M6 - Galway City Ring Road [planning decision pending]

Victor

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Why in the hell would 600 gobshytes come out to oppose a much needed infrastructure project that will is guaranteed to significantly bolster the Galway economy and the wider region? I'm sorry but these people are cretins, no two ways of putting it.

Tone down the comments please.

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Iwannahurl

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

Claiming; not "admitting". There is a difference you know :rolleyes:

Said.

What the ARUP associate director said was "we can't keep building roads ... and we're just not going to get permission for another bridge, and another bridge and another bridge, because we keep insisting on driving everywhere."

http://galwaybayfm.ie/keith-finnegan-show-friday-may-8th/

Schadenfreudia

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Said.

Indeed.

"Saying" is not "admitting" either. Different words, different meanings.

He made a claim by saying what he said.

dloob

Ren2k7 wrote: »

Why in the hell would 600 gobshytes come out to oppose a much needed infrastructure project that will is guaranteed to significantly bolster the Galway economy and the wider region? I'm sorry but these people are cretins, no two ways of putting it.

Interestingly the connacht tribune felt the need to correct that figure in their latest bypass story.

http://connachttribune.ie/bypass-route-justification-report-due-in-weeks-299/

Meanwhile, some 130 people, including around 20 politicians, – and not 500 or 600 people as had been claimed – attended a meeting in the Clayton Hotel last week where opposition to the road and possible alternatives were aired.

You would wonder who came up with the 600 figure.
Certainly the picture they had of the meeting for the original story, with the 600 figure, showed a room with barely 100 people and nowhere to hide another 500 of them, so its all a bit odd.


In other news, Tram Power(the UK company behind GLUAS/"light rail campaigners" that have never built an actual full tram system and want Galway to be their guinea pig), reckon it's all people from Dublin(BOO! HISS!) who support the bypass.
And not only that but those Dublin people have, brace yourself, holiday homes in Connemara!
http://connachttribune.ie/light-rail-campaigners-question-city-bypass-plan/

The council should should instead consider their tram system, it's hot, really really hot!
A Tram Power prototype tram in action in Blackpool.

http://www.blackpoolcitizen.co.uk/news/1147511.new_tram_catches_fire_on_test_run/
Cause of fire, substandard 24V wiring and equipment installation.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/411898/071127_R412007_Blackpool.pdf

Schadenfreudia

dloob wrote: »

In other news, Tram Power(the UK company behind GLUAS/"light rail campaigners" that have never built an actual full tram system and want Galway to be their guinea pig), reckon it's all people from Dublin(BOO! HISS!) who support the bypass.
And not only that but those Dublin people have, brace yourself, holiday homes in Connemara!
http://connachttribune.ie/light-rail-campaigners-question-city-bypass-plan/

The council should should instead consider their tram system, it's hot, really really hot!
A Tram Power prototype tram in action in Blackpool.

http://www.blackpoolcitizen.co.uk/news/1147511.new_tram_catches_fire_on_test_run/
Cause of fire, substandard 24V wiring and equipment installation.
https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/411898/071127_R412007_Blackpool.pdf

If it was decided to build a Luas line in Galway that company surely are unlikely to win the contract?

Even apart from their burning trams they don't seem to have featured in the Luas tenders??

snubbleste

€18m spend on GOB so far and not a brick laid.

Sam Russell

snubbleste wrote: »

€18m spend on GOB so far and not a brick laid.

Irish Water spent €400m and not a drop of water involved. Then €560m on meters and still 40% water leaked passed them. What is new?

spacetweek

dloob wrote: »

You would wonder who came up with the 600 figure.
Certainly the picture they had of the meeting for the original story, with the 600 figure, showed a room with barely 100 people and nowhere to hide another 500 of them, so its all a bit odd.

Maybe 600 was the number of people who said they'd attend the Facebook event.

Sam Russell

I thought 600 was the number of millions of euro to build it.

spacetweek

Can someone clarify the funding mechanism for this bypass? It was originally to be a PPP, but if it's in the gov's Capital Spending Plan does that mean it'll be directly funded now?

cgcsb

If it's anything like Metro North in the governments capital spending plan, you may write the word bypass on each sheet of your loo-roll. A bit like the 20,000 homes NAMA was to deliver, none of these things will ever happen.

spacetweek

Thanks, but does anyone have a serious answer?

what_traffic

Full page Ad in the Galway Advertiser today from the "N6 Action Group"

yer man!

This is the worst case of scaremongering I've ever seen. Not one shred of data to back up any point their making, basically just saying "no I don't like it, because it doesn't suit me".
N6 Action Group

http://imgur.com/AqI8SAu

Schadenfreudia

yer man! wrote: »

This is the worst case of scaremongering I've ever seen. Not one shred of data to back up any point their making, basically just saying "no I don't like it, because it doesn't suit me".
N6 Action Group

http://imgur.com/AqI8SAu

I see the bridge is to be painted in a fetching shade of jet black and even the traffic using it will be all-black!

Could become a tourist attraction in its own right with that unique colour scheme

The Black (bridge of) Death, cometh!
It looks bigger than the Humber bridge from that angle

yer man!

It's also supposed to be a nicely designed cable stayed bridge with two towers, if anything it'll add to the area. Below is the old design, for the original alignment.


Sourced from the Connacht Tribune

what_traffic

yer man! wrote: »

It's also supposed to be a nicely designed cable stayed bridge with two towers, if anything it'll add to the area.

Now you are just speculating, similar to the N6 Action Group. There are NO detailed designs on what type of Bridge it will be. N6 Action Group based design looks like a copy and paste of the Quincentenary Bridge.
Wonder what Architect designed the Quincentenary Bridge?

yer man!

what_traffic wrote: »

Now you are just speculating, similar to the N6 Action Group. There are NO detailed designs on what type of Bridge it will be. N6 Action Group based design looks like a copy and paste of the Quincentenary Bridge.
Wonder what Architect designed the Quincentenary Bridge?

Oh yeah it's pure speculation on probability that it would be well designed in keeping with the N25 Waterford bypass and the M1 Boyne bridge. It's already been detailed that that span will be long to avoid navigation problems on the river and avoid sensitive habitats close to the bank. Detailed designs were realised on the old design but have since been taken down. Showed exactly the type of bridge that was printed in the Connacht tribune that I have linked above. A 2 tower cable stayed bridge carrying 4 lanes of traffic separated by a jersey barrier and a minimal hard shoulder.

youngrun

Design options coming through now.
http://www.n6galwaycity.ie/phase-3/
Does this happen after engagement with landowners etc ? And does it indicate that they are essentially agreeing to the route?

Interested as am in fairly close proximity to the N59 section

tharlear

Is it correct that the new GBP will be a Galway count council road?
Will motorway access restriction be placed on the 4 lane divided section?
After the Ballymoneen road roundabout what will prevent, joggers, dogs, walkers, bikers from being killed? What will prevent the council in all its wisdom from granting building permission and access to any estate or big box shop that are build near the road. Campaign donations aside
Will there be an easement of some sort to allow for future expansion of this road to 4 lanes.
After all without motorway access restrictions this will present a perfect opportunity to increase sprawl. The opposite of what the objectors to A MASSIVE MOTOWAY WE DONT NEED wanted. Sorry if this has been discussed before but there's a lot in the thread that I don't want to read again.

spacetweek

tharlear wrote: »

Is it correct that the new GBP will be a Galway count council road?
Will motorway access restriction be placed on the 4 lane divided section?
After the Ballymoneen road roundabout what will prevent, joggers, dogs, walkers, bikers from being killed? What will prevent the council in all its wisdom from granting building permission and access to any estate or big box shop that are build near the road. Campaign donations aside
Will there be an easement of some sort to allow for future expansion of this road to 4 lanes.
After all without motorway access restrictions this will present a perfect opportunity to increase sprawl. The opposite of what the objectors to A MASSIVE MOTOWAY WE DONT NEED wanted. Sorry if this has been discussed before but there's a lot in the thread that I don't want to read again.

The short answer is no, there is no guarantee that the new road won't be used to facilitate sprawl.

Carawaystick

tharlear wrote: »

Is it correct that the new GBP will be a Galway count council road?
Will motorway access restriction be placed on the 4 lane divided section?

Its Galway city council's plan.
There will be restrictions preventing non-mmechanically propelled vehicles using the road, like the N25 bypass of Waterford, or the Jack Lynch tunnel.

someday2010

I haven't followed this story for years now, can someone tell me where this project is at? When is the earliest this is likely to start construction ? Is all that enviro stuff that sunk the last one sorted now?

youngrun

someday2010 wrote: »

I haven't followed this story for years now, can someone tell me where this project is at? When is the earliest this is likely to start construction ? Is all that enviro stuff that sunk the last one sorted now?

Phase 3 design etc
And talking to landowners
Couple of big campaigns against it likely to go to legal challenges against route particularly in the n 59 Dangan and Newcastle section
N u I galway bridge aspect also likely to be contentious but they may follow the money ?
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/group-questions-galway-bypass-plan-1.2149198
Official site
http://www.n6galwaycity.ie


Open by 2020 per local paper a few months ago if all goes to plan

what_traffic

https://galwayn6action.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/public-information-evening-febuary-3rd-2016/

"
The Galway N6 Action Group is holding an Information Evening on Wednesday Feb 3rd 2016 (starting @ 8pm) in the Westwood House Hotel, Newcastle, Galway.
"

Schadenfreudia

what_traffic wrote: »

https://galwayn6action.wordpress.com/2016/01/26/public-information-evening-febuary-3rd-2016/

"
The Galway N6 Action Group is holding an Information Evening on Wednesday Feb 3rd 2016 (starting @ 8pm) in the Westwood House Hotel, Newcastle, Galway.
"

So...cui bono from messing with the plan (apart from the Neanderthal anti-roads munch-kins) ??

youngrun

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

So...cui bono from messing with the plan (apart from the Neanderthal anti-roads munch-kins) ??

I guess NUI Galway is the big one that benefits if route is changed and its sports facilities would remain intact , as do any affected residents on that particularly contentious section of route ( River crossing/dangan/newcastle). Though I would imagine the former will weigh it up commercially and see whats on offer.
This section is very close to city/existing major roads and major housing estates near college and many do not want the disruption or change that it would bring hence the action group.

spacetweek

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

(apart from the Neanderthal anti-roads munch-kins) ??

That might have been a bit much.

what_traffic

Schadenfreudia wrote: »

So...cui bono from messing with the plan (apart from the Neanderthal anti-roads munch-kins) ??

Sure goto the meeting and tell the people whose homes are to be knocked this.