Obama and the illuminati?

JohnGalt

With the election of Barack Obama as the 44th president of the USA, questions must be asked about his links to the illuminati

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread353695/pg1

This hand gesture seems to answer that question...

Shazbot

JohnGalt wrote: »

With the election of Barack Obama as the 44th president of the USA, questions must be asked about his links to the illuminati

You mean a question should be asked such as 'is Obama an illuminati member?'. What stated implies he's a known member.

This hand gesture seems to answer that question...

You never posed a question.

Jeez, you conspiracy theorists, randomly putting facts on innocent pictures. If he was a member, I'm sure he would do his upmost to not use their hand sign infront of millions of people. Wouldn't be very clever for a secret organisation.

Wait, I've seen hundreds of people make that hand sign at gigs. Maybe their all in on it.

JohnGalt

Shazbot wrote: »

You mean a question should be asked such as 'is Obama an illuminati member?'. What stated implies he's a known member.



You never posed a question.

Jeez, you conspiracy theorists, randomly putting facts on innocent pictures. If he was a member, I'm sure he would do his upmost to not use their hand sign infront of millions of people. Wouldn't be very clever for a secret organisation.

Wait, I've seen hundreds of people make that hand sign at gigs. Maybe their all in on it.

You are obviously deeply ignorant of the illuminati and their ways if you fail to see the significance of this hand gesture. You are a pillock

Shazbot

JohnGalt wrote: »

You are obviously deeply ignorant of the illuminati and their ways if you fail to see the significance of this hand gesture. You are a pillock

Oh, so someone who doesn't share you view on a photo and they're ingorant and a pillok. Well done sir. Post reported for personal abuse.

If you can't convey your point without an insult then don't bother.

I've seen this sign hundreds of times before. Usually means, hell yeah this concert is bloody great. Who's to say Obama isn't a die hard heavy metal fan?

JohnGalt

Shazbot wrote: »

Oh, so someone who doesn't share you view on a photo and they're ingorant and a pillok. Well done sir. Post reported for personal abuse.

If you can't convey your point without an insult then don't bother.

I've seen this sign hundreds of times before. Usually means, hell yeah this concert is bloody great. Who's to say Obama isn't a die hard heavy metal fan?

It is far different in this context than in a rock concert setting, there are many signs which have different meanings in a given situation than they do in another. I apoligise for calling you a pillock, that was not necessary

Run_to_da_hills

Heres another one (1st from the top )

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Wicca%20&%20Witchcraft/signs_of_satan.htm

amacachi

Jesus, for such a powerful, well-funded secret society, they're not very good at keeping things secret.

JohnGalt

Barack Obama is part of the illuminati

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSKM7nXwln8

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CV8Xt2VWvc

thecommander

JohnGalt wrote: »

Barack Obama is part of the illuminati

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSKM7nXwln8

Did you watch the video before posting it?

If you watched the video, you know that it predicts that Obama is a member of the Illuminati because he'll win in states that don't usually vote for outsiders (black), he'll be rigging with the aid of the Illuminati. Of the 12 states it listed, he only actually won 2 of them. So how does this prove that he's a member?

Davei141

Im almost embarrassed to live in the same area as the nut job OP.

JohnGalt

thecommander wrote: »

Did you watch the video before posting it?

If you watched the video, you know that it predicts that Obama is a member of the Illuminati because he'll win in states that don't usually vote for outsiders (black), he'll be rigging with the aid of the Illuminati. Of the 12 states it listed, he only actually won 2 of them. So how does this prove that he's a member?

It still predicted he would win, didn't it? And what about that new world order video from Berlin?

thecommander

JohnGalt wrote: »

It still predicted he would win, didn't it? And what about that new world order video from Berlin?

Where did he mention a new world order? Sky News presenter said it. He said we were citizens of the world.

Just cos he predicted Obama would win, does mean that Obama is Illuminati.

This a windup?

JohnGalt

thecommander wrote: »

Where did he mention a new world order? Sky News presenter said it. He said we were citizens of the world.

Just cos he predicted Obama would win, does mean that Obama is Illuminati.

This a windup?

Eh, no, are you a wind up, you fat b astard?

thecommander

JohnGalt wrote: »

Eh, no, are you a wind up, you fat b astard?

Boom. And there you lost it.

Run_to_da_hills

Looking at the tone of things ill get in before the thread lock

DubTony

Miju's asleep

BTW, even the Starbucks mermaid does it. But hey, we all know that Starbucks only interest is world domination, so no surprise there.

http://www.businesspundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/07/starbucks.gif

Run_to_da_hills

DubTony wrote: »

Miju's asleep

It wouldn't last a minute in AH. :eek:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055413491

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055413503

FrostyJack

This is beyond a joke, if McCain had won, he would have been a lizard of the NWO. As usual lets fit our thinking to reality and hope for the best.

miju

DubTony wrote: »

Miju's asleep

and a very nice sleep it was too

JohnGalt banned for 1 month. GhostInTheRuins & KingMob infracted for breaching the charter as well

Kernel

No non-illuminati can come to power as president of a country like the US. As I've said before, and as has been documented: Obama has Brzezinski handling him, McCain had Kissinger. Both men with long running links to the supposed illuminati/NWO agenda. Obama is the face the illuminati choose to show for the next 4-8 years - a more charismatic leader undoubtedly.

trentf

hey look the pope must be at a rock concert...

http://www.taroscopes.com/links.html

DubTony

FrostyJack wrote: »

This is beyond a joke, if McCain had won, he would have been a lizard of the NWO. As usual lets fit our thinking to reality and hope for the best.

Come on Frosty. Do you think we make this stuff up? Of course you do.

This is from one of the mainstream medias top dog publications.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/139898

Newsweek Article June 3 2008 wrote:

The McCain campaign's foreign policy coordinator is Randy Scheunemann, a former top legislative aide for Republicans on Capitol Hill, including two former leaders of the Senate, Trent Lott and Bob Dole. Former Congressional Budget Office chief Douglas Holtz-Eakin coordinates economic policy. On national security issues, McCain receives advice from several generations of Republican strategists and former top foreign policy officials such as Henry Kissinger and Richard Armitage, often grouped in the realist camp of foreign policy, as well as William Kristol and Robert Kagan, leading neoconservative voices. The campaign lists Kagan as a leading foreign policy adviser, as noted below, along with State Department veteran Richard Williamson, former top defense and national security official Peter W. Rodman, and former CIA Director R. James Woolsey, who advises on national security and energy issues.
........

Scheunemann, Kagan, and Kristol are project directors of the Project for the New American Century, an organization formed when Democrats controlled the White House in 1997 around what many analysts say are neoconservative ideals. The project says on its website it aims to promote U.S. leadership in the world and "rally support for a vigorous and principled policy of American international involvement and to stimulate useful public debate on foreign and defense policy and America's role in the world." The organization's statement of principles says the United States needs to "increase defense spending significantly," "strengthen ties to democratic allies," "promote the cause of political and economic freedom abroad," and "accept responsibility for America's unique role in preserving and extending an international order friendly to our security, our prosperity, and our principles."

The PNAC fellahs are a bunch of good goodies who managed to maneouvre "W" into the Whitehouse 8 years ago and find themselves in top positions. Signatories to it's Statement of Principles include such samaritans as ... hold onto your handbag ... Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, the nepotistic Paul Wolfovitz and Scooter Libby.

This was in a letter to Clinton in 1998 urging him to "enunciate a new strategy" (their words) on how he was dealing with Iraq.

PNAC Letter wrote:

"We urge you to act decisively. If you act now to end the threat of weapons of mass destruction against the U.S. or its allies, you will be acting in the most fundamental national security interests of the country"

A real bunch of sweethearts.

So there you have it. McCain hangs out with these guys. And as we all know you become like the people you associate with. Maybe he is one of them. Whether or not he's a lizard remains to be seen.

Although Lizards of the NWO does have a nice ring to it.

Run_to_da_hills

trentf wrote: »

hey look the pope must be at a rock concert...

http://www.taroscopes.com/links.html

Ratzingers has been to more than a rock concert, :eek:

Check out the size of the "Eye" used in the background of his alter during the 2006 Valentia Papal visit :eek:


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Illuminati/pope_eye.htm

trentf

nothing surprises me anymore about how blatent they are, when i start seeing them locally i knew all i needed to know about the whole theory about the best place to hide something is to put it right out in the open.

didn't he meet with bilderberg when they met this year?

DubTony

Obama did. Sent the press boys on a wild goose chase seemingly.
Don't know about Ratzinger.

CHD

JohnGalt wrote: »

You are obviously deeply ignorant of the illuminati and their ways if you fail to see the significance of this hand gesture. You are a pillock

Get a job

humanji

trentf wrote: »

nothing surprises me anymore about how blatent they are, when i start seeing them locally i knew all i needed to know about the whole theory about the best place to hide something is to put it right out in the open.

Do you not realise how idiotic that sounds? Why would tsuch an organisation if it exists want to draw attention to itself? Why would Obama et al have to make hand gestures to show they're part of it when everyone who is part of it already knows? Why would they put their symbols everywhere and identify themselves and their hang outs? What possible logic does that follow?

amacachi

humanji wrote: »

Do you not realise how idiotic that sounds? Why would tsuch an organisation if it exists want to draw attention to itself? Why would Obama et al have to make hand gestures to show they're part of it when everyone who is part of it already knows? Why would they put their symbols everywhere and identify themselves and their hang outs? What possible logic does that follow?

Be quiet you with your reasoned arguments!

DubTony

amacachi wrote: »

Be quiet you with your naive arguments!

Fixed your post.

Mahatma coat

Its down to Arogance Humanji, the Lizzzzzards believe that they control the world, they want to lord it over us, they want to feel all smug and superior, thats why the symbols and the secret handshakes, they use it as a litmus test to see how many people actualy see what is going onaround them and how many more find it incredulous that anything like this could be happening, these people are known as Coincidence Theorists/Sheeple

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Its down to Arogance Humanji, the Lizzzzzards believe that they control the world, they want to lord it over us, they want to feel all smug and superior, thats why the symbols and the secret handshakes, they use it as a litmus test to see how many people actualy see what is going onaround them and how many more find it incredulous that anything like this could be happening, these people are known as Coincidence Theorists/Sheeple

And pray tell how do you the lizzzzards want to lord over us and feel smug when you can't even give decent proof they exist or are doing anything?

Maybe you're just seeing conspiracies where there are none because you have convinced yourself of an overarching conspiracy ages ago and you are now cherry picking any "evidence" to back up this belief and then using any logical evidence and reasoning against your theory as evidence for a conspiracy?

Mahatma coat

and Maybe you have been brainwashed by the media to assume that anything that dosent conform to your world view is a Kooky Conspiracy theory.

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

and Maybe you have been brainwashed by the media to assume that anything that dosent conform to your world view is a Kooky Conspiracy theory.

Entirely possible.
However conspiacy theorists like yourself have failed to produce any evidence better than "oh look he's making an illuminati hand sign" then back it up with poor logic.
So no evidence + bad logic = unconvinced.

Mahatma coat

Look mate, if I had hard evidence do you think I would be discussing these things here ona conspiracy THEORIES forum

no, I'd have ben shot by the Lizzzzzards ages ago, like what happens to most people who find the hard evidence,

why dont you go out and look, I hope you find some

thecommander

Mahatma coat wrote: »

no, I'd have ben shot by the Lizzzzzards ages ago, like what happens to most people who find the hard evidence

Convenient. So your saying there is no one out there with hard evidence because they are disposed of as soon as they know the "truth:?

meglome

Seriously is this what we can expect as 'proof' for the illuminati? I would say you could get a picture of anyone making this symbol if you have enough pictures of them. This is nearly as bad as the bull**** thread about triangles.

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

Look mate, if I had hard evidence do you think I would be discussing these things here ona conspiracy THEORIES forum

no, I'd have ben shot by the Lizzzzzards ages ago, like what happens to most people who find the hard evidence,

why dont you go out and look, I hope you find some

As I said "any logical evidence or reasoning against the theory is evidence of a conspiracy". Apparently lack of evidence is evidence for a conspiracy as well.

But surely you have evidence of people who found the "truth" disappearing?
Or is this just as baseless as the "Obama is an illuminati" theory?
Or do you just believe it regardless of evidence because without it your theories would make no sense?

DubTony

King Mob wrote: »

Entirely possible.
However conspiacy theorists like yourself have failed to produce any evidence better than "oh look he's making an illuminati hand sign" then back it up with poor logic.
So no evidence + bad logic = unconvinced.

LOL. I'd love to see at least one thread where you don't accuse someone of bad logic. What are you? A f*cking Vulcan ?

luketitz

Mahatma coat wrote: »

like what happens to most people who find the hard evidence,

Name one please.

I'm with King Mob on this one!

King Mob

DubTony wrote: »

LOL. I'd love to see at least one thread where you don't accuse someone of bad logic. What are you? A f*cking Vulcan ?

Nope I just call bad logic when I see it.
I see a lot of it.

DubTony

Way off topic now, but hey - it needs to be said.

You use it (the accusation of bad logic) regularly to shut people down. It seems to me that you use it when you have worn out your argument and have little left to say.

I believe you post on the Skeptics forum quite a bit. What I find to be totally illogical is that, as a skeptic, you actually seem to believe that all conspiracy theories are BS but never seem to question the other side.

As skeptics go, I'd say you're a little bit of an anomaly. That is, of course, if you are actually a skeptic, as opposed to a mouthpiece who simply likes to try to piss people off.

Or maybe you're just 16.

King Mob

DubTony wrote: »

Way off topic now, but hey - it needs to be said.

You use it (the accusation of bad logic) regularly to shut people down. It seems to me that you use it when you have worn out your argument and have little left to say.

I believe you post on the Skeptics forum quite a bit. What I find to be totally illogical is that, as a skeptic, you actually seem to believe that all conspiracy theories are BS but never seem to question the other side.

As skeptics go, I'd say you're a little bit of an anomaly. That is, of course, if you are actually a skeptic, as opposed to a mouthpiece who simply likes to try to piss people off.

Or maybe you're just 16.

I say people are using bad logic when they are using bad logic.

Just because I don't accept theories posted here doesn't mean I don't consider the argument for them.
I don't accept theories here because they don't stand up to critical reasoning, the core of skepticism.

Mahatma coat

David Kelly

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

David Kelly

I assume you're referring to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Kelly_(weapons_expert)

And what exactly led you to believe that the illuminati had him killed? Wouldn't their "arrogance" make them leave a symbol or something so you know it was them?
Can you back up that reasoning with evidence?
Or was it just speculation on your part?

No one knows what happene d to Oscar Zeta Acosta http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_Zeta_Acosta. Maybe the NWO had him killed too cause they didn't like Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

ramjee_kapar

Kernel wrote: »

No non-illuminati can come to power as president of a country like the US. As I've said before, and as has been documented: Obama has Brzezinski handling him, McCain had Kissinger. Both men with long running links to the supposed illuminati/NWO agenda. Obama is the face the illuminati choose to show for the next 4-8 years - a more charismatic leader undoubtedly.

No, I believe the 10's of millions of americans who voted for himself and mccain in the primaries/caucuses chose 1 of them as the 'face' of the country for the next 4-8 years. Or are guiliani, clinton, edwards, romney, richardson, huckabee, ron paul, etc all in on this 'club' aswell :rolleyes:

Kernel

ramjee_kapar wrote: »

No, I believe the 10's of millions of americans who voted for himself and mccain in the primaries/caucuses chose 1 of them as the 'face' of the country for the next 4-8 years. Or are guiliani, clinton, edwards, romney, richardson, huckabee, ron paul, etc all in on this 'club' aswell :rolleyes:

Several of them are, more than likely. I think you failed to realise the part of my post that said Brzezinski = Obama, Kissinger = McCain. Brzezinski + Kissinger = Illuminati. Do some research on the people behind the parties. In a two horse race, you simply need to ensure you control a few of the champions, and likewise ensure one of those two win (no biggie which one). When you have the media behind you, as well as bucketloads of cash, then it's easy. It's all HR man.

Mahatma coat

So what part of the huge bucketload of Coincedences in david Kellys Death did younot find suspicious?

Kernel

Mahatma coat wrote: »

So what part of the huge bucketload of Coincedences in david Kellys Death did younot find suspicious?

Mahatma, these guys don't think anything is suspicious! Everything is ok here, nothing to see. Move along now.

meglome

Kernel wrote: »

Mahatma, these guys don't think anything is suspicious! Everything is ok here, nothing to see. Move along now.

I'm not saying there is no reason to be suspicious and I think most other 'debunkers' (for want of a better word) would agree, but we want some evidence. I'm fascinated that if some randomness happens to any unknown member of the joe public then that's fine but any person in the public eye must have a conspiracy attached. Life is full of random chance and unless there is evidence to the contrary in a given situation then that's that. Your belief in conspiracies without evidence is just your belief.

King Mob

Mahatma coat wrote: »

So what part of the huge bucketload of Coincedences in david Kellys Death did younot find suspicious?

I never said it wasn't suspicious, I said there is no reason to believe that he was killed by the nwo.
In fact I believe that the only reason you think they had him killed is because it supports your beliefs not because of any evidence linking them to his death.