[US] DollHouse [** Spoilers **] (Renewed!)

Richard Dower

NOT READING!

matrim

Damn you basquille, I couldn't resist reading that

User45701

ye i read that a little while back but i think he will suprise us with a convincing charactor

lostexpectation

Richard Dower wrote: »

What Ballard did in the latest episode IMO was rape, he knowingly used her and even changed his sexual behaviour toward her. He would NEVER have had that kind of rough sex with Mellie, the sweet Mellie..before he knew she was a Doll. Slavery has also been raised....the nature of the Dollhouse raises all sorts of interesting questions and opinions...which is what Wheadon wanted i presume.

yes i said the myself it just got a little too weird for a friday night show though.

anotherlostie

Did ye miss iguana giving the same spoiler on the previous page of this thread?

I never heard of the guy so means nothing to me!

lostexpectation

anotherlostie wrote: »

Did ye miss iguana giving the same spoiler on the previous page of this thread?

I never heard of the guy so means nothing to me!

a serenity and 5 episodes of firefly for your sins

User45701

it was my understanding what the dollhouse is doing is not illigal - that the dolls choose to be doll's - its a signed contract thingey for a few years

Richard Dower

That's what the Dollhouse WANT us to think, some Dolls *might* be voluntary, but it seems others were blackmailed or cohersed into being a Doll....Sierra for example, it was suggest that creep she went to see sold her to the Dollhouse so he could have sex with her. Caroline seems to have been on the run from the Dollhouse for two years before being captured and basically given no choice to be a Doll.

I personally think this 5 year contract is BS.

Richard Dower

We're not the only ones who dislike Dushkubag: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135300/board/thread/136757513

Not long now for episode 11 :-)

Richard Dower

Oh!...not long!! :-)

JP Liz

Has this been renewed for a second season or is it cancelled?

Basq

JP Liz wrote: »

Has this been renewed for a second season or is it cancelled?

No confirmation as of yet... probably 50 / 50.

Actually.. I'd estimate it 60 / 40 in favour of being cancelled. I have very little faith in Fox!

Richard Dower

Anyone wanna take bets?...i think it'll survive.

BlitzKrieg

I think if there is enough merit to give dollhouse a second season there's more to give sarah connor chronicles a 3rd season, and if fox were to pick one, chances are much higher that they'll pick sarah connor chronicles.

Richard Dower

Using that criteria...i think Fox would be more inclined to give Dollhouse a second season, to keep Wheadon on script and sweet. TSCC has had two seasons to find it's footing...if Salvation does dire and it's panned it might be curtains for the show.

They might feel Dollhouse can be fleshed out more in a second season and just commiting to 13 episodes for a second season would also be more cost effective.

Richard Dower

WOO HOO!!...Ep. 11 "Brair Rose"...come to papa! :-)

Richard Dower

OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That was bloody AM-AZ-ING!!, Alan Tudyek is just fan bloody tastic as Alpha!, sooo many twists and and massive clifhanger for the next (final) ep. If this show dosen't get renewed it'll be the greatest crime ever commited by Fox!

So who did Alpha imprint into Echo?...i thought it was great when Ballard saw Victor and he realised HE was also a doll, as he said his whole life is a lie. Amy Acker was excellent, you could really feel she was terrified of Alpha. The Mellie/Ballard scenes were great...i really felt her pain, thought for a sec she was gonna throw herself off the bridge!

They really have set things up nicely for the season finale, man i gotta watch the episode again!

:-)

5/5...not sure, could be the best ep. of the season, easily top three!

Richard Dower

Fans raving on the IMDB board: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135300/board

:-)

Richard Dower

I noticed this as well! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135300/board/thread/136986895

When Dominic was imprinted in Victor (awesome scene) he said the word "whiskey"...and i don't think he meant he wanted a drink, i think myself it was a keyword...like trigger, so someone in that room maybe could be working for the NSA?....someone who could be the other spy?

Richard Dower

Promo for next week looks outstanding! http://tvspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/05/doullhouse-episode-1x12-new-promo.html

Coudln't resist!...too excited, Alpha took all of Echo's imprints incl. her original?...and he say's...only one person can her you now (meaning Caroline aka original imprint)....so who's imprint did Alpha imprint into Echo?

Maybe there is an imprint of someone Alpha knew, maybe someone that got killed and no physical body exists or she got killed as a doll, maybe thats why Alpha freaked out?

Sooo many questions!

robby^5

Saw last weeks episode last night, good solid standalone episode imo and actually one of the best of that bunch. Nice to see that Boyd is in charge of security now and I liked the scenes with Topher, he really is a loner isnt he? but I still expect him to get with that Ivy chick at some stage.

Looking forward to this weeks episode, by all accounts is supposed to be quite good... really hope this show is picked up again for another season, it does have great potential just been a little too hit and miss so far.

EDIT - oh wow, I've been avoiding spoilers for this but couldnt resist the one for who is playing Alpha, cannot wait for this episode now!

Also Starring LeVar Burton

Alan Tudyk was awesome in this episode.
Great episode - can't wait for next week.
Viktor took an awful beating this week though - hope they don't do anything drastic like kill him off.

Sherifu

Holy ****, that was great.

iguana

Richard Dower wrote: »

I noticed this as well! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1135300/board/thread/136986895

When Dominic was imprinted in Victor (awesome scene) he said the word "whiskey"...and i don't think he meant he wanted a drink, i think myself it was a keyword...like trigger, so someone in that room maybe could be working for the NSA?....someone who could be the other spy?

Whiskey is the phonetic word for W. I'm pretty sure he was telling Dr Saunders that she is the doll designated Whiskey. Alpha also knows this which is why he was asking her if she always wanted to be a doctor and called her a liar when she said she did.

And Gjokaj really is a great actor, he pulled off Diamond's mannerisms perfectly when he was imprinted with Mr Dominic.

Richard Dower

I agree, i 100% belived that Victor was Dominic when he was imprinted....he really is an excellent actor and can pull off and mimic different characters. As for Echo....i think Dushku will come into her own as a badass bitch!, you can see from the finale promo she plays THAT role very well...she can become and play that type of character very differently to almost everything she's tried to do in Dollhouse before.

It could very well be that Doc Saunders is a doll imprinted to be a doctor...in fact, Topher could also be a doll!...Alpha seemed to know everything he knew, which makes me think Alpha was at some point doing Tophers job, in fact he was probably imprinted multiple times and retains a mash of those imprints which is why he is psycho.

Richard Dower

OH NO!!!!! http://tvbythenumbers.com/2009/05/02/updated-friday-ratings-dollhouse-sinks-again-ghost-whisperer-wins-again/17885

Sherifu

That's not good

Richard Dower

robby^5 wrote: »

Saw last weeks episode last night, good solid standalone episode imo and actually one of the best of that bunch. Nice to see that Boyd is in charge of security now and I liked the scenes with Topher, he really is a loner isnt he? but I still expect him to get with that Ivy chick at some stage.

Looking forward to this weeks episode, by all accounts is supposed to be quite good... really hope this show is picked up again for another season, it does have great potential just been a little too hit and miss so far.

EDIT - oh wow, I've been avoiding spoilers for this but couldnt resist the one for who is playing Alpha, cannot wait for this episode now!

Ivy...they set this up in the latest ep., she was looking at him with adoring eyes when he showcased his genius at impriting techniques

User45701

Great episode but i have to disagree richard, if they go cancel dollhouse it will be a loss but not the greatest crime - that was definatly firefly.

i wish i hadent read on the forum that alan was playing alpha would have made the episode more of a shocker

Sherifu

I hadn't read anything so when he started slashing it was total shock. Spoilers really ruin something like that, his act up to that was great. Alpha is a badass.

BlitzKrieg

alan tudyk plays a good psycho, enjoyable episode I wonder if there is gonna be some manner of which the show will end in a way that a new season while desirable is not necessary.

Using that criteria...i think Fox would be more inclined to give Dollhouse a second season

I didnt use any criteria? It was just personal opinion.

The most sensible position for fox from a purely financial motive (if you want criteria) is to cancel both shows purely because neither pulled in the ratings set by their own standards (not that either of them were unpopular or poor).

It was of my opinion though if there was a call from above that fox was to keep one show from its friday line up but replace the rest with new material, there would have been more merit from them to pick sarah connor chronicles because it did have marginally better ratings at its lowest and has more content out there (dvds, new movie etc) to attract more viewers for a future season. Dollhouse is suffering not only from a poor start critically but also that the established fanbase expected to come to its defence (Whedon fans) simply are not for the most part and are among the most critical. There's not alot there to tempt fox i am sad to say.

but above all it was my opinion and my opinion is very bias because I enjoyed SCC alot and consider myself a fan and I really really really dont want the series to end where it did, doubly so that idiots wont go around seeing it leads into terminator 1 (which it doesnt)

Honestly the best thing for both shows is to move them off the friday slot but that wont happen anytime soon.

Richard Dower

Wheadon has already said the finale will warp up alot of questions and introduce new ones...he said they did it in such a way so as if it does get cancelled that it'll hold as a standalone FINAL episode...but that there will be enough questions left open for a second season.

I'm sure the only criteria Fox is interested in is numbers and profit...using this both shows are borked. But we only have 15 days left to find out....personally i want both shows to come back as i enjoy both of them.

Ivan

Agree with the comments about acting. Victor was fantastic and Dushku seems to enjoy the bad-girl deal a whole lot more. She certainly seems more comfortable at least.

I really liked the initial idea of the child abuse victim support and would have liked to have seen it go further.

Finally, Alpha is brilliant. Always loved the Wash character from firefly and he demonstrated why he is so good. His initial character was believeable and enjoyable and his little inside jokes are quite funny after the fact. Such as the "err... they are carrots and they were here when I got here. I'm just holding them for a friend".

Victor was brilliant as Dominic and I too believe the "Whiskey" comment was significant.
Especially the fact that the doctor covered it up as a nothing, when it was clear that it could be important. Alphas actions seem to further enhance this. I think maybe the dolls were the original support staff and once Alpha crossed the fence they decided to change this. The doctor was kept on since she was essentially useless as a doll otherwise.

This is the reason Alpha didnt kill her and instead likes to toy with her. I think the "Whiskey" was an activation phrase for the doctor, as Dominic set her up as a double-doll when he was in charge of the Dollhouse.
It's likely that she is the other rogue factor in the dollhouse, her and dominic have set up Ballard to do their work for them while they infiltrate the dollhouse and gather intel on the technology while he builds a case against them.

Most likely Doctor Saunders isnt aware of the fact, being a double-doll and all, set up by dominic as a backdoor/escape route.

JP Liz

Sci Fi Channel in UK is starting showing this in May

anotherlostie

Wow! I was actually quite bored until the last 10 minutes, apart from the Dominic bit, so well acted by Enver Gjokaj. Dushku as the grown up child, and Ballard and Tudyk (who I knew was playing Alpha, but as I didn't know the actor, I didn't know he was the scientist, so I was expecting him to turn up in Tucson and slash poor Sierra instead at the end). But when he slashed Victor, that was one of this season's WTF moments for me. Poor Victor! The scene with the doc and Alpha was seriously tense and creepy; glad he left her alone this time.

I thought the Whiskey reference had to be significant, and don't remember if Amy was in the show the week the non-dolls got infected by the drug and lost their inhibitions.

One of my main concerns with the episode was that Ballard found the Dollhouse. In Season 1! So unless he starts to work with them now, I can't see where they will go with this character, assuming there is still a show to go somewhere with.

Richard Dower

The Dollhouse could just erase Ballards memories of the Dollhouse and maybe even wipe him knowing Mellie is a doll...so they can spy on him again. Saunders was in the Dollhouse when they got infected...but it was spread by touch. We never saw Saunders infected, as such we can assume she wasn't...as such if she is a doll she would not have reacted like one.

lostexpectation

Sherifu wrote: »

I hadn't read anything so when he started slashing it was total shock. Spoilers really ruin something like that, his act up to that was great. Alpha is a badass.

i think the program told us it was him by that stage anyway...

lostexpectation

definetly a spike/drusilla angelus/darla feel from those two at the end.

Richard Dower

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BlitzKrieg

ouch dollhouse took a hammering in comparison to TSCC.

Richard Dower

BlitzKrieg wrote: »

ouch dollhouse took a hammering in comparison to TSCC.

I think the technical term is "The Summer Glau Effect"

roar_ie

Richard Dower wrote: »

Promo for next week looks outstanding! http://tvspoilers-odi.blogspot.com/2009/05/doullhouse-episode-1x12-new-promo.html

Coudln't resist!...too excited, Alpha took all of Echo's imprints incl. her original?...and he say's...only one person can her you now (meaning Caroline aka original imprint)....so who's imprint did Alpha imprint into Echo?

Maybe there is an imprint of someone Alpha knew, maybe someone that got killed and no physical body exists or she got killed as a doll, maybe thats why Alpha freaked out?

Sooo many questions!

Holy crap that looks good. Can't wait

Sherifu

lostexpectation wrote: »

i think the program told us it was him by that stage anyway...

Apart from him being strangely familiar with the computer system I thought it was a very good twist.

iguana

Sherifu wrote: »

Apart from him being strangely familiar with the computer system I thought it was a very good twist.

Sierra had just told Dewitt and Langton that the dead guy she was examining was the man who had created the environmental systems, who Alpha was pretending to be.

Sherifu

iguana wrote: »

Sierra had just told Dewitt and Langton that the dead guy she was examining was the man who had created the environmental systems, who Alpha was pretending to be.

Ya, which was after alpha sliced and diced Viktor's face...

Richard Dower

Someone is getting the permanent chop on Friday.....i fear it's Mellie :-(

Sherifu

It's just as well they have her on a hard drive so...

lostexpectation

Sherifu wrote: »

Apart from him being strangely familiar with the computer system I thought it was a very good twist.

and we know they use dolls for their experts, so as soon as a ecosystems expert was mentioned we knew it was him.

Richard Dower

New interview with the main man, Alpha! http://www.ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=7958

**MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS**

Sherifu

lostexpectation wrote: »

and we know they use dolls for their experts, so as soon as a ecosystems expert was mentioned we knew it was him.

I didn't think so as they were building the doll house at the time. The ecosystems expert was the guy killed at the start, right? Alpha was taking his place. He was a real person, not a doll.