Match Thread: Arsenal V Manchester United(Pre/During/After Match Discussion)

Aquos76

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Barclays Premier League
Emirates Stadium
Saturday 8th November 2008
KO - 12:45 BST
Sky Sports 1

Man Utd have an excellent chance of leaving North London with 3 points this weekend. Arsenal have not impressed in their last 3 outings and have a few injury worries. Also Van Persie is suspended for Arsenal. I reckon fergie will go with

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VDS

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Neville

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Ferdinand

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Vidic

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Evra
Ronaldo

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Carrick

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Anderson

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Park

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Rooney

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Berbatov

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Would probably like to see Fletcher get a game as he usally plays well in big games, Carrick will probably get the nod ahead of him though.

I am going for 1-2 with Gallas for them and Rooney and Ronaldo for Man Utd

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Can't see past a United win tbh.

Comfortable at that.

OPENROAD

On paper Utd should win this match easily but don't underestimate us, I have a feeling we might sneak a win in a hot tempered match.

shane86

Would take a draw, but jaysus Id like to see Wenger get the boot soon. They are stagnating like Spurs under Jol, too content with being nearly men. The talk before Spurs shows this gifted team clearly believe their own hype too much.

2-0 Man U. Might risk a few quid on her.

Unearthly

No chance Man Utd will win this one comfortably. If they took the lead they would probably sit back inviting pressure.

I reckon they will win by one goal though

Dont be at yourself

Can't see past a United win tbh.

Comfortable at that.

I'm not sure about that. Arsenal have been rubbish lately, and they are hit by injuries and suspensions, but I don't think they'll embarrass themselves.

I wouldn't bet on an Arsenal win, but I don't see United having it all their way either.

Bobalicious93

I think this game really depends on which United shows up.
However I am fearing an Arsenal backlash.

I'll go for 3-2 United. Berbatov (2) and Carrick/Fibreglass and Clichy

roryc

Des wrote: »

Can't see past a United win tbh.

Comfortable at that.

I agree... as much as I usually hate putting too much faith in United when they play Arsenal/ Chelsea or 'Pool away, I can't see them getting anything other than a win here.

Arsenal are on a terrible run of results, and missing Van Persie and Adebayor. On the other side of things we have a choice of Tevatov, Roonatov or Roonez up front and Ronaldo ain't playing bad lately either...

United 2-0

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Adebayor is out
van Persie is out

who else

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{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

Adebayor is out
van Persie is out

who else

Rosicky
Eduardo

Jazzy

i think bentdner is gonna lead arsenals attack as they have no fit strikers.
cant really see them scoring unless its something special.

Pighead

Jazzy wrote: »

i think bentdner is gonna lead arsenals attack as they have no fit strikers.
cant really see them scoring unless its something special.

Yer man Vela looks alright. He'll probably get a run at some stage.

Mitch Connor

I reckon it will be a return to the 'dreaded' 451. With the team posted above.... I can't see Fergie leaving Fletcher out. These are the matches Fletcher is perfect for - to beat arsenal you have to hustle their midfield and restrict time/space. The is what Fletcher does.

I reckon Anderson, Fletcher and Carrick will also start. Anderson on the left of the 3. Rooney, Ronaldo and Berbatov will also start, with Rooney floating to the left for defensive duties, but playing more centrally when we have the ball, with Anderson moving to the left to offer width with Evra.

Hopefully Rio will have his head in the game this time out, has been below his usual high standards over the last few games.

As for the result of the game, on paper and form United should win it, but we always have a habbit of making things hard for ourselves and as I feel this is a must win game, I don't see us winning. I reckon it will be a score draw.

United over the last few games have shown defensive weakness and an inability to convert chances (much like Arsenal). Also, we have shown an inability to play for 90 minutes, Celtic was the first game in a while we had managed it and that is probably down to the fact we were losing up til the 83rd.

I don't see it being as easy a game as some are suggesting.

roryc

Jazzy wrote: »

i think bentdner is gonna lead arsenals attack as they have no fit strikers.
cant really see them scoring unless its something special.

If they are a bit stuck up front I reckon they should really risk that guy Vela... I dont rate Bendtner at all


EDIT: pighead beat me to it!

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Des wrote: »

Rosicky
Eduardo

of course

i was talking about

walcott
Silvestre
Bacary Sagna

OPENROAD

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-to-gamble-on-silvestre-for-man-utd

Pepe LeFrits

I expect the Arsenal team will be:

.............. Almunia
.. Sagna Toure Djourou Clichy
Walcott Denilson Fabregas Nasri
................ Diaby
.............. Bendtner

Can't say I'm optimistic, too many players are horribly out of form or out altogether. Best hope is to win from a scrappy goal.

NaiveMelodies

Bobalicious93 wrote: »

I think this game really depends on which United shows up.
However I am fearing an Arsenal backlash.

I'll go for 3-2 United. Berbatov (2) and Carrick/Fibreglass and Clichy

I'd like to think it will be manchester, but who knows.

This will be close. Form means nothing in these games. I'd take a 1 goal win. That said, we're due a W at the Emirates!

Nalz

Pepe LeFrits wrote: »

I expect the Arsenal team will be:

.............. Almunia
.. Sagna Toure Djourou Clichy
Walcott Denilson Fabregas Nasri
................ Diaby
.............. Bendtner

Is Walcott and Sagna fit?

Spud83

Can't see Fergie going anything but 4-4-2 in this game. Arsenal are struggling at the moment and we have to play on that with a quick start and try pin them back a bit. If we go 4-5-1 I think that would lend it self to Arsenal and could let them get into the game, and they are still a very dangerous team, more so if we let them feel there way into the game and get confidence. If it doesn't work out, and we need 5 in midfield then Rooney can be pushed wide.

Better to take an adaptable formation in tomorrow and see how Arsenal line up. Do they have the resources to go with two up top with Ade and Van Persie out? My guess it will be Bendtner on his own and maybe Nasri playing off him.

Utd team for me would be

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???---Rio---Vidic---Evra
---Fletcher-Carrick---
--Ronaldo

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Park--

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Rooney

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Berb

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??? because i don't know our right back situation i.e is Brown or Neville available. If not I can see O'Shea playing there, ahead of Da Silva. To big a game for him at this stage and he would get exposed defensively.

Boggles

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

If we go 4-5-1 I think that would lend it self to Arsenal and could let them get into the game,

Have United gone a traditional 4-5-1 yet this year? I can't remember.

If I were in charge Id go with:

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VDS

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????--Rio----Vida----Paddy
--Carrick--Anderson--Fletch
--Ronaldo

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Rooney

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Berb

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though I would be tempted to go with Tevez over Berbatov from a harrassment point of view.

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alanmurphy83 wrote: »

Utd team for me would be

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VDS

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???---Rio---Vidic---Evra
---Fletcher-Carrick---
--Ronaldo

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Park--

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Rooney

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Berb

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not too sure about Fletcher

rather see Anderson

and Anderson will be starting against Arsenal anyway

Spud83

Deleted User wrote: »

If I were in charge Id go with:

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VDS

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????--Rio----Vida----Paddy
--Carrick--Anderson--Fletch
--Ronaldo

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Rooney

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Berb

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though I would be tempted to go with Tevez over Berbatov from a harrassment point of view.

I dont want to see Rooney out on the wing at the start of the game. And you can say that formation is whatever you what Rooney would end up stuck out left. We should not be scared of Arsenal for this game.

Also Tevez was shocking on Wednesday, Berbatov and Rooney have to start this game up top and let them have a go at a dodgy Arsenal centre half pair.

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

not too sure about Fletcher

rather see Anderson

and Anderson will be starting against Arsenal anyway

Don't know why you would say this. Fletcher has outperformed Anderson this year and Carrick is out best centre mid, after Scholes. I think the reason they both played against Celtic was to give them some game together before the Arsenal match.

wheres me jumpa

Christ I love this fixture, it has probably taken over the game I look forward to most from Liverpool v United at Andfield. The Arsenal injury situation is certainly going to impact the game, even so it will be close and United will do well to come away with a win.

Spud83

Brown is out, Fletcher is a doubt, Neville available.

ROCKMAN

As far as the united team is considered , Think the team nearly pick's itself with only 2 places where I am not sure , Does Fergie keep his blinding faith in Giggs as a midfielder .God I HOPE NOT.(he'll score the winner now;) ) and Nani or Park

For me

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Neville........Rio...........Vidic........Evra

Ronaldo....Carrick....Anderson......Park

.................Rooney......................
..............Berbs

Would not be upset or worried to see Fletcher get a starting role along side Carrick or Anderson. Neville will start IMO . Think Brown ruled out.(slight injury)

Boggles

ROCKMAN wrote: »

As far as the united team is considered , Think the team nearly pick's itself with only 2 places where I am not sure , Does Fergie keep his blinding faith in Giggs as a midfielder

Thought Giggs was man of the match against Everton TBH.

ROCKMAN

Boggles wrote: »

Thought Giggs was man of the match against Everton TBH.

Yes , but s**t against Celtic (goal noted)
Just don't think he can perform week in week out anymore , And against Arsenal don't think he has the legs to live with the pace I expect the game to be played at.
Yes a rested Giggs can be a weapon still , In Europe for me.

alanmurphy83

alanmurphy83 wrote: »

I dont want to see Rooney out on the wing at the start of the game. And you can say that formation is whatever you what Rooney would end up stuck out left. We should not be scared of Arsenal for this game.

You see we won a double, scored a hoop of goals and conceded feck all last year playing that modified 4-3-3 and yet we haven't used it much this season........

Mr Alan

4-5-1 neil, come on

Peyton Manning

Thought this was kinda cool.

Nike had a competition for people to design boots on the Nike website that certain players would wear in tomorrows match. The ones chosen are here.

As you can see, Tevez was wearing his in training today

Mr Alan

Mr Alan wrote: »

4-5-1 neil, come on

"modified".

I dont care if its 6-4-0 cos the amount we scored/conceded and won with it last year as well as playing some unbelievably fancy stuff means it feckin worked.

Frisbee

As an Arsenal fan I can say I'm fairly worried about tomorrows match. I'd take a draw with the way we have been playing and with the injury situation. I'd like to see him play Djourou but I reckon Silvestre will get the nod for:

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Almunia

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Sagna--Toure---Silvestre---Clichy
Walcott---Fab----Denilson/Song*----Nasri--

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Diaby

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Bendtner

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*I reckon wnger will go with Denilson, But he might give Song the nod in order to protect the defense a little more and Give Fab more room to roam about.

Diaby should start behind Bendtner, although I reckon Vela will come on early in the second half.
If walcoot's not fit wouldnt be suprised to see Ramsey on the right. Or Nasri on the right, Diaby on the left with Vela up front beside Bendtner

wandatowell

Bendtner is as about as much use as tits on a mackeral, bloody awful.

Utd's defence is tear him apart tomorrow.

Pro. F

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VDS

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----Neville--Rio--Vidic--Evra----

-Park-Fletch-Anderson-Ronaldo-

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Berbatov--Rooney

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(Rooney and Berbs taking turns to drop deep)
(Park on the right to help protect Neville)

Thats the team I'd love to see but I have a feeling Park will make way for Carrick/Giggs with Rooney dropping to the wing:rolleyes:
I really hope that doesn't happen.

If we go for it this could be a great game and we have a good chance of getting 3 points. Arsenal are still very dangerous but they're having trouble at Centre back and Centre Forward at the mo' ....c'mon Fergie go at them!

Royale with Cheese

3-0 to United. Can't see United not scoring more than one with Arsenal's defence, can't see Arsenal scoring any with nobody in attack.

Necronomicon

Might sound weird, but it makes me a bit nervous that United seem to be such strong favourites. Lots of people said Chelsea were going to steam-roll United earlier in the season, and it turned out to be a really tight affair. I can see this being the same, settled by a single goal maybe.

Fuzzy_Dunlop

While United clearly have the advantage with the **** form and injuries for arsenal, think it will be a scrappy affair with the midfield packed and not too much in it.

Really annoyed that RvP got himself suspended, he's started picking up form the last few games(particularly the spurs game). Which can't be said for the likes of Cesc, though he does usually turns it on for the big games so fingers crossed. If Neville is playing and Walcott is fit then maybe playing him on the left wouldn't be a bad idea. Bendtner was muck the last game but I do think he is a very good player(certainly not as bad as some people label him) and hopefully he can pull a big game out of the bag. Vela might be able to add a spark later on in the game too, unless of course he starts.

That said still very nervous about this one and fully expect Arsenal to ruin my b day in spectacular fashion(i.e 3-0 up at half time followed by second half collapse where almunia gets himself sent off after 3 subs have been made and Kolo ends up in goal making a spectacular save only for Silvestre to score an equally spectacular own goal to lose the game in injury time:pac:)

As a gunner...


... I might wake up late tomorrow intentionally. I think we might get steam-rolled.

Form is a funny thing lads.

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Deleted User wrote: »

Form is a funny thing lads.

You are only saying that just in case United lose.

But you know in your heart that they won't. They will easily overcome Arsenal tomorrow.

Irishcrx

The big games can be a bit funny, Arsenal are on a bad run at the moment and Utd are picking up form but both sides will be up for it and the best thing about football is that...anything can happen. As a Utd fan I hope we hammer them but I've a feeling it won't be as easy as it's being made out to be.

RasTa

Des wrote: »

You are only saying that just in case United lose.

But you know in your heart that they won't. They will easily overcome Arsenal tomorrow.

Don't think it will be easy to be honest. Different game this, form out the window.

I'm hoping we will win but our defense hasn't being too good from set pieces lately. I'd go for a draw.

Mitch Connor

Des wrote: »

You are only saying that just in case United lose.

But you know in your heart that they won't. They will easily overcome Arsenal tomorrow.

I felt like that before United took on a liverpool side without Torres or Gerrard. Didn't work out too well.

United should be able to win tomorrow, but our record at the Emerites is not good, and United's recent performances have been far from convincing.

Des

Des wrote: »

You are only saying that just in case United lose.

But you know in your heart that they won't. They will easily overcome Arsenal tomorrow.

negative. I'm saying that because that's what i reminded all the Chawsea fans of before we went to the Birdge. Everyone, United fans included thought Chelsea were easily good for a 3 or 4 nil.

When the big 4 play it's always gonna be tight. l'Arse are at home too making it that bit more difficult. It's also a ground we've never won at. Plus arsenal are like a wonded animal right now, never a good time to play a team.

Bobalicious93

Deleted User wrote: »

It's also a ground we've never won at.

In fairness, how many times have we played there? Twice?

Nalz

Des wrote: »

But you know in your heart that they won't. They will easily overcome Arsenal tomorrow.

They should really - only Fletcher and Brown doubts. Hargreaves and Scholes out obviously. I hope Tevez & Anderson start but I doubt the Lion will.

I expect:

VDS, Rio, Vidic, Evra, Neville, Anderson, Giggs, Park, Ronaldo, Berbatov, Rooney


In other news, Maradona gave Rio a signed shirt for his 30th today at training today

Galvasean

I would expect United to win 2-1 or 3-1. Arsenal's defense is a bit shambolic at the moment plus missing some key players. i's say Nasri is Arsenal's best chance for a goalscorer tomorrow.

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id say Arsenal will be really up for it

really tight match

1-0 to united berba to score

its going to be very interesting when utd have some corners
vidic,Ronaldo,berba and Rio

all capable of a goal during the corners