Match Thread: Chelsea v Liverpool

jesus_thats_gre

PHB wrote: »

Oh, one a side note, did anybody see some sort of porn behind Benetiz in teh dugout? It looked to me like there was some lads magazine drapped across the seat directly behind him? [or am I going nuts?]

It was defo there...

Delighted with that result. Glad my gut proved me wrong, I thought we'd come undone today at the Bridge, couple of recent dodgy moments in defence had me concerned.

But we won it well. Stuff the Sky commentary on Liverpool 'hanging on'.... we certainly weren't hanging on and could've had a couple more.
And really delighted Xabi put one away, he's been immense this season so far and I'm so glad he didn't leave.

Of course, we've been nothing but 'lucky' to do so well so far this season. All those results down to pure luck, eh?!

5starpool

delija_sever029 wrote: »

I watched 2nd half of the game today and it was funny to hear serbian commentator who realised what he said when it was late but he said: "....now we can hear Chelsea fans singing 1 of 2 chants they usually sing when Chelsea plays, its ''come on Chelsea'' at the moment"

Something lost in translation here or am I missing something obvious?

Dingatron

Happy days! Would have been happy with a draw today but coming in with the early subs on Wednesday I thought we were up for it today. Pure Rafa magic and all the critics have nothing to write today.:p

ntlbell

Bill wrote: »

Well done Pool, gutted as a United fan though , I hate to think you may actually be in with a shout this year.

Why?

As a united fan I think this was the best result possible.
If chelsea won they would 8 points ahead, they would still have the home record and it would be hard to see us pulling back.

Liverpool will fade away they don't have the stamina to last the 38 games and will finish in the usuall 3/4th spots.

But what it does do is open up the flood gates at the bridge and keeps us close to chelsea win our game in hand and there's two points in the difference, chelsea will drop more points at home the only thing that's kept them going in some of the games was the fact they would lose the record that drive is gone now...

I'm as worried about Liverppol as i am hull tbh

mayordenis

5starpool wrote: »

Something lost in translation here or am I missing something obvious?

I'm not having a dig at chelsea here,
but the commentator was talking about the stigma around chelsea that they only have 1 or 2 songs and that they are all like generic "Come on [Instert team name]" chants.

Good win for pool, unlucky not to have at least got a second, good efforts from babel, gerrard and alsonso.
Saying that the actual goal we scored was very lucky and obviously quite harsh on chelsea - It doesn't really change much though in the same way if chelsea won I don't think liverpool be out of contention.

Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester United and Arsenal should all feel they can win this league if anything today's result was great for any viewer who has no allegiance to the top 4

mayordenis

ntlbell wrote: »

Why?

As a united fan I think this was the best result possible.
If chelsea won they would 8 points ahead, they would still have the home record and it would be hard to see us pulling back.

Liverpool will fade away they don't have the stamina to last the 38 games and will finish in the usuall 3/4th spots.

But what it does do is open up the flood gates at the bridge and keeps us close to chelsea win our game in hand and there's two points in the difference, chelsea will drop more points at home the only thing that's kept them going in some of the games was the fact they would lose the record that drive is gone now...

I'm as worried about Liverppol as i am hull tbh

I agree Chelsea won't be arsed at home and will be scoring own goals for fun and definately liverpool players are not fit players like Kuyt just won't have the legs. Fluke.

rosboy

ntlbell wrote: »

Why?

As a united fan I think this was the best result possible.
If chelsea won they would 8 points ahead, they would still have the home record and it would be hard to see us pulling back.

Liverpool will fade away they don't have the stamina to last the 38 games and will finish in the usuall 3/4th spots.

But what it does do is open up the flood gates at the bridge and keeps us close to chelsea win our game in hand and there's two points in the difference, chelsea will drop more points at home the only thing that's kept them going in some of the games was the fact they would lose the record that drive is gone now...

I'm as worried about Liverppol as i am hull tbh

A quote to be bookmarked if ever I saw one:p

Anyone see the highlights of the Fanzone commentary on Sky? Hilarious:

http://www.skysports.com/video/clips/0,23791,12606_4401211,00.html#

ntlbell

mayordenis wrote: »

I agree Chelsea won't be arsed at home and will be scoring own goals for fun and definately liverpool players are not fit players like Kuyt just won't have the legs. Fluke.

The mental aspect of that record won chelsea more points over the last few years, I'm not saying they won't be bothered at home but the mental drive to protect that record got them points were in normal circumstances they may have not.

It also shows other teams that they can be beat there

Sure Liverpool are as fit as any other team in the league :rolleyes::rolleyes:
I'm referring to the mental preasure of been on top every single game after game not been able to lose as the big boys are biting at your ankles I don't think mentally they will be up for it for another 30 games.

Karmafaerie

Karmafaerie wrote: »

0-1, 1-1, or 1-2.

Liverpool know how to beat them, and will.
Chelsea's style this year is made for Liverpool, and I imagine Chelsea looking very ordinary on Sunday.

Pepe'll probably have a few great saves to make, cause of the wealth of talent at Chelsea, but I really can't see them winning.

Boggles wrote: »

You think they would share it with everyone else, no one has had a clue in 4 years.

Bubs101 wrote: »

Could a Liverpool fan explain to me why they are so confident of beating the new attacking Chelsea and why their style is made for it? I'm really having trouble grasping it. From what I've seen so far, Chelsea are strongest on the flanks with Cole finally being given license to do what he does best and Bosingwa more than complimenting him. Liverpool look fairly weak on the flanks. Dossena has not shown his Udinese form at all and I think we'll rip you apart on the wings and the game will depend on which Anelka shows his face

Also, Liverpool fans aren't giving Scolari any credit. He's taken to English football wonderfully so i don't see why you'd expect it to stop tommorow

SantryRed wrote: »

Karma, you honestly make no sense.

Liverpool woll know Chelsea but Chelsea won't know Liverpool becuase of Scolari?

You do know he can watch tapes?

Scolari will outwit Benitez on Sunday and win comfortably.

Dun laoire wrote: »

Absolutely wrong! No team goes to stamford bridge with no fear.

Tusky wrote: »

I'm a Liverpool fan and that post gave me a chuckle. Take off your liverbird specs amigo.

07/08 Chelsea v Liverpool 0 - 0 A DRAW
07/08 Chelsea v Liverpool 1 - 1 H DRAW
06/07 Chelsea v Liverpool 1 - 0 H LOSS
06/07 Chelsea v Liverpool 2 - 0 A LOSS
05/06 Chelsea v Liverpool 4 - 1 H LOSS
05/06 Chelsea v Liverpool 2 - 0 A LOSS
04/05 Chelsea v Liverpool 1 - 0 A LOSS
04/05 Chelsea v Liverpool 1 - 0 H LOSS

To simplify, we have picked up 2 points from the last 8 league meetings with Chelsea. At Stamford bridge, we have drawn once and lost 3 times in the last 4 years in the league. To add to that, Chelsea have been phenominal this year while we, contrary to league position, havent. We have shown great team spirit and determination but havent bossed games and won comfortably.

Id be chuffed with a point. Hope to see the below team.

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Reina

Arbeloa----Carra---Agger----Aurelio

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Alonso---Masch

Kuyt

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Gerrard

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Babel

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Keane

dfx- wrote: »

No. Karmafaerie. Sure the stars might align and Liverpool might win, but there's no reason to believe seriously it will be any different to the previous 16 - 18/19 even - years.

Liverpool had better teams than mid-table Chelsea all through the 90s and still Owen could only score a consolation goal there. There's the 0-2 lead at HT, which ended 4-2, there's the successive 2 and 3-0 defeats after 30 minutes, the goalkeeper punching the ball into his own net, the red cards, the 4-0 defeat despite being on top and missed penalty, a complete lack of goals before and since Benitez. Every nobody at Chelsea has probably scored at home to Liverpool in the 90s. Even Jesper Gronkjaer scored from 20 yards! One 2-2 draw in 1995 the only point from 1995-2004?

Liverpool simply don't win at Stamford Bridge, even if they had Lionel Messi and David Villa to replace Torres after 61 minutes.

Jazzy wrote: »

is there any opposite to thanking a post here?

liverpool more likely to win at stamford bridge? our past 8 league games there have been 2 draws and 6 defeats. chelsea are scoring for fun without drogba or ballack. mikel has filled essiens shoes brilliantly and is a monster in midfield. chelsea casually beat middlesborough away 5 - 0 and we struggled at home to wigan. we dont have our best attacking threat. chelski havent lost at stamford bridge in.... i dont know actually, but its the current record isnt it? chelsea will have their first choice defence. liverpool dont.


ah yeah sure we'll win cos liverpool are so f'n great and i happen to support them which lets me bypass facts and just spout nonsense. i think we could win 4 - 0 as well with our stevie getting a hat trick of 30-yarders and of course dirk kuyt will dance around carvalho and slot it home past cech in a convincing display of greatness. then im gonna eat a big chocolate ice cream and bang on about stuff on the internet that happens to be close to my heart so i can ignore the truth about that also without looking like im talking absolute sh1te.

:pac: :pac: :pac:

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

'nuff said!!!

Dingatron

I'm as worried about Liverppol as i am hull tbh

lol at that.

Everton 1 - 1 Man Utd

They are the games that we have been criticised for losing/drawing over the last few years. I'd be more worried about what's happing on your own turf tbh.

Liverpool will fade away they don't have the stamina to last the 38 games and will finish in the usuall 3/4th spots.

Previous years I'd agree but it was obvious from Wednesdays game on how it was going to pan out today.

ntlbell

Dingatron wrote: »

lol at that.

Everton 1 - 1 Man Utd

They are the games that we have been criticised for losing over the last few years. I'd be more worried about what's happing on your own turf tbh.



Previous years I'd agree but it was obvious from Wednesdays game on how it was going to pan out today.

we didn't lose?

Fuzzy_Dunlop

It's funny how Sky are now going on about how Chelsea only had teenagers to come in off the bench whereas Arsenal had the likes of Adebayor to make a difference. The complete opposite of what has been the norm over recent times. The injuries to the likes of Drogba and Cole are obviously significant but i do think they are a bit short in terms of their attacking options this season.

Erin Go Brath

I thought Chelsea missed Drogba more than Liverpool missed Torres today. None of the Chelsea attack really put Liverpool under any kind of pressure. Deserved win by Liverpool imo, Alonso unlucky with that free aswell. Liverpool were overrun in the 1st half, but looked more assured and confident as the game went on.

Can Liverpool go on and put a serious challenge for the title now is the big question? They've got a decent run of fixtures for the next few months if im not mistaken. If they take advantage of this they might well be in a very strong position going into the latter end of the season.

ntlbell

when kyut is banging in misskicks and deflected "raspers" are hitting the back of the net why would you miss torres?

ibh

playa3 wrote: »

It's funny how Sky are now going on about how Chelsea only had teenagers to come in off the bench whereas Arsenal had the likes of Adebayor to make a difference. The complete opposite of what has been the norm over recent times. The injuries to the likes of Drogba and Cole are obviously significant but i do think they are a bit short in terms of their attacking options this season.

Erin Go Brath wrote: »

I thought Chelsea missed Drogba more than Liverpool missed Torres today. None of the Chelsea attack really put Liverpool under any kind of pressure. Deserved win by Liverpool imo, Alonso unlucky with that free aswell. Liverpool were overrun in the 1st half, but looked more assured and confident as the game went on.

Can Liverpool go on and put a serious challenge for the title now is the big question? They've got a decent run of fixtures for the next few months if im not mistaken. If they take advantage of this they might well be in a very strong position going into the latter end of the season.

Yea but under Mourhino when Chelsea were behind with Drogba on they just humped long balls up to him in hope really. That is pretty much what they resorted to today as well. 1 or 2 chances aside.
I though Deco showed today what i expected of him. He doesn't like getting hassled by midfielders, he likes his time on the ball. If you give him that time he can be devastating but close him down and harry him and he'll fade out of a game.
I though Mikel was quite decent for Chelsea today. I hate him for some reason, but he seems to have matured in that holding role with Essien out.

RasTa

Time to get out the Liverpool cycle. It might have to be extended this year.

ibh

ntlbell wrote: »

when kyut is banging in misskicks and deflected "raspers" are hitting the back of the net why would you miss torres?

Worried are we??????

You are obviously quite bitter that liverpool are going well, you also seem a bit worried as well. I don't think we'll win it this year but i do see us being in the shake up and maybe ahead of UTD.

Who do you think deserved to win today? Liverpool or Chelsea?

Erin Go Brath

Erin Go Brath wrote: »

Can Liverpool go on and put a serious challenge for the title now is the big question?

Sensible me says it's far too early in the season to say and Liverpool have come unstuck in the most unlikely games in the past and we could get hit by injuries and every team hits a dodgy patch at some stage and we've been here before and fcuked it up blah blah blah.

However inside my head is a little red man bouncing around shouting: BELIEVE!

I refuse to let him out yet though.

5starpool

ntlbell wrote: »

when kyut is banging in misskicks and deflected "raspers" are hitting the back of the net why would you miss torres?

Have you always been a begrudger?

DeadSkin

ntlbell wrote: »

when kyut is banging in misskicks and deflected "raspers" are hitting the back of the net why would you miss torres?

Miskicks, deflected, a goal is a goal is a goal, no? For sure.

Obviously thrilled with the result.
Yes Liverpool can now be seen as decent challengers for the Prem, these are the games where Liverpool failed in past seasons.

ntlbell

ibh wrote: »

Worried are we??????

You are obviously quite bitter that liverpool are going well, you also seem a bit worried as well. I don't think we'll win it this year but i do see us being in the shake up and maybe ahead of UTD.

Who do you think deserved to win today? Liverpool or Chelsea?

Why would I be worried?

If you read my post I was very happy for Liverpool to win today does that sound like I'm worried?

I hope Liverpool are a lot closer I hope Arsenal are closer I hope 5th and 6th spots are a lot closer because as a united fan I'm spoiled with league titles year after year, champions leage prem league double last year...ah...bliss...but when you get so used to these walks in the park it would be nice to have a bit of compeition and I really miss hating liverpool but as they've been so far behind for the last number of years I feel more sorry for them than hate these days so it would be nice to have you a lot closer

worried? not a chance.

Liverpool were by far the better side today and well deserved the win...

ntlbell

5starpool wrote: »

Have you always been a begrudger?

No, but I might start if you's win something to begrudge you off

ntlbell

DeadSkin wrote: »

Miskicks, deflected, a goal is a goal is a goal, no? For sure.

Obviously thrilled with the result.
Yes Liverpool can now be seen as decent challengers for the Prem, these are the games where Liverpool failed in past seasons.

No 13 draws is what failed you in past seasons.

mayordenis

ntlbell wrote: »

when kyut is banging in misskicks and deflected "raspers" are hitting the back of the net why would you miss torres?

you are awesome and fair.

Erin Go Brath

Deleted User wrote: »

Sensible me says it's far too early in the season to say and Liverpool have come unstuck in the most unlikely games in the past and we could get hit by injuries and every team hits a dodgy patch at some stage and we've been here before and fcuked it up blah blah blah.

However inside my head is a little red man bouncing around shouting: BELIEVE!

I refuse to let him out yet though.

I would agree with that, no sense in getting carred away yet. We'll find out in the next few months what this Pool team is really made of. I would be very encouraged by what i've seen so far this season though. I would also be encouraged by Liverpool winning these crunch games (ManU and Chelsea) without their key striker.

Who got man of the match today anyone know? I thought Riera was immense today. A much better buy than Robbie Keane.

MoM given to Carra on Sky Sports. I'd agree with that, although Xabi and Riera were excellent too.

DeadSkin

ntlbell wrote: »

No 13 draws is what failed you in past seasons.

Yes Liverpool drew 13 games last season 2 draws against Chelsea and 2 draws against Arsenal. United beat us twice.
Arsenal drew 11 & Chelsea drew 10.

redout

Chelsea without Drogba or Terry are a totally different side. Reason being they have nobody good enough to replace them. They looked lost out there today, no real threat up front and Liverpool had it quite comfortable.

Erin Go Brath

Deleted User wrote: »

MoM given to Carra on Sky Sports. I'd agree with that, although Xabi and Riera were excellent too.

Carra was a good choice alright.

eZe^

Fairplay to Liverpool, deserved winners. Executed their game plan perfectly.

5starpool

ntlbell wrote: »

Why would I be worried?

If you read my post I was very happy for Liverpool to win today does that sound like I'm worried?

I hope Liverpool are a lot closer I hope Arsenal are closer I hope 5th and 6th spots are a lot closer because as a united fan I'm spoiled with league titles year after year, champions leage prem league double last year...ah...bliss...but when you get so used to these walks in the park it would be nice to have a bit of compeition and I really miss hating liverpool but as they've been so far behind for the last number of years I feel more sorry for them than hate these days so it would be nice to have you a lot closer

worried? not a chance.

Liverpool were by far the better side today and well deserved the win...

Fortune to be made on betfair if you are 100% sure Liverpool will not win the league.

RasTa

5starpool wrote: »

Fortune to be made on betfair if you are 100% sure Liverpool will not win the league.

Why they at a short price or something?

citytillidie

Oh the Irony Chelsea fans moaning about a defleced goal against them when they have the King of deflections in Lampard.

redout

Thats because Lampard just blasts it and hopes for the best. No wonder he has so many deflections, no accuracy hit and hope. If you want accuracy at long range then Steven Gerrard is your man.

walshki

As a pool fan it would be easy to be triumphalist at this stage however to be honest I couldn't give a crap about what united, chelsea or other fans think of our chances for the league so I'm not going to waste time with that.

The reality is that there is more substance to pool this year as clearly displayed - we are not as reliant on one or two players as we were (i.e. Torres and Gerrard). Riera is an excellent addition, Xabi's found form - Masch is great and I think this is clearly effecting Stevie as his play doesn't seem as rushed, he's not always looking for the hollywood pass. There were a lot of occassions where we got forward well with good one touch football and quick movement. Our midfield is performing really well and the good thing is that it still feels like things could get a lot better up front.

It all seems a hell of a lot more sustainable this year.

That being said - like others I'm not going to get carried away about title challenges - I still think we're susceptible to more games like Stoke but I'm a lot more hopeful than I have been in recent years.

Anyway, as said in Kung Fu Panda
'Yesterday is history, tomorrow a mystery but today is a gift, that's why its called the present' so let's enjoy today.

ntlbell

redout wrote: »

Thats because Lampard just blasts it and hopes for the best. No wonder he has so many deflections, no accuracy hit and hope. If you want accuracy at long range then Steven Gerrard is your man.

I would thought people would of wanted more goals regardless of the distance.

Frank for chelsea averages one in three

stevie is one in 5

maybe he needs to brush up on something?

delija_sever029

5starpool wrote: »

Something lost in translation here or am I missing something obvious?

He tryed to say Chelsea fans have only 2 songs for their club,and one of them is "come on Chelsea", bandwagon....

Villain

Liverpool defended well and played some good football although the final ball let them down on a few occasions.

Obviously this will give Liverpool confidence but remember what happened after the United game with Stoke, thats what Liverpool need to stamp out if they want to be fighting for the league title come April.

In fairness to Chelsea the record had to go at some stage and with Drogba, Essien, Ballack and Joe Cole missing it was always going to be hard against a in form Liverpool side with luck on their side (the deflection) but especially when you take 4 of the first 11 out I think they especially missed Joe Cole, Malouda hasn't really produced it in the PL.

Jazzy

i only saw the 2nd half (thank you booze.....) but i thought we did well to contain chelsea. i wasnt nearly as nervous when chelsea were going forward unlike in previous seasons. i think drogba and cole would have provided a harder test but c'est la vie. fantastic work done today, every one of our players was up for it.

its great to be wrong once in a while

ty for the stream btw xavi

mike65

What a pity Dunph wasn't on duty.

Mike

shane86

mike65 wrote: »

What a pity Dunph wasn't on duty.

Mike

Is he ever on bar CL and internationals? Pretty rare for Bill to do the weekend either.

Anyway, great result. If Man U get pushed to fifth by Hull and Arsenal I will touch myself in the middle of the pub.

Soby

6th accutaly:D.villa are ahead of utd too

shane86

Three more losses/draws on the trot coupled with wins for those ahead and Man U are out of the race

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/fixtures/default.stm

Man U to beat West Ham, draw or lose to Hull, same to Arsenal. 20 pts max. Liverpool to win all three. COME ON!!! :pac:

OK, on reflection wont be entirely out, but still, dare we believe it is UEFA cup time?

OPENROAD

redout wrote: »

Thats because Lampard just blasts it and hopes for the best. No wonder he has so many deflections, no accuracy hit and hope. If you want accuracy at long range then Steven Gerrard is your man.

Disagree even as an Arsenal fan I have to acknowledge that Lampard is an excellent player with a great scoring record.


So tell me how many of Lampards goals per season are deflections?

zAbbo

I thought it was a poor game of football, for some of the supposed best players around, with many of them having difficulty getting into the game.

I thought Mikel was quality though, and looks to be developing into a really good player.

Keane was useless, not helped by balls being lumped at him - but Babel was far superior when he came on, just providing the basics of a target man.

A wins a win, and 6 points in the mini league put Liverpool is decent standing.

Liverpool still have the ability to waste all the good work, and rightly so are not held in the same regard as Chelsea or Man U for the title, personally I think we'll come 2nd at best, but results like this show progress - all while not hitting top gear.

It's going to be an interesting season...

redout

OPENROAD wrote: »

Disagree even as an Arsenal fan I have to acknowledge that Lampard is an excellent player with a great scoring record.


So tell me how many of Lampards goals per season are deflections?

Chelsea had quite a few last season, not to say others did not. Then there was the Champions leagur final. Fair enough the goal itself was no deflection but as I remember Essien shot and deflected off two United players (change direction twice), Van Der Sar slipped and the ball fell for Lampard to knock it into an empty net. Talk about luck. Had to guess I would say about 6-8 of his usual 20 a season take a deflection.

Waster

Boggles wrote: »

Your right Karmafaerie, I am going to trust your sterling unbiased well informed opinion and put it all on a Liverpool win.

:rolleyes:

I copied you and backed Liverpool at 10-3. Hope you followed your own advice. The win coupled with Utd drawing has made it one sweet long weekend.

eddiehead

As a Chelsea fan I can have no complaints about today, we were understrength and particularly toothless in attack. Liverpool came to do a job and they did it immensely, they simply couldnt be broken down. I wouldnt go getting ahead of myself saying they'l win the league or anything but this seasons Liverpool is certainly much more resolute and has stronger character than Liverpool in recent seasons. IMO they will be part of a three horse race and they should mount a decent challenge but the winners will ultimitely be United or Chelsea.
The goal today was a stroke of luck, there's no denying that but its all part of the game, no matter how you look at it Liverpool were the better of the 2 sides and fully deserved their win, Chelsea didnt deserve a point today. Xabi Alonso hit the post with a cracking free kick and Babel was in the clear at the end of the best move of the match had he been half a yard quicker, so nobody can chalk this one up to luck.
The record had to come to an end at some point and their really wasnt a better opportunity than today with Chelsea missing 4 key members of the starting 11. TBH Im glad it was Liverpool who did it, their fans are far more bearable than the Mancs:p

eddiehead

redout wrote: »

Talk about luck. Had to guess I would say about 6-8 of his usual 20 a season take a deflection.

Luck my arse