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Harry's January Transfer Targets ?
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28-10-2008 4:13pm#1
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therecklessone wrote: »See my post on the soccer forum charlie, if you count forward from 31st Jan 2008 then 31st Jan 2009 is a year and a day after he signed for Pompey (depending on what time he signed during the day)
And 2008 was a leap year and all...;)
Listening to talk****E right now, and Danny Kelly (Spuds fan I think) said that the FA ruled out a Defoe move already, because his actual transfer from Spurs -> Pompey didn't happen until this summer (If you remember it was originally a loan because it went through an hour or so late on the Jan deadline day). So whatever about it being a year from Feb. he definitely won't be eligible if its a year from June.
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charlie mchugh wrote: »Listening to talk****E right now, and Danny Kelly (Spuds fan I think) said that the FA ruled out a Defoe move already, because his actual transfer from Spurs -> Pompey didn't happen until this summer (If you remember it was originally a loan because it went through an hour or so late on the Jan deadline day). So whatever about it being a year from Feb. he definitely won't be eligible if its a year from June.;);)
may also be a loan deal til a further deal then no?0 -
charlie mchugh wrote: »Listening to talk****E right now, and Danny Kelly (Spuds fan I think) said that the FA ruled out a Defoe move already, because his actual transfer from Spurs -> Pompey didn't happen until this summer (If you remember it was originally a loan because it went through an hour or so late on the Jan deadline day). So whatever about it being a year from Feb. he definitely won't be eligible if its a year from June.;);)
You are right cha', the deal was a loan deal followed by a permanent move.
Your timeline is a bit off though...
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/obscure-rule-hits-defoe-spurs-trip-798908.htmlBy Sam Wallace
Friday, 21 March 2008
Jermain Defoe has been told by the Premier League that he is not eligible to play for Portsmouth against his former club Tottenham at White Hart Lane tomorrow. The England striker has fallen victim to an obscure new rule that was agreed upon by all Premier League clubs at their AGM last summer. It dictates that any player who converts a loan move into a permanent transfer must abide by the rules of the original loan for the rest of the season.
Defoe's move from Spurs to Portsmouth on the transfer window deadline at the end of January was originally a loan – done so in order that the two clubs could complete the paperwork in time. Most loans have the proviso that the player cannot play against the club that holds his registration. In the following week after the transfer window closed the loan was duly upgraded to a permanent transfer for around £7.5m and Defoe became a Portsmouth player.
Players and clubs are allowed to convert loans into permanent moves outside the window because Fifa does not recognise loan moves. The world governing body regards them as the same as a normal transfer.
The 25-year-old would have been able to play against Spurs had he moved originally within January on a permanent deal. Instead, Portsmouth later admitted that they had agreed to a loan as a bridging arrangement while they got all the paperwork in place. With six goals in six games for his new club, Defoe is likely to be missed by Portsmouth.
IIRC, Redknapp was quoted saying something similar on the BBC website just before that game in late March.
Furthermore, and bearing in mind I'm no expert in these matters:
In relation to rule L.19:A Club which transfers or cancels the registration of a Player may not apply to register that Player within a year except with the prior written consent of the Board.
Rule L.1 states:A Player shall not play for a Club in a League Match unless that Club holds his registration with effect from at least one hour before kick-off.
and rule L.20 states:A Player shall not apply to be registered by more than one Club (or club) at any one time and the Secretary shall refuse any application made in breach of this Rule.
Which would suggest that Defoe's registration was held by Pompey from the time the loan agreement was completed, which was within the January transfer window. In addition, the PL rulebooks refers to loans as "temporary transfers", which "mean the transfer of a contract registration effected in accordance with Rules M.6 to M.10"
Unless I'm missing something, that means Defoes registration had to have been held by Pompey by at the very latest 1hr before his first appearance for Pompey in the PL (which was a 3pm kick-off on 2nd Febuary, so therefore at the latest 2pm). Funnily enough, since the 31st of January is a Saturday, the transfer window won't shut until the next working day at a time to be determined by the PL board, which means the window won't close until the 2nd of February...;) If the Independent's article is correct, then the loan move would have to have been submitted by the end of last year's January window anyway.
Unless it's a requirement for a players' registration to be transferred back to the selling club before a loan move can be made permanent, then I don't see how Spurs would be prohibited from resigning Defoe on the last day of the next window.
You little winker...
p.s. here's the rule book if you want to have a look.0 -
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