Anti-Social Behaviour

il gatto

Teaching respect is in the past, a rarity or an aspiration for the future. The simple fact is that there are many young people who have not been taught respect and the law should not turn a blind eye to their behaviour because it was their parents fault for not putting manners on them years ago.
When I was at school, corporal punishment was abolished, but 25 years ago, there was only a vague acknowledgement of this and certain teachers were still likely to dole out some. Even if they didn't there was a certain amount of fear of them. Same with the Gardai. There was none of the softly, softly approach and no such thing as "conflict management". The result was that people had some respect for them.
In conflict situations, respect is in part fear. Whether it's respect between football teams, respect between barristers, respect between armies or respect for authority. Take the fear away and why respect the Gardai?
A well mannered 7 year old girl is nice to see, but that has nothing to do with a 16 year old, drunk, coked up, walking around town with a knife in his pocket. Without a time machine we can't go back and teach them in a gentle way. But because that chance was missed in their youth doesn't mean they are now above the law. Harsh measures is the only thing they will understand.

TequilaMockingBird

I don't get who the missing link is. Kids of 16, would have parents around my age, these would have been my peers growing up. I don't recall them being out of control due to lack of discipline from their parents. So why are they raising (or not) their own kids like this? Surely its mostly a learned behaviour? There was no massive change in society in the 70s or 80s that excuses such a change in morals. It baffles me.



EDIT: All quiet on the Western Front. Although it is Saturday night...

magnumlady

I think some parents really couldn't care less what their kids are up to.
I've heard parents telling their kids to 'f off out of the house'.
If you don't treat you're children with respect then nine times out of ten they won't respect others.

darealtulip

magnumlady wrote: »

If you don't treat you're children with respect then nine times out of ten they won't respect others.

couldnt say it better myself

il gatto

sueme wrote: »

I don't get who the missing link is. Kids of 16, would have parents around my age, these would have been my peers growing up. I don't recall them being out of control due to lack of discipline from their parents. So why are they raising (or not) their own kids like this? Surely its mostly a learned behaviour? There was no massive change in society in the 70s or 80s that excuses such a change in morals. It baffles me.



EDIT: All quiet on the Western Front. Although it is Saturday night...

People have more money to spoil and indulge children these days. They expect so much that denial leads to an embarassing hissy fit, so parents bend easily. Add to that the constant exposure to extravagent lifestyles on television, violence portrayed everywhere, judges who refuse to impose custodial sentences, Gardai who just don't seem to give a damn and "do gooders" castrating authority and lobbying for rights for criminals instead of victims, I suppose it's inevitable. And to be honest, 15-20 years ago, the average Irish 16 year old found it tricky to score some hash. Nowadays any teenager could probably procure coke, ecstasy, crystal meth or even heroin pretty easily, and moreover have the money to pay for it.
Ireland started from a low crime base. Because our figures were consistantly better than other European countries, the powers that be smuggly referred to the figures when people gave out about crime, rather than nipping it in the bud. Seems they woke up one day and the sh1t had hit the fan. Maybe the IRA weren't doling out the punishment beatings and knee-cappings anymore:rolleyes:
Still, it's reassuring to know that while people are selling hard drugs on the streets, people are being beaten up at random by gangs of drunk thugs and propety is being stolen or destroyed, the Gardai are busy squinting at my tax disc by torch light on some lonely country road.

slapbangwhallop

Xiney wrote: »

I lived in Sligo for a year minus two weeks.


In that time I was:

- assaulted by a drunk student: while walking home arm and arm with my husband along the Mall by the hospital, a student reached out and grabbed my breast. Mr. Xiney didn't notice until I stopped to call the gardai, who, fair play, based on my description stopped the guy and gave him a strong caution. Were this incident to have occurred later in my residency I probably would have opted to have him arrested, but this was my first month and I treated it as a giant anomally.

- forced due to my moral and ethical compass to quit a job

- assaulted again, this time by children throwing snow balls which were really more like balls of ice

- assaulted by a car full of drunk students who threw a bottle at me as I cycled home from work and shouted abuse at me

- shouted at by students on several other occasions while cycling home from work, including one time when a drunk girl attempted to grab my bicycle (I was walking home from the pub with Mr Xiney) and another time when another drunk girl walking towards me decided to play chicken (after swerving once, I kept going straight, it was going to hurt her more than me, until her friend pulled her out of the way)



I don't even like going out at night in Ireland. I'm always afraid something is going to happen.

30 years in Sligo - born and bred - and I have never ONCE had any random act of violence or harrassment etc committed against me.

But seem to have been plagued and you didnt even live here a year - have you ever asked yourself why you attract so much trouble?

TequilaMockingBird

slapbangwhallop wrote: »

have you ever asked yourself why you attract so much trouble?

Yes Xiney, what did you do to the poor scumbags?! :rolleyes:

il gatto

slapbangwhallop wrote: »

30 years in Sligo - born and bred - and I have never ONCE had any random act of violence or harrassment etc committed against me.

But seem to have been plagued and you didnt even live here a year - have you ever asked yourself why you attract so much trouble?

Hard to see what a girl in her early twenties would do to attract any of that to herself. Maybe it's not actually her fault?
In thirty years I've been spat on, verbally abused and punched in the head once, all totally random. I look average, average height, average dresser. No reason to attract anything in particular. The vast majority of people I know have the same sorts of experiences and worse.
Maybe you should just be thankful you've gotten away this long without any hassle.

slapbangwhallop

il gatto wrote: »

Hard to see what a girl in her early twenties would do to attract any of that to herself. Maybe it's not actually her fault?
In thirty years I've been spat on, verbally abused and punched in the head once, all totally random. I look average, average height, average dresser. No reason to attract anything in particular. The vast majority of people I know have the same sorts of experiences and worse.
Maybe you should just be thankful you've gotten away this long without any hassle.

maybe its because I am a card carrying fully paid up knacker and know who might usually be those that coulkd be the ones to cause trouble.

p.s. what all this "skanger" business!!! it's knackers or gypos if yer from Sligo

Big_Mac

slapbangwhallop wrote: »

maybe its because I am a card carrying fully paid up knacker

say what now?

takola

We're not going to have this thread dragged off-topic.

I've never had any particularly bad experiences in Sligo. As slapbangwallop said, I would know the people who would be best to avoid and would tend to be able to when necessary. I've been very lucky.

I don't think Xiney would do anything to draw trouble upon herself. I think it's more likely to be a case of being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

elshambo

Results of a study in britain this week

People think teenagers/children are responsible for 50% of crimes commited

they are responsible for less than 12% of crimes commited

<snip>

il gatto

Low level scumbaggery is seldom recorded as actual crime. <snip>

Xiney

slapbangwhallop wrote: »

have you ever asked yourself why you attract so much trouble?

Yeah, I did wonder.


I came to the conclusion that I should be allowed to walk home at 10pm arm in arm with my husband after having a nice dinner to celebrate my new job.

I came to the conclusion that I shouldn't be forced to commit fraud in the line of my job.

I came to the conclusion that riding a bicycle shouldn't make me a target for missiles and abuse.


etc.


It's not like I said anything to them to make them feel like treating me differently - which means they treated me like they'd treat anyone. And that's ****ty.



[I do think it's a bit ironic that I'm the mod of the Sligo forum when I'm actually not too fond of my experience living there]

il gatto

She quoted the Beatles. Stone her, stone her. Oh wait...:D

gino85

my dads car was stolen from withen the driveway

another car was saverly damaged when a piller cap was thrown on it(was linked to the same person who stole the first car)

sumone also tried to burn out my dads van

my mothers car was burned out during the summer

now ive got 2 cars sitting outside the house and one aint insured since ive only just bought it, i hope to god my new one aint touched because ive just payed €250 to get some body work done on her lol

ive had some abuse thrown at me a couple of times but i just laugh and kept walking on, they wouldn't dare try anything other than that

Xiney

gino85 wrote: »

now ive got 2 cars sitting outside the house and one aint insured since ive only just bought it, i hope to god my new one aint touched because ive just payed €250 to get some body work done on her lol

insurance > body work imo


I mean, priorities...

gino85

Xiney wrote: »

insurance > body work imo


I mean, priorities...

i got the car and brought it straight out to get the bodywork done, but as a 23y/o male it would cost me a fortune to insure 2 cars that are 1.9tdi's and i aint recieved the change of ownership yet

irishlostboy

i used to work in a late night food establishment. i can tell you i have seen and been involved in the kind of stuff which would put most places to shame. i have seen someone hit in the face with a hammer while he was asleep at the table. I and the other staff were repetedly attacked and threatened. customers were regularly attacked outside the place.
but the root of the problem is much, much worse. it is the garda. a fair few of them are corrupt to hell. i know of several high-up garda (detectives) who (alegedly. dont do drugs myself, but know enough who do) are actively involved in the drugs situation.
the other cops are just too scared to do anything about the troublemakers, and are too low down the ladder to be in a position to do anything about the corruption.

one instance had me being attacked in work by a member of the <snip> family, while a whole lot of them were in getting their not-really-food. cops were called. in front of the officers, said <snip> proceded to tell me he was going to burn my house down and kill me. i addressed the garda in question and asked him what he was going to do about this, and he said "do about what? i heard nothing". the next day i went to the station to make a statement. i was taken to an interview room, where i was asked not to make a statement. i insisted that i wished to make the statement. the garda then refused to take my statement outright and asked me to leave. i was escorted to the front desk where i asked the garda on the desk would he take a statement. every garda in the place refused to talk to me.

another one was on one sunday night, about 3:30am. we were locking up the shop, when one customer woke up and attacked a member of staff (turns out he was on PCP) we threw him out the door, and locked the door, hoping he would go away in a few minutes. there were still two customers in the shop, and we told them to hang on a few minutes till this nutter went away. he didn't go away. he kept kicking the door and windows. we called the garda. the guy eventually figured out his boots would not get him through the glass, so he ran off for a few seconds and returned with a wooden delivery pallet. he used this as a battering ram, and started to make progress on ingress. we called the police again, and again, to be told that they were on their way (we were around the corner from them, less than 5 minutes walk) it eventually took 40 minutes for them to arrive. (after some nosing around we found out that they were not busy, merely sitting in the station waiting for it all to be over) they arrived with the lights flashing and the nutter ran off, beating up two other people who were walking home before the cops caught him. he was in the shop three days later again, threatening to "get" us, and laughing his head off about it.

i could go on, and on. between what i have seen, and what i have heard during my time i could write a book. i could tell you which millionare businessman of sligo has illegal assault weapons in his house, and owns a small plane which makes interesting journeys to europe. not for holidays.
or how about the interesting tale of the brothel where you can meet all kinds of familiar faces? or maybe the nephew of a politician who got in trouble with a young girl, but did not even get near the police station?

sueme wrote: »

I think the bad guys are winning. People are afraid to say anything.

this is the truth. first off, realise who the bad guys are. they are not just the guys in tracksuits selling coke in envy. second off, things have gone way too far for "saying" anything. anyone in a place where they can actually do anything will refuse to listen.
i no longer live in sligo, and hopefully wlil never have to live in the town again in my life. the countryside of sligo is beautiful, and i will hopefully one day raise a family there. i still live in (vain) hope that the actual residents and locals (the people who actually have a voice and community) of the town take a good hard look at the level of crime they support through ignoring the problem. the price of such permisive ignorance will be paid, with interest, eventually. anyway, i hope this post gives people of sligo something to think about. if you think i am lying, ask yourself why would I? i dont even live there anymore. merely visit occasionally. main reason i can say this now is, there is no one left in sligo belonging to me. (and because upon reading the thread memories came boiling up and had to be vented)
anyway. take care.

CSC

Interesting post. I have a feeling there is a lot more to the post than you are able to write.
I agree there is a problem with anti social behaviour in the town. I'm not so sure is it getting worse though; I remember hanging around in Cranmore as a kid years ago and things were pretty bad then.

irishlostboy

CSC wrote: »

Interesting post. I have a feeling there is a lot more to the post than you are able to write.
I agree there is a problem with anti social behaviour in the town. I'm not so sure is it getting worse though; I remember hanging around in Cranmore as a kid years ago and things were pretty bad then.

ya, there is buckets more i can write. sooo much more. but enough is enough, and i said too much. :rolleyes:
yea, sligo is not quite as bad as it was for day-to-day antisocial behaviour. but for serious organised crime it is a bad as ever.

bins

Sligored

you must have worked in abrakebabra which imo should be closed after midnight as all it is is a meeting place for gougers and troublemakers.

you have made a lot of observations and ask the lay people of sligo to do something about it. what can we do.

i also note that no guard in sligo would take a statement from you. that if you dont mind my french that is bulls***.

if you went on local radio or national radio with this insinuation heads would roll in sligo garda station. obviously you just dropped it then so therefore what sort of example have you set to the lay people of sligo . there is also a complaints board against garda behaviour which you chose to ignore.

you must practice what you preach. all your examples of bad behaviour have come from a late night takeaway where mongrels meet.

i know there are serious crime problems in sligo but i would not dream of going near grattan st/john st after 2am in the morning but this is the situation in a number of the cities i have frequented.

takola

Sligored wrote: »

you must have worked in abrakebabra which imo should be closed after midnight as all it is is a meeting place for gougers and troublemakers.

you have made a lot of observations and ask the lay people of sligo to do something about it. what can we do.

i also note that no guard in sligo would take a statement from you. that if you dont mind my french that is bulls***.

if you went on local radio or national radio with this insinuation heads would roll in sligo garda station. obviously you just dropped it then so therefore what sort of example have you set to the lay people of sligo . there is also a complaints board against garda behaviour which you chose to ignore.

you must practice what you preach. all your examples of bad behaviour have come from a late night takeaway where mongrels meet.

i know there are serious crime problems in sligo but i would not dream of going near grattan st/john st after 2am in the morning but this is the situation in a number of the cities i have frequented.

Have to agree.

I also think that the stories you could tell us are merely that. Stories. Idle gossip you hear in every town. Unless you have proof of it I wouldn't be listening to it.

Posted edited to delete names. Please don't name names as if the wrong person reads it, it could end up getting boards into trouble.

irishlostboy

lol. ya, sure. so on one hand, stories are stories until proof is provided. on the other hand, lets delete any names. lmao. like i said, i dont care one way or the other. i am not going to live in the town again.
regards garda refusing to take a statement, it is true, whether you like to believe so or not. i was not alone in the interview room or the station. but what is proof apart from whatever you want to believe. some garda says something, it is true. lol. its all black and white until you or yours are in the middle of it.
as regards proof.... take a look along the main streets of sligo. count all the security camreas. now find out how many violent crimes have been unpunished that have occured on said same streets. all those cameras record lovely crisp images. they all get put to tape. (or probably hard drive these days)
lol, take it as just stories if it helps you sleep at night and be entertained by the fun of it all. or take it for what ever you like.

takola

irishlostboy wrote: »

lol. ya, sure. so on one hand, stories are stories until proof is provided. on the other hand, lets delete any names. lmao. like i said, i dont care one way or the other. i am not going to live in the town again.
regards garda refusing to take a statement, it is true, whether you like to believe so or not. i was not alone in the interview room or the station. but what is proof apart from whatever you want to believe. some garda says something, it is true. lol. its all black and white until you or yours are in the middle of it.
as regards proof.... take a look along the main streets of sligo. count all the security camreas. now find out how many violent crimes have been unpunished that have occured on said same streets. all those cameras record lovely crisp images. they all get put to tape. (or probably hard drive these days)
lol, take it as just stories if it helps you sleep at night and be entertained by the fun of it all. or take it for what ever you like.

I love how you ignored the points made in both of our posts. :rolleyes:

sligored wrote:

i also note that no guard in sligo would take a statement from you. that if you dont mind my french that is bulls***.

if you went on local radio or national radio with this insinuation heads would roll in sligo garda station. obviously you just dropped it then so therefore what sort of example have you set to the lay people of sligo . there is also a complaints board against garda behaviour which you chose to ignore.

you must practice what you preach. all your examples of bad behaviour have come from a late night takeaway where mongrels meet.

You may want to actually read what was said there. Practice what you preach.

Also, I deleted the names from your post because if the wrong person was to read your post they could bring boards.ie to court for slander. I'm asked as moderator to make sure that nothing slanderous is posted on the forum. That's in the charter, I suggest you take a look!

I was actually saying that the stories you could tell, these ones:

irishlostboy wrote:

i could go on, and on. between what i have seen, and what i have heard during my time i could write a book. i could tell you which millionare businessman of sligo has illegal assault weapons in his house, and owns a small plane which makes interesting journeys to europe. not for holidays.
or how about the interesting tale of the brothel where you can meet all kinds of familiar faces? or maybe the nephew of a politician who got in trouble with a young girl, but did not even get near the police station?

Are merely that. Of course it is quite possible that you were involved in each and every one of these incidents but that would have me raising my eyebrows at you tbh.

I would take it with quite a large pinch of salt myself. But I'm just that kind of person and the town gossip never really did interest me.

dardevle

Sligored wrote: »

if you went on local radio or national radio with this insinuation heads would roll in sligo garda station. obviously you just dropped it then so therefore what sort of example have you set to the lay people of sligo . there is also a complaints board against garda behaviour which you chose to ignore.

.

would i be correct in saying that this is the course of action
that both you and Takola would take in similar circumstances?
if so then you are both to be commended for your courage.
I myself don't think that the majority of lay people would be willing
to follow through with such a time consuming process as the
complaints comission,over the refusal to take a statement,
and even if upheld hardly think the outcome would lead to heads
rolling.

Sligored

dardevle wrote: »

would i be correct in saying that this is the course of action
that both you and Takola would take in similar circumstances?
if so then you are both to be commended for your courage.
I myself don't think that the majority of lay people would be willing
to follow through with such a time consuming process as the
complaints comission,over the refusal to take a statement,
and even if upheld hardly think the outcome would lead to heads
rolling.

this is the person who came on here wanting the people of sligo to stand up and do something to stop the criminality and he chose to drop his chance to do something about it at the first alleged setback. HYPOCRITE i say

dardevle

there are several pages of this thread already filled with
anecdotal evidence as to the ongoing social problems of Sligo town,
these pages are also testament to the ineffectiveness of the gardai
in dealing with these issues.
the original post by irishlostboy imo is further evidence of this,and although his post is somewhat emotional i accept his experiences of
antisocial behaviour the same as the other accounts.

on the otherhand sligored, you seem to have singled him out for
personal attack...is this because he tried to the right thing in the first instance by reporting an attack to the authorities,for opting not to go further when met with resistance from the same or is it because he worked in an establishment that fuels this behaviour.
finally in your original post you asked"what can we do" and yet
you call someone who attempted to do somthing about it a
hypocrite

Sligored

the point of his thread was that the people of sligo should do something about it. what does he want us to do.

i have already accepted the criminal problem.

do you believe that the guards refused to take a statement from him.

all his examples are from a late night takeaway.

i was in bundoran late on a saturday night 3 weeks ago for a wedding and it was like beirut in the bad days

What can i do to solve the current criminal problems. maybe a few vigilante gangs might be the answer. if irishlostboy cant answer this maybe you as his spokesman can