Most depressing street/area to walk down in the city?

puntosporting

RonMexico wrote: »

Hospitable area? Maybe if you are a begging wino perhaps.

Here is some advice ,if you dont like an area stay away from it!
Or maybe wear a nappy when you must pass through for fear of ****ting yourself!
Seriously its not afganastan(spelling)?
Im hearing such negative vibes all based on peoples perception!
Has anyone been mugged in these areas on this thread or assaulted or anything?
Or is it just gut wrenching to look at those dastardly buildings how could anyone live like that?!!!

Limerick Dude

Yeah there are a few ugly and unpleasant streets in Limerick but not as bad as some in Dublin.

I cant stand walking down abbey st. in Dublin, luas stop is there so im always walking on it.

Heroin Junkies EVERYWHERE, bums sleeping in the middle of the footpaths, way worse than Limerick tbh.

brousuka

bazz26 wrote: »

The scobes do like their chips and battered sausages from the Golden Grill though.

I would personally prefer to be tied to a cows tail and scuttered to death, or, go to Afghanistan with Ross Kemp before i would ever venture anywhere near that $hithole area again. Limerick Civic Trust please note.

brousuka

puntosporting wrote: »

Has anyone been mugged in these areas on this thread or assaulted or anything?
Or is it just gut wrenching to look at those dastardly buildings how could anyone live like that?!!!

It's like this: I havent actually been mugged or assaulted in this area but I have felt intimitated and have been verbally abused among the backdrop of dastardadly buildings in a city where I have lived, paid taxes and worked and tried to improve for the past 30 years. My original post still stands... the most depressing area in Limerick (inner) City

brousuka

puntosporting wrote: »

Here is some advice ,if you dont like an area stay away from it!
Or maybe wear a nappy when you must pass through for fear of ****ting yourself!


Thats typical, fcucking charming!

vkid

Area all around train station is a disgrace
William Street is awful,
Patrick St and lower O'Connell Street
Denmark Street
the bit between the Market and Instore
Upper Catherine Street
Nicholas Street

Someone made the point that shop fronts etc are very dirty and run down and I would certainly agree. A few retailers should be shot for the state of their premises. A lick of paint isnt that expensive and it surely can't be that hard to keep the area outside your shop clean. Especially on O'Connel Street and William Street. two main streets..The bus stops on those streets don't help the perceived anti social element either imo...especially on William Street.

Like the way Henry Street looks though at the moment and Bedford Row/Thomas Street is some bit of improvement. I think its only when you go away from Limerick and come back that you realise how run down the place actually is.

talkingclock

vkid wrote: »

I think its only when you go away from Limerick and come back that you realise how run down the place actually is.

i totally and absolutely agree! those who glorify that place as ireland's most beautyful spot probably never left the city's boudaries...

BarryCreed

Luigis do the best chips in town though!!
I would say it's more the heads who are hanging around by the station (off licence) than the people living around there, if that makes sense....

vkid

talkingclock wrote: »

i totally and absolutely agree! those who glorify that place as ireland's most beautyful spot probably never left the city's boudaries...

Dont get me wrong..

I've great time for the city and try not to be negative about the place but people need to open their eyes a bit to the state of the city centre. Its still for the most part...a dump..that needs a LOT of work to restore it to what it should be like..and the retilers and business people have a lot to answer for in that regard imo

Raiser

Colbert Station and the subsequent journey in any direction into Limerick City is enough to make most visitors who have been unlucky enough to arrive by train or bus run back to the ticket desk to escape........

RonMexico

I had the unfortunate experience of meeting a friend from the states off a train recently and as we walked out of the station the first thing he notices is two guys beating the **** out of each other in the middle of the street outside Charlie St. Georges. The area and the scum that hang around there are a disgrace.

Karmafaerie

It's amazing how some people can be so ill informed, and yet have such massive oppinions.

Parnell St is part of the orbital route to be completed once the pedestrianisation of O'Connel St starts.
No work can be done there untill this is completed, but will be as soon as it is.
Also the new bus station has to be taken into acc, as it will have a massive impact.

William St is about to be completely changed, starting in the next few months.
New wider paths (like on Catherine St), underground cabling, no onstreet parking, new facades on a lot of buildings, trees along the whole north side, flagposts on the souh side.

The Corner of Mallow St/Catherine St, is about to be knocked with a new building going up, incorporating what was once the High Stool.

A lot of the buildings you mentioned are listed.
Which means that the owners would have to spend a fortune to do even the basic repairwork, due to all of the specialist equipment etc...


What it comes down to is this.
We all know that there are areas of Limerick that don't look great.
But incase you haven't noticed, There are massive, massive areas of work currently being done.

Backers Place
Clancy Strand
O'Callaghan Strand
Bedford Row
Catherine St
Thomas St
William St (starting soon)
O'Connell St (after William St)
Patrick St (same as O'Connell St)

Not to mention the private money that will be invested in the Opera Center (eventually), the boat house, and the proposed plan to knock all of Arthurs Quay, Pennys, Debenhams, and the old Dunnes, and build a whole new city quarter!!!

This isn't Sim city.
How can you expect them to work on the whole city at once.

Ye have to look at the long term people, and when all the major work is completed, and we have an almost fully pedestrianised and modern city center and riverbank, with a working orbital traffic system, then (and only then) would it be okay to get on the citys back.

They're doing a good job with what they have.
Bedford Row and the strands look amazing.
Thomas St adn cAtherine St are getting there, and the plans for William St and O'Connell St are simple a class apart from what we have.

Patience people.;)

zuroph

Karmafaerie wrote: »

The Corner of Mallow St/Catherine St, is about to be knocked with a new building going up, incorporating what was once the High Stool.

talkingclock

Karmafaerie, we are talking about the Limerick of now and today.

We do not talk about how it will look in 20 years time.

If if Parnell St is in 20 years time something glamourous like the Broadway - now and today it is a kip. The same goes for William St and the corner of Mallow St/Catherine St. It is uninteresting now and today how they will be transformed in 5, 10 or 20 years. We have to walk through those areas now. 2008.

Someone who leaves the train is hardly saying "Oh what a beautyful impression i have of that city in 10 years time."...

1huge1

Considering the importance of these 2 streets in tersm of traffic and shopping I think parnell st and william st are a disgrace.

But luckily william st is going to be done soon enough and hopefully parnell st will be upgraded after colbert station.

krudler

Karmafaerie wrote: »

It's amazing how some people can be so ill informed, and yet have such massive oppinions.

Parnell St is part of the orbital route to be completed once the pedestrianisation of O'Connel St starts.
No work can be done there untill this is completed, but will be as soon as it is.
Also the new bus station has to be taken into acc, as it will have a massive impact.

William St is about to be completely changed, starting in the next few months.
New wider paths (like on Catherine St), underground cabling, no onstreet parking, new facades on a lot of buildings, trees along the whole north side, flagposts on the souh side.

The Corner of Mallow St/Catherine St, is about to be knocked with a new building going up, incorporating what was once the High Stool.

A lot of the buildings you mentioned are listed.
Which means that the owners would have to spend a fortune to do even the basic repairwork, due to all of the specialist equipment etc...


What it comes down to is this.
We all know that there are areas of Limerick that don't look great.
But incase you haven't noticed, There are massive, massive areas of work currently being done.

Backers Place
Clancy Strand
O'Callaghan Strand
Bedford Row
Catherine St
Thomas St
William St (starting soon)
O'Connell St (after William St)
Patrick St (same as O'Connell St)

Not to mention the private money that will be invested in the Opera Center (eventually), the boat house, and the proposed plan to knock all of Arthurs Quay, Pennys, Debenhams, and the old Dunnes, and build a whole new city quarter!!!

This isn't Sim city.
How can you expect them to work on the whole city at once.

Ye have to look at the long term people, and when all the major work is completed, and we have an almost fully pedestrianised and modern city center and riverbank, with a working orbital traffic system, then (and only then) would it be okay to get on the citys back.

They're doing a good job with what they have.
Bedford Row and the strands look amazing.
Thomas St adn cAtherine St are getting there, and the plans for William St and O'Connell St are simple a class apart from what we have.

Patience people.;)

Ill informed? of what you can see with your own two eyes? there may be plans to bring those parts of the city up to scratch but at the moment they're a dump, doesnt matter what they're going to look like in 5 10 or 20 years, that isnt what this topic is about

sparkman

Think I'm with Karmafaerie on this one...things take time. Mind you, I always get nervous about ANY old building being replaced (like the corner of Catherine and Mallow street). I also think that some kind of grant from the city should be available to premises owners who are prepared to do some improvements (partly paid by themselves).

I definitely think we should spend a little extra on improving what we have rather than replacing it when it's a decent old building (doesn't have to be georgian, just pre-60s, 70s maybe). If it takes a bit more time, then so what?

Aidric

Karmafaerie wrote: »

The Corner of Mallow St/Catherine St, is about to be knocked with a new building going up, incorporating what was once the High Stool.

That's great news, it's a complete kip as it stands.

talkingclock

another empty office building?

G&T

Think the city look's very cheap,
all the chain store's with their big plastic
shop front's, our city now look's like the inside of the crescent s.c.

The city planner's should only allow tasteful shop front's in
the O'Connell St.,William St.,cruises St,.Bedford Row area's.

Karmafaerie

talkingclock wrote: »

Karmafaerie, we are talking about the Limerick of now and today.

We do not talk about how it will look in 20 years time.

If if Parnell St is in 20 years time something glamourous like the Broadway - now and today it is a kip. The same goes for William St and the corner of Mallow St/Catherine St. It is uninteresting now and today how they will be transformed in 5, 10 or 20 years. We have to walk through those areas now. 2008.

Someone who leaves the train is hardly saying "Oh what a beautyful impression i have of that city in 10 years time."...

And you'd prefer to have them walk through William St and O'Connell St, as a national roadway goes through it.

And yes we are talking about the Limerick of today.
The Limerick that has more work being done than anywhere else in the country per capita.
The same Limerick that has work being done everywhere!
You pick one of the few places that isn't currently being worked on, and then complain about it!
Do you want them to actually work on every single road at once?!!

krudler wrote: »

Ill informed? of what you can see with your own two eyes? there may be plans to bring those parts of the city up to scratch but at the moment they're a dump, doesnt matter what they're going to look like in 5 10 or 20 years, that isnt what this topic is about

Ill informed, as ye are complaining saying something should be done about streets, that they are about to start working on!!!

Or complaining about streets that can't be worked on until other work is complete.

Or talking about buildings that are listed and their owners can do next to nothing about.

Or even now implying that the changes aren't going to be complete for 20 years.
Seing as the pedestrianisation plans were announced about two years ago, and we have Bedford Row, Clancy Strand, O'Callaghan Strand, Thomas st, and Catherine St a few weeks off completion.
Yes the first half took two years, so naturaly the rest will take 18!:rolleyes:

That = illinformed!

zuroph

if o connell st etc are to be pedestrianised, and you say the other streets cant be worked on til this is completed..........

wouldnt that mean that they will cause WORSE traffic disruption by carrying out extensive works when there is TWICE as much traffic forced to use that route? surely getting parnell st out of the way now means that when they do come to pedestrianising o connell st, the traffic on parnell st will no longer suffer from traffic chaos..

Karmafaerie

zuroph wrote: »

if o connell st etc are to be pedestrianised, and you say the other streets cant be worked on til this is completed..........

wouldnt that mean that they will cause WORSE traffic disruption by carrying out extensive works when there is TWICE as much traffic forced to use that route? surely getting parnell st out of the way now means that when they do come to pedestrianising o connell st, the traffic on parnell st will no longer suffer from traffic chaos..

Nothing can be done untill the Shunnel is complete first.
That completes the link road, and takes a lot of trafic out of the city.

Secondly, Parnel St is going to be a one way street, with two or three lanes of traffic.
That gives the oppertunity to vastly widen the paths.
It also means that you can work on one part, while traffic can still flow on the other half, and then switch.

Thirdly, the new bus station has to be taken into account, as it will change the traffic flow.
The bus station is going to be much more inclusive going forward, with city buses, as well as intercity buses departing from there.
All this has to be taken into account, as a lot of bus stops, like that on William st, O'Connell St, will have to be moved, and bus routes altered.
The Orbital traffic system, will be two/three lanes of one way traffic going along Henry St - William St - Parnell St - Mallow St, with a few one lane roads intersecting.

All of this has to be planned for and implimented properly, not just haphazerdly thrown up, as has all too often been the case in the past.
LCC are doing a very good job, of completely chaging the city, and very few people will say that the improvements so far are not great.
Why some people can't be patient is a bother however.
We'd all like to wake up tomorrow to a better Limerick cityscape, but please be realistic people.

zuroph

the "shunnel" wont take much, if any traffic out of city centre. definitely not off o connell street/parnell st.

any traffic heading south goes around by thomond park and out that way, or out dock road. any traffic heading north uses same route. traffic coming through town is going somewhere within that loop. possible exception of william st, and that lifted more since groody was connected to tipp road.

brousuka

Why some people can't be patient is a bother however.
We'd all like to wake up tomorrow to a better Limerick cityscape, but please be realistic people.[/QUOTE]

You must be joking??!...
Solution to problem (a): More foot patrol Gardai in the aforementioned area to keep skangers and winos out.
(b): All owners of shops/business premises have to do is weed and give a lick of fcucking paint to the outside of their properties ie; make it at least a less drab and dreary place to exist in. This new plan that you mentioned will NOT be finalised for at least 20 years if it ever gets completed, thats for another discussion forum not this one.

Karmafaerie

brousuka wrote: »

You must be joking??!...
Solution to problem (a): More foot patrol Gardai in the aforementioned area to keep skangers and winos out.
(b): All owners of shops/business premises have to do is weed and give a lick of fcucking paint to the outside of their properties ie; make it at least a less drab and dreary place to exist in. This new plan that you mentioned will NOT be finalised for at least 20 years if it ever gets completed, thats for another discussion forum not this one.

Firstly, speaking as somebody who spent some period of time living in one of the buildings on the corner of Mallow St and Catherine St, I know a bit more about the area than you do.

You walk through it once, and suddenly know all it's woes.

The "anti-social element" is almost identical to the rest of the city, for better or worse.
You'll see more trouble down by Cruises St, than you ever will on Mallow St, and more winos too.

This may surprise you, but LCC don't tell the gardai where to patrol, and have no say in the matter.
If you want more patrols, it's the Gardai you whine about, not the council.

As for the buildings themselves, as I've said I lived in one of them, so I've a good idea on the restriction imparted on the owners.
TV companies have to use specialist drills, and screws, free standing scaffolding, only certain builders will work on them, as you need specialist insurance, you have to apply for permision well in advance, etc...
Yes, the owners can do little things, and I agree they should, but even the littlest things cost a lot more money than they would on other buildings, so in some ways it's easy to see why they choose to not put in the effort.


Now.
Not get finalised for twenty years?!!!!!

It's to be completed in 3!!!!
See what I mean about ill-informed?!
William St is to be finished in less than a year.
The work on O'Connell St/Patrick St is due to have started by next October, and completed in less than a year from then.
The bus station will be constructed during this period, and the Orbital system will be fully implimented within 3 years!

20 bloody years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:
Read the plans before you make assumptions my friend.
It was a five year plan, that we are roughly two years into.

And for you to compalain about the state of Parnell St/Mallow St and then when I mention the planned work come out and say the work isn't relative, is a bit much.

Karmafaerie

zuroph wrote: »

the "shunnel" wont take much, if any traffic out of city centre. definitely not off o connell street/parnell st.

any traffic heading south goes around by thomond park and out that way, or out dock road. any traffic heading north uses same route. traffic coming through town is going somewhere within that loop. possible exception of william st, and that lifted more since groody was connected to tipp road.

Yes, of course not.
They're building it just for the sake of it.

The shunnel will bring a lot of the haulage traffic out of the city center, especially seeing as O'Connell St won't be there anymore!

zuroph

Karmafaerie wrote: »

Yes, of course not.
They're building it just for the sake of it.

The shunnel will bring a lot of the haulage traffic out of the city center, especially seeing as O'Connell St won't be there anymore!

no, its built to take traffic out of the suburb areas, not the city centre.

Its to relieve traffic on ennis road, dock road, dublin road, thomondgate, etc.
nothing to do with o connell st.

not for no reason, just not the reason you think its for. O connell st is not generally used by trucks any more, unless they're on city business.

Karmafaerie

zuroph wrote: »

no, its built to take traffic out of the suburb areas, not the city centre.

Its to relieve traffic on ennis road, dock road, dublin road, thomondgate, etc.
nothing to do with o connell st.

not for no reason, just not the reason you think its for. O connell st is not generally used by trucks any more, unless they're on city business.

Wow.
All those freight trucks that I pass ever single day on city buisness.

So when I was reading the proposal for the Shunnel all those years ago.
And when I was reading the outline for the pedestrianisation of O'Connell St a couple of years ago, the planners were just lying when they listed one of the reason being to reduce traffic in the city center.
Damn City Council, County Council, and NRA not knowing what traffic flows come through the city.
Very silly of them!:rolleyes:

zuroph

seriously, stop twisting my words.

there is traffic in the city yes. but there is a lot less trucks than there used to be, and any truck driver that can avoids it. with the obvious exception of william st.

go in and stand on o connell st for a day, i think ul be surprised how few trucks pass through there now, in comparison to a few years ago.
reasons:
link roads in corbally.
outer ring road semi-completed.
links at groody to new ring road.

They wish to reduce traffic in city centre yes, but thats not got to do with haulage, haulage has no need to pass through city centre in its current state.