Gay marriage

MagicMarker

MooseJam wrote: »

If a boy was raised by two effeminate gays, you know very camp like, I don't know what the official term is, but wouldn't he pick up the accent from them, even if he was straight, so he would end up talking like a queen

There are boys like that who weren't raised by gay people, and they themselves are not necessarily gay.

MagicMarker

Varkov wrote: »

The whole argument about gays and infertile couples being comparable just doesn't stand.

An infertile couple could still provide the child with the ideal family unit, as apposed to gays.

What about single mothers? Should their kids be taken away from them? After all it's not ''ideal''.

oeb

MooseJam wrote: »

If a boy was raised by two effeminate gays, you know very camp like, I don't know what the official term is, but wouldn't he pick up the accent from them, even if he was straight, so he would end up talking like a queen

When I lived in Australia, my parents spoke with an Irish accent, I spoke with an Australian one.

That might be an issue if their parents are camp, all their teachers are camp, every kid in their school is camp, their grand parents are camp, the local shop keeper is camp, and little jenny down the road is camp.

Untill then, I would not worry about it.

Dudess

MooseJam wrote: »

they cure homosexuals in the US, I saw a tv program about it

They don't "cure" them - what's to be "cured"?... :rolleyes:

MooseJam wrote: »

If a boy was raised by two effeminate gays, you know very camp like, I don't know what the official term is, but wouldn't he pick up the accent from them, even if he was straight, so he would end up talking like a queen

LOL :rolleyes:

oeb

Varkov wrote: »

The whole argument about gays and infertile couples being comparable just doesn't stand.

An infertile couple could still provide the child with the ideal family unit, as apposed to gays.

Bull.

Provide evidence.

Articles have been linked to from this thread showing that there is no evidence shown in studies that gay parents can be just as suitable as straight parents.

DubArk

Varkov wrote: »

The whole argument about gays and infertile couples being comparable just doesn't stand.

An infertile couple could still provide the child with the ideal family unit, as apposed to gays.

Keep up with the thread and stop trolling, so where did your parents go so wrong? :rolleyes:

MooseJam

Dudess wrote: »

They don't "cure" them - what's to be "cured"?... :rolleyes:

um the fact they they are attracted to the wrong sex, call it a sickness, a disorder whatever, you can be as PC as you like and say it's normal but what if every child born was gay, we'd be up sh1t creek then wouldn't we

javaboy

MooseJam wrote: »

um the fact they they are attracted to the wrong sex, call it a sickness, a disorder whatever, you can be as PC as you like and say it's normal but what if every child born was gay, we'd be up sh1t creek then wouldn't we

What if every child was born male? We'd be screwed then too. I guess being a guy is a disease. :rolleyes:

Nobody's talking about everybody being gay. I'm pretty sure that's an unlikely prospect.
You're free to view homosexuality as a disorder if you want. It certainly doesn't seem to fit in with the usual order of things i.e. survival of the species but who gives a damn? We've evolved to the point where we don't rely entirely on survival of the fittest. We protect the weak, sick, old and young in our society and we afford them the same respect and entitlements as we do everyone else.

So yeah you're free to see being gay as an illness if you want to. Just as long as you don't mind some black people viewing white people as a diseased version of the original species too.

Varkov

MagicMarker wrote:

What about single mothers? Should their kids be taken away from them? After all it's not ''ideal''.

No, it's not ideal. That's why you'll find that its alot harder for single people to adopt, because preference will be given to whole family units ie. mother and a father.

oeb wrote: »

Bull.

Provide evidence.

Articles have been linked to from this thread showing that there is no evidence shown in studies that gay parents can be just as suitable as straight parents.

Do you mean unsuitable?

In my opinion regardless of and studies, for the best possible mental health and growth of a child, a classic family unit of both a mother and a father should always have preference.

MooseJam

Well whats your view on paedophiles, now I'm not saying gays are paedophiles, but it's similar, in that both are attracted to the "wrong" thing

DubArk

MooseJam wrote: »

um the fact they they are attracted to the wrong sex, call it a sickness, a disorder whatever, you can be as PC as you like and say it's normal but what if every child born was gay, we'd be up sh1t creek then wouldn't we

Trolling is so tiresome if you really have something to contribute of any fact or reason please do so, otherwise go away and play with yourself.

Varkov

DubArk wrote: »

Trolling is so tiresome if you really have something to contribute of any fact or reason please do so, otherwise go away and play with yourself.

Dude, will you ever piss off telling everyone to stop trolling because we're voiceing our opinions that are different to yours.

Why don't you offer something constructive to say rather than harping on "stop trolling" "dont feed the troll" trying to get kudos from the regulars.


Anyway, I agree with MooseJam, not that being gay is a disease, but rather a mental disorder. Socially acceptable to a degree perhaps, but a disorder none the less.

oeb

Varkov wrote: »

No, it's not ideal. That's why you'll find that its alot harder for single people to adopt, because preference will be given to whole family units ie. mother and a father.



Do you mean unsuitable?

In my opinion regardless of and studies, for the best possible mental health and growth of a child, a classic family unit of both a mother and a father should always have preference.

Your opinion is irrelivant to this discussion unless it has some grounding on fact.

Support your arguments, otherwise you are just a troll.

Dudess

MooseJam wrote: »

Well whats your view on paedophiles, now I'm not saying gays are paedophiles, but it's similar, in that both are attracted to the "wrong" thing

It's a sexual orientation, just like homosexuality is, just like heterosexuality is. And you can't "cure" a sexual orientation. That "gay curing" stuff in the States is laughed at for the whole bible-bashing lunacy of it...

Paedophiles actually find children sexually desirable and they can't help feeling that way - they just should not act on it because sex should be between consenting people.

javaboy

MooseJam wrote: »

Well whats your view on paedophiles, now I'm not saying gays are paedophiles, but it's similar, in that both are attracted to the "wrong" thing

You're not going to get the answer you're looking for here. Sorry.

I am indifferent to paedophiles as long as their sexual orientation does not affect someone else negatively.

Attracted to kids? Fine. They can't help it. Acting on their urges with kids? Nope. That's bold. Kids can't give consent.

Attracted to the same sex? Fine. They can't help it. Acting on their urges? Fine. They're not hurting anyone.


Now I'm going to pre-empt the question about whether I'm ok with paedophile adoption by saying that I think the adoption vetting process would probably eliminate them anyway as they would pose a heightened risk for child molestation. Just as it would eliminate potentially bad homosexual and heterosexual parents.

DubArk

Varkov wrote: »

Dude, will you ever piss off telling everyone to stop trolling because we're voiceing our opinions that are different to yours.

Why don't you offer something constructive to say rather than harping on "stop trolling" "dont feed the troll" trying to get kudos from the regulars.


Anyway, I agree with MooseJam, not that being gay is a disease, but rather a mental disorder. Socially acceptable to a degree perhaps, but a disorder none the less.

If you read the thread i have offered many opions, so try and read them before you type next time. My posts are full of facts not some sort of childish game that you and the Moose are playing DUDE!! :rolleyes:

javaboy

Varkov wrote: »

Why don't you offer something constructive to say

Varkov wrote: »

NO GAYZ TODAYZ!!!

That is all.

thelordofcheese

MooseJam wrote: »

Well whats your view on paedophiles, now I'm not saying gays are paedophiles, but it's similar, in that both are attracted to the "wrong" thing

There is so much wrong condensed into this one sentance.

It's amazing, we should preserve this post in amber so that future generations can look upon it and despair.

Dudess

Throwing out controversial statements without backing them up... smells like trolling to me.

oeb

MooseJam wrote: »

Well whats your view on paedophiles, now I'm not saying gays are paedophiles, but it's similar, in that both are attracted to the "wrong" thing

Homosexuality is something that happens between two consenting adults, and conserns no one other that the two of them.

Paedophillia involves a sexual relationship between an adult and a child. Under Irish law, a child is not capeable of making an informed decision and granting consent to this. It is a form of child abuse. This can be either homosexual or hetrosexual in nature.

What's your point?

"OMG, IF WE LET GAYS MARRY WE SHOULD LET PEADOS RAPE KIDS CAUSE THATS LIKE EXACTLY THE SAME!!111!one"

Homosexuality and Paedophillia have nothing to do with one another.

DubArk

Dudess wrote: »

Throwing out controversial statements without backing them up... smells like trolling to me.

Varkov
Is that constructive enough for you and the regulars? LOL

MooseJam

javaboy wrote: »

I am indifferent to paedophiles as long as their sexual orientation does not affect someone else negatively.

Personally I'm fine with gay marriage, and gay adoption, there's enough kids out there without a home. I was just making the point that it's not "normal", if there was a cure for it I'm sure many gay's would take it.

SV

MooseJam wrote: »

Personally I'm fine with gay marriage, and gay adoption, there's enough kids out there without a home. I was just making the point that it's not "normal", if there was a cure for it I'm sure many gay's would take it.

If it was 'normal' to be homosexual would you take a pill to become a homosexual?

javaboy

MooseJam wrote: »

Personally I'm fine with gay marriage, and gay adoption

You have a funny way of showing it.

I was just making the point that it's not "normal", if there was a cure for it I'm sure many gay's would take it.

Start a poll on the LGB forum and see.

Zillah

Avah Clean Repairman wrote: »

I am no bigot. Chose your words wisely...

You make up "facts" to support bigoted views and insult me when I ask for your sources. You're a bigot. How's that for carefully chosen?

Zillah

Varkov wrote: »

In my opinion regardless of and studies, for the best possible mental health and growth of a child, a classic family unit of both a mother and a father should always have preference.

You realise you just admitted to being a crazy person, right? You have a belief, and you don't care what the facts are, you're going to keep that belief no matter what. That's pretty much the definition of insane.

WooPeeA

Why should anyone have a problem with gay marriages? It's just a business of 2 people involved in that relationship and nobody else. I'm finding being against as a little ignorant.

Big YES from me.

DubArk

MooseJam wrote: »

Personally I'm fine with gay marriage, and gay adoption, there's enough kids out there without a home. I was just making the point that it's not "normal", if there was a cure for it I'm sure many gay's would take it.

Again absolutely no bloody idea what your talking about.

If I took this magical pill I would have not had the last 24 years with the person whom I fell in love with.

A person that is so unique that I couldn’t judge them on just their sex but on their personality, kindness, generosity, love, tenderness and strengths, intelligence, wit, humour and their love towards me.

So how many pills will I have to take to get rid of all that.

Rohypnol I suppose will do the job? Will it?

And you're "NORMAL"? :rolleyes:

If only yer ma took the pill!

javaboy

Zillah wrote: »

You realise you just admitted to being a crazy person, right? You have a belief, and you don't care what the facts are, you're going to keep that belief no matter what. That's pretty much the definition of insane.

DubArk wrote: »

And you're "NORMAL"? :rolleyes:

If only yer ma took the pill!

Lads, they're not worth the infractions/bannings.

Resi12

It is not fair why should people who this does not affect one bit get's to vote my future life....

KnifeWRENCH

MooseJam wrote: »

Well whats your view on paedophiles, now I'm not saying gays are paedophiles, but it's similar, in that both are attracted to the "wrong" thing

I died a little inside after reading that.
Is your surname Phelps by any chance?

Dudess

Because, Resi, they find it icky! Is that not enough...?!

Zillah

javaboy wrote: »

Lads, they're not worth the infractions/bannings.

I don't think telling someone that what they're saying is crazy is infractable.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Sorry for this post, I will not lower myself to your level with the insults. I will keep my emotions in line in future.

DubArk

javaboy wrote: »

Lads, they're not worth the infractions/bannings.

True True i should do what my father always used to say " Never catch a bouncing ball!"

Back on topic!

Varkov

Ok, I think many of us are getting bogged down in the adoption issue more than anything.

This is the last I'm going to say on it anyway.

Gay marriage - No, not in the Catholic Church. If they want to get married, join a religion that allows it.

Gay civil union - Yes, they have every right to the same state benafits as a married couple.

Gay adoption - No, I don't think its fair on the children.

Zillah

Avah Clean Repairman wrote: »

They are facts which I get from books, studies and reports from medical professors.

Which books, studies and medical professors support your view that same sex parents are inferior?

WooPeeA

Varkov wrote: »

Gay marriage - No, not in the Catholic Church. If they want to get married, join a religion that allows it.

Let's say they joined the religion that allows it.. so what? Still cannot get married because some religious groups keep their hand on "secular" law and public organizations that are made to create that law.

edit:

Look at this poll, it clearly shows that people want it, but there's nothing they can do until they finally kick these groups out of politics.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Are you really that stupid? You must be for asking such stupid questions.

Who said they were inferior? Nobody!!! Stop putting words in peoples mouths. Actually, stop posting ****e, will ya?

Do you remember every single fact that you have come accross in your life? Do you know where you read every single piece of information. The answer to that is no. Lucky we have google, eh?

oeb

Zillah wrote: »

Which books, studies and medical professors support your view that same sex parents are inferior?

The Holy Bible, Duh. And we all know that's infallible and has never been wrong about anything else.

:rolleyes:

oeb

Avah Clean Repairman wrote: »

Are you really that stupid? You must be for asking such stupid questions.

Who said they were inferior? Nobody!!! Stop putting words in peoples mouths. Actually, stop posting ****e, will ya?

Do you remember every single fact that you have come accross in your life? Do you know where you read every single piece of information. The answer to that is no. Lucky we have google, eh?

What a great point!

THEN USE IT TO REFRENCE YOUR ARGUMENTS.

Anything you 'read years ago' that is conflicting to other real, refrenced, research, but for some reason has no traces online will be seen by everyone in this thread as having been pulled out of your ass unless you refrence it.

Zillah

Avah Clean Repairman wrote: »

Who said they were inferior? Nobody!!! Stop putting words in peoples mouths. Actually, stop posting ****e, will ya?

You said:

Well for a child to have a normal childhood and not be effected mentally then that child should have a parent of both sexes. I am sorry, but having two same sex parents with no influence of the opposite sex, that child may grow up distorted. This is not an opinion, it is a fact.

So yes, you're essentially asserting that same sex parents are inferior to both-sex parents.

Do you remember every single fact that you have come accross in your life? Do you know where you read every single piece of information. The answer to that is no. Lucky we have google, eh?

If I can't remember where they come from then I'll look them up before spouting them on a public forum. At first you claimed you had gotten that delightful little factoid from "books, studies and medical professors", now you're admitting you have no idea where you got it.

So I suggest you go do your research or just admit you're wrong. The reason you're getting so angry is because you know how silly you're being and it's embarrassing.

MooseJam

WooPeeA wrote: »

Look at this poll, it clearly shows that people want it, but there's nothing they can do until they finally kick these groups out of politics.

I don't think a poll of boards users would reflect the general public consensus.

Zillah

MooseJam wrote: »

I don't think a poll of boards users would reflect the general public consensus.

I agree, the thousands of conservative Catholic Grannies/Mummies are unlikely to be posting on After Hours. Boards is well known for having a large liberal contingent.

oeb

MooseJam wrote: »

I don't think a poll of boards users would reflect the general public consensus.

I agree 100%. Untill you get your grandmother posting on boards it never will. I don't think I would be too far off the mark if I were to suggest that the age demograph that the typicial boards user would fall into would be one of the demographs with a typicially low voter turn out.

Boards polls are only relevant to what boards users think.

javaboy

MooseJam wrote: »

I don't think a poll of boards users would reflect the general public consensus.

oeb wrote: »

I agree 100%. Untill you get your grandmother posting on boards it never will. I don't think I would be too far off the mark if I were to suggest that the age demograph that the typicial boards user would fall into would be one of the demographs with a typicially low voter turn out.

Boards polls are only relevant to what boards users think.

+1. The proof is in Leinster House.

Zillah

You skipped me

thelordofcheese

Zillah wrote: »

I agree, the thousands of conservative Catholic Grannies/Mummies are unlikely to be posting on After Hours. Boards is well known for having a large liberal contingent.

That and reality has a well documented liberal bias.

javaboy

Zillah wrote: »

You skipped me

Don't worry, thelordofcheese quoted your post so everybody's even.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Zillah wrote: »

You said:

So yes, you're essentially asserting that same sex parents are inferior to both-sex parents.



If I can't remember where they come from then I'll look them up before spouting them on a public forum. At first you claimed you had gotten that delightful little factoid from "books, studies and medical professors", now you're admitting you have no idea where you got it.

So I suggest you go do your research or just admit you're wrong. The reason you're getting so angry is because you know how silly you're being and it's embarrassing.

I never said that they were inferior, I said that the child will grow up distorted. Might have more love, and be happier than in a conventional family but the influences that the 2 gay parents will have on that child is not so good for that childs sexual orientation.

I said I read it from a book, I did, I didn't in any of my sentences say that I don't know where I got it from, I said I do not remember exactly where I got it from, yes a book, but what book I do not remember. I can surely find some links to similar studies, but they won't be the exact readings I have read.