick, said he thought Austin couldnt talk and had to begged to go with Austin 3:16 after Austin cut the promo at KOTR 1996. :rolleyes:

Handsome Bob

Triple H

Hands down, it's SCSA. He captivated me to the point where he was the first bad guy that I rooted for.

rvd156

The McMahon's I feel were class in the attitude day's!!

The McMahon-Hemsley era and all that!!

Savage!!

rovert

Triple H

rvd156 wrote: »

The McMahon-Hemsley era

rvd156

You not like that time??

I just thought it was kool....

Espically when all the superstarts were gonna walk out if they didn't re-enstate mick foley (Wonder if they will do that in TNA )

"You want me at the garden, you want me at the rumble?"

"Your damn right I want your ass at the rumble"

Good times!!

Handsome Bob

Triple H

rvd156 wrote: »

You not like that time??

I just thought it was kool....

Espically when all the superstarts were gonna walk out if they didn't re-enstate mick foley (Wonder if they will do that in TNA )

"You want me at the garden, you want me at the rumble?"

"Your damn right I want your ass at the rumble"

Good times!!

It always use to disturb me when wrestlers would tell their rivals that they their ass.:pac:

rvd156

Yeah HHH said it quite a lot back then...He was prob thinking of stephaine too much....I hope

gimmick

Triple H

newballsplease wrote: »

what happened to the attitude era????

It rans its course and ended.

JP Liz

Triple H

Stone Cold Steve Austin

ec18

Stone Cold Steve Austin

The McMahons had a part in the attitude era both as heels and in pulling the strings behind the scenes. Would Austin have been half as successful if he didn't have McMahon to play off?

Bubs101

ec18 wrote: »

The McMahons had a part in the attitude era both as heels and in pulling the strings behind the scenes. Would Austin have been half as successful if he didn't have McMahon to play off?

Exactly, so much of Austin's popularity was down to Vince and him and Shane to a lesser extent played a massive part in getting D-X over. Same with Foley

amacachi

rovert wrote: »

The both teams were a non factor for a sizable chunk of it
though.

True enough, like my post said, I'm just goin on what got my friends and myself interested in the first place.

ShawnRaven

Triple H

ec18 wrote: »

The McMahons had a part in the attitude era both as heels and in pulling the strings behind the scenes. Would Austin have been half as successful if he didn't have McMahon to play off?

I say he would. It was Austin/Rock that drew and headlined Wrestlemania on three different occasions, not Austin/McMahon.

It was Austin/Michaels/Tyson who began to lure viewers from WCW to WWE in 1998, not Austin/McMahon.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying Vince didn't have a big hand in it, it's obvious that he did. I'm just saying he'd have been a household name without having Vince to play off.

PretentiousApe

McMahon Family...

If it wasn't for Vince, Austin wouldn't be a disgruntled employee.

ShawnRaven

Triple H

PretentiousApe wrote: »

McMahon Family...

If it wasn't for Vince, Austin wouldn't be a disgruntled employee.

But he was already insanely over before he even got in the program with Vince, his program with Bret/Hart Foundation made sure of that.

PretentiousApe

Metalopolis... Good man.

ShawnRaven

Triple H

PretentiousApe wrote: »

Metalopolis... Good man.

Reported for personal abuse towards several members.

PretentiousApe

Can't get a girlfriend - watch porn...

Can't **** anymore - watch wrestling...

Can't watch wrestling - obsessively be on Boards...

Suck Rovert's cock.

Served.

ShawnRaven

Triple H

Ooooh you really served me didn't you Keith? I'm quaking my boots.
Have a nice day.