Alas! The internet is about to be censored!

rexusdiablos

Hi freinds, it begins...

In short Australia is about to implement a national censoring of the internet to fall in line with the Federal Goverment. As you all may anticipate this will hinder online freedom of speech and subjectivity :mad:.

The plan has been defined as a counter-measure that combats illiicit pornography, and filters topics such as euthanasia and anorexia.

Google, Microsoft, Yahoo, the System Administrators Guild of Australia and Electronic Frontiers Australia are opposing the initiative before congress.

Here's the full link: http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,24568137-2862,00.html

Nick_oliveri

There are many applications that such content can be accessed, therefore bypassing such a filter. If what you are saying is true and it will filter out subjects like euthanasia and anorexia this is political filtering and such a filter is already employed by some states (the most notable being china).

**** it, if the people dont stand up and raise murders then let it pass. It was the same with the EU internet spying law. That is in effect now here and in other countries. We cared not with that, i see a similar pattern emerging. It'll quieten down, and people will accept it.

Why is this in conspiracy theories?

Hi freinds, it begins...

It began a long time ago.

GhostInTheRuins

Interesting, it doesn't actually say what they're censoring (If it goes ahead) just "all illegal material"

Also, the only group to agree with it are the australian christian lobby lol.

rexusdiablos

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

There are many applications that such content can be accessed, therefore bypassing such a filter. If what you are saying is true and it will filter out subjects like euthanasia and anorexia this is political filtering and such a filter is already employed by some states (the most notable being china).

**** it, if the people dont stand up and raise murders then let it pass. It was the same with the EU internet spying law. That is in effect now here and in other countries. We cared not with that, i see a similar pattern emerging. It'll quieten down, and people will accept it.

Why is this in conspiracy theories?


It began a long time ago.

Good question Nick. The internet is relatively the least biased and most liberal medium of communication when starkly diverged against the vessels of the mainstream media (CNN, Irish Independent N&M etc.)

Anyone who believes in the merit of New World Order conspiracies will apreciate that the internet is truly the publics last line of defense in terms of unbridled communiqué.

(btw I'm familiar with the censoring of Falun Dafa in China. Two of my freinds were deported)

rexusdiablos

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Interesting, it doesn't actually say what they're censoring (If it goes ahead) just "all illegal material"

Also, the only group to agree with it are the australian christian lobby lol.

Exactly. Note the same flavour of ambiguity as deployed in the bail-out and Lisbon Treaty.

Nick_oliveri

Here you go rex.
http://www.digitalrights.ie/2006/09/14/dri-brings-legal-action-over-mass-surveillance/
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/0604/1212513046233.html
(in effect)

http://www.digitalrights.ie/2008/10/14/data-retention-advocate-general-recommends-irish-government-challenge-should-be-rejected/

rexusdiablos

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Here you go rex.
http://www.digitalrights.ie/2006/09/14/dri-brings-legal-action-over-mass-surveillance/
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/0604/1212513046233.html
(in effect)

http://www.digitalrights.ie/2008/10/14/data-retention-advocate-general-recommends-irish-government-challenge-should-be-rejected/

Thanks Nick! :pac:

Nick was kind enough to provide the above links eludicating how the analogical ball is already in motion. The following surmises the content of each:

First link: DRI has retaliated against the Irish Government by way of High Court. This concerns the logging of telephone calls, emails and online access. This Data Retention Directive is clearly a breach of our constitution.

Second link: An elaboration of the above. Furthermore it highlights the logging of SMS messaging and the locating of Irish citizens via SMS. The gardai request such information 300 times a day without warrant (10,000 per annum).

Third link: The Advocate General of the European Court of Justice ignores the challenge. Germany is launching a similar case against data retention.



Its time to divert our gaze away from States and pry into the mess within our midst.

Toiletroll

We need to stand up... NWO is out in the open now and all it will cause is poverty and restriction. Why the f uck would we want it???

Run_to_da_hills

Our days of anonymous internet browsing are numbered. I mentioned in a previous post that it will not be long until we will be all assigned with an individual administration code to get on line.

The code will be based on your PPS/social security number from your national ID or passport. The global authorities will draft this in as a "positive measure" in the interest of "fighting Global Terror" "Internet fraud" "illegal downloading", and combating child pornography.

In China one must give photo ID to access the internet in any net café. The computer you use is logged with your ID, same is inevitable in Europe.

For those who think they can escape by logging into free wifi hot spots you can be tracked to within 15 feet by Cell site analysis similar to mobile phones or to a proxy server, ie the Bus or Train that you are using free WIFI.

In America IT offender's can be barred from PC access for several years by court order, It could well happen here to those that try to hack the system or log into unauthorized WIFI accounts.

Toiletroll

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Our days of anonymous internet browsing are numbered. I mentioned in a previous post that it will not be long until we will be all assigned with an individual administration code to get on line.

The code will be based on your PPS/social security number from your national ID or passport. The global authorities will draft this in as a "positive measure" in the interest of "fighting Global Terror" "Internet fraud" "illegal downloading", and combating child pornography.

In China one must give photo ID to access the internet in any net café. The computer you use is logged with your ID, same is inevitable in Europe.

For those who think they can escape by logging into free wifi hot spots you can be tracked to within 15 feet by Cell site analysis similar to mobile phones or to a proxy server, ie the Bus or Train that you are using free WIFI.

In America IT offender's can be barred from PC access for several years by court order, It could well happen here to those that try to hack the system or log into unauthorized WIFI accounts.

If we keep away from the Lisbon BS.. Wasnt this a part of that?

Run_to_da_hills

Toiletroll wrote: »

If we keep away from the Lisbon BS.. Wasnt this a part of that?

It won't make a difference as it will be global and will be drafted in overnight just like the security E_tagging of Irish passports.

rexusdiablos

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

It won't make a difference as it will be global and will be drafted in overnight just like the security E_tagging of Irish passports.

And just why are we allowing this to pass?

We only have ourselves to blame as passivists hiding our surpressed frustations behind online pseudonyms and avatars. We'll live out our final days longing to turn back a cruel clock to a time when we could have intervened.

Run_to_da_hills

It may not be too far away at all, How long left before ratification date for Ireland, Poland and Chez? :eek:

Nick_oliveri

Awesome resurrection mate...

Run_to_da_hills

Nick_oliveri wrote: »

Awesome resurrection mate...

I waited almost a year for it.

King Mob

Huh it's been a year since this thread started and it's still "about to happen".
No chance of a definite amount of time?
Or is this one of those things like RFID that will always be "about to happen"?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

Huh it's been a year since this thread started and it's still "about to happen".
No chance of a definite amount of time?
Or is this one of those things like RFID that will always be "about to happen"?

Again we didn't hear about project Indect until last month. :rolleyes:

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Again we didn't hear about project Indect until last month. :rolleyes:

So how long are we to wait till the internet is censored then?

Was the original post wrong in saying it was "about" to happen when it's been a year?

bikeblues

It is going to happen - the plan is to supply the web on a TV like basis - you pay for ISP access and you get only the sites the isp are allowed to let you go to .

end users have no control over web access - its easy to censor it .

its not like ham radio in the old days - anyone could do that - we may return to it yet.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

So how long are we to wait till the internet is censored then?

Was the original post wrong in saying it was "about" to happen when it's been a year?

One of the big barriers about Internet Censorship is who is going to police it, It has been successfully policed in communist block countries such as China where you have to produce proper ID before you get on line in an internet cafe.

We are getting very close to the unification of the Euro block and we damn sure the topic will come up and will be brought to the EU Parliament in due course.

More then likely policing will come under the guise of "fighting terrorism" "unlawful spam" "child porn" and "internet crime" the solution would be obvious. Log on administration access code for each person, strict penalties for breach of conduct such as hacking, illegal downloading etc. Penalties would include internet bans, fines and imprisonment and it would not take much to track culprits through their IP's and service providers.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

One of the big barriers about Internet Censorship is who is going to police it, It has been successfully policed in communist block countries such as China where you have to produce proper ID before you get on line in an internet cafe.

We are getting very close to the unification of the Euro block and we damn sure the topic will come up and will be brought to the EU Parliament in due course.

More then likely policing will come under the guise of "fighting terrorism" "unlawful spam" "child porn" and "internet crime" the solution would be obvious. Log on administration access code for each person, strict penalties for breach of conduct such as hacking, illegal downloading etc. Penalties would include internet bans, fines and imprisonment and it would not take much to track culprits through their IP's and service providers.

This has been "about to happen" and "very close" for a pretty long time now.
And I get the feeling it's going to be "very close" for a long while still.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

This has been "about to happen" and "very close" for a pretty long time now.
And I get the feeling it's going to be "very close" for a long while still.

As long as it takes Ireland, Poland and Chez to ratify the treaty so as to give the 27 nation bloc more influence in global affairs. :rolleyes:

Mac daddy

This is very old news and it's still being worked on at the moment
http://www.internet2.edu/news/

With its 32-bit size, TCP/IP has room for 4.3 billion addresses. That may seem like a lot until you realize that one-third are currently accounted for and another third of that pie is claimed but not in use.

IDC said there will be 17 billion devices connected to the Internet by 2012.
The switch over is due to take place either early 2011/2012

The solution is to move to IPv6 (define), which has 128-bit addresses and a new internet2 that is regulated.

squod

Didn't those crazy Europeans try this before? I seem to remember them applying for control of the internet some time ago from the American legislators.

Run_to_da_hills

squod wrote: »

Didn't those crazy Europeans try this before? I seem to remember them applying for control of the internet some time ago from the American legislators.

You can be guaranteed much of this control will be financed by the entertainment industries who in turn will be looking for results. Its impossible to police a system when there is so much anonymity about.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

As long as it takes Ireland, Poland and Chez to ratify the treaty so as to give the 27 nation bloc more influence in global affairs. :rolleyes:

So then when the treaty is ratified then these things will happen immediately?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

So then when the treaty is ratified then these things will happen immediately?

Rome wasn't built in a day :rolleyes:

They have a platform to work off.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Rome wasn't built in a day :rolleyes:

They have a platform to work off.

Any chance you can point out the part of the treaty that allows them to do that? I ask this but I doubt you'll answer.

The thing you're missing is that you've been saying stuff like this for quite a while.
Have you considered that reason this is, is because it isn't going to happen?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

Any chance you can point out the part of the treaty that allows them to do that? I ask this but I doubt you'll answer.

The thing you're missing is that you've been saying stuff like this for quite a while.
Have you considered that reason this is, is because it isn't going to happen?

Did the Nazi's state anything about gassing jews when they first took office in 1933? :rolleyes:

Just like the above the EU Parliament can make the rules as it goes along as it has been doing for years only difference now been is that it will be law in all 27 nations (Unless a specific nation has an amendment as Ireland has with abortion).

thecommander

Any idea roughly when this will happen? How long is soon?

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did the Nazi's state anything about gassing jews when they first took office in 1933? :rolleyes:

Just like the above the EU Parliament can make the rules as it goes along as it has been doing for years only difference now been is that it will be law in all 27 nations (Unless a specific nation has an amendment as Ireland has with abortion).

So that's a no on both questions then.

Can you at least hazard a guess when this will happen?

Or are you afraid your theory might be falsified?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

So that's a no on both questions then.

Can you at least hazard a guess when this will happen?

Or are you afraid your theory might be falsified?

Censorship has started already. :eek:

Mac daddy

Pirate Bay works fine for me

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Censorship has started already. :eek:

Thats moreso Eircom thinking they're saving their own arses. They're afraid record labels will sue them if they don't comply with their wishes. You picked a very weak example.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Censorship has started already. :eek:

But that's not the censorship you were claiming at the start of the thread or in subsequent posts.

More then likely policing will come under the guise of "fighting terrorism" "unlawful spam" "child porn" and "internet crime" the solution would be obvious. Log on administration access code for each person, strict penalties for breach of conduct such as hacking, illegal downloading etc. Penalties would include internet bans, fines and imprisonment and it would not take much to track culprits through their IP's and service providers.

This for example.
When exactly will this happen?

That's a very far cry from what eircom are doing.

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

This for example.
When exactly will this happen?

With recent chilling revelations like this It could happen sooner than later. :eek:

Mac daddy wrote: »

Pirate Bay works fine for me

Works fine with me pending which Wifi I hook up to

Stainless_Steel

King Mob wrote: »

But that's not the censorship you were claiming at the start of the thread or in subsequent posts.

This for example.
When exactly will this happen?

That's a very far cry from what eircom are doing.

Sorry but your posts are very annoying. I'm not saying you should jump on every conspiracy bandwagon...but your only interest seems to be to shoot down those that have an interest in this forum.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

With recent chilling revelations like this It could happen sooner than later. :eek:

You're not listening at all.

You and other people have been saying "soon" for years.

Why can't you give a definite time frame?

Run_to_da_hills

King Mob wrote: »

You're not listening at all.

You and other people have been saying "soon" for years.

Why can't you give a definite time frame?

Best answer to that: watch this space.

King Mob

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Best answer to that: watch this space.

So you can give a definite time frame?
If that's the case how can you know it's "soon"?

thecommander

King Mob wrote: »

So you can give a definite time frame?
If that's the case how can you know it's "soon"?

File it with end of earth & the Reckoning. Soon, but not too soon.

Mahatma coat

King Mob wrote: »

So you can give a definite time frame?
If that's the case how can you know it's "soon"?

Its happening right now,

'terrorists' are being monitored and coerced along on the web

Pedophiles are being tracked and entrapped by undercover operations

lots of 'security' measures have been put in place to 'protect' us from Internet fraud etc


these measures are being incrementaly foisted off on us, no individual piece of legislation raises an eyebrow as they are by themselves small, however when you look at the overall picture its impossible to ignore what RTdH is saying.

thecommander

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Its happening right now,

'terrorists' are being monitored and coerced along on the web

Pedophiles are being tracked and entrapped by undercover operations

lots of 'security' measures have been put in place to 'protect' us from Internet fraud etc


these measures are being incrementaly foisted off on us, no individual piece of legislation raises an eyebrow as they are by themselves small, however when you look at the overall picture its impossible to ignore what RTdH is saying.

Those poor terrorists and pedophiles, they always get hard done by.

What measures have been put in that are harmful to us? Internet fraud cost billions a year when you take everything into account, which we end up paying for. So how is stopping it harmful?

So what you pointed out is a far throw from censorship. Other than Eircom blocking TPB and China's firewall, is there anything else being censored? Or is going to happen soon...

Mahatma coat

The Terroristys and Pedophiles are Pawns in the game, they are the 'Evil Bogeymen' a group of people that most would have no sympathy for, however they still have rights, people applaud the police forces when they lie and coerce these people into breaking the law, think about Infiltrators into the Northern Irish scene in the eighties, from all accounts most of the major terrorist operations were spurred on by Inteligence service infiltrators intent on raising their profile. its the same sort of thing on the internet nowadays, a lot of the Terrorists and pedophiles are being tricked and entrapped, now a lot of people see nothing wrong with this after all they are ONLY doing it to Terrrruristss and Kiddiefiddlers.

the point is it wouldnt take much for me to 'alledge' that you were a kiddifiddlin Terrurist, now would it??

espinolman

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

With recent chilling revelations like this It could happen sooner than later. :eek:

Look what is says in there

Just like in the novel,1984, the EU's project aim is to detect any abnormal behavior on forums,

'abnormal behavior' what would that be ?

johnnyskeleton

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

In China one must give photo ID to access the internet in any net café. The computer you use is logged with your ID, same is inevitable in Europe.

Having been in PR China, I wasn't asked for ID to use the internet. You just give them a few quid and off you go.

Given the amount of time it has taken for them to try to regulate the internet, if censorship was imposed I'm confident that technology will move too quickly ahead and move into some other format.