Ireland squad to play Poland

tomred1

Republic of Ireland Squad v Poland:
Goalkeepers
Shay Given (Newcastle United)
Dean Kiely (West Brom)
Joe Murphy (Scunthorpe United)

Defenders
Paul McShane (Hull City)
John O'Shea (Manchester United)
Richard Dunne (Manchester City)
Kevin Kilbane (Wigan Athletic)
Alex Bruce (Ipswich Town)
Damien Delaney (QPR)
Kevin Foley (Wolves)

Midfielders
Aiden McGeady (Glasgow Celtic)
Keith Andrews (Blackburn Rovers)
Darron Gibson (Manchester United)
Glenn Whelan (Stoke City)
Damien Duff (Newcastle United)
Stephen Hunt (Reading)
Liam Miller (Sunderland)
Andy Keogh (Wolves)

Forwards
Robbie Keane (Liverpool)
Kevin Doyle (Reading)
Anthony Stokes (Sheffield United)
Caleb Folan (Hull City)
Shane Long (Reading)

_blank_

:rolleyes:

Xavi6

What a joke yet again.

Badabing

Liam Miller why :mad:

_blank_

Xavi6 wrote: »

What a joke yet again.

Don't want to go upsetting people.

CantGetNoSleep

Absolutely baffled by this - expected to see at least one of McCarthy, Delap or Garvan given a chance

Looking at that squad, we shouldn't be surprised if we don't get to a world cup anytime soon

Badabing

Paun Mcshane why :mad: , and also Mcgeady is out injured for 2-3 weeks.

zAbbo

Can someone rename this thread to

"Ireland Squad 2008-2010"

Can't see much experimentation, and I thought it would be perfect to bring in Carsley or Delap and have a look at them, especially Lee - he's been great from Brum and obviously still has it.

Mr Alan

surely Delap should be in this squad?

Bubs101

Mr Alan wrote: »

surely Delap should be in this squad?

+1. He's better than practically all of the centre midfield options there, same goes for Carsley.

Aslo, surely 6 centre forwards is overkill. Keogh maybe down as a midfielder but he's most certainly not

LuckyLloyd

I'd have had Delap in instead of Gibson. I'd also have had Grogan in instead of one from Keogh / Folan / Long.

Unfortunately though, I think this squad is a clear indication of where his colors lie on the mast for the rest of this WC campaign. No point whining about it from here on in.

Draupnir

Des wrote: »

:rolleyes:

What's the problem with that squad Des? No LOI players?

I think Trappatoni is trying to develop a strong sense of team amongst a group of players that he considers his best squad currently and the best group of players to try and qualify for 2010, which is his mandate after all.

Experimentation is something I think he will/would prefer to do outside of competitive campaigns, which I'm sure you will agree with, hasn't that been your own style of management with Boardeaux?

I'd expect that he will have another training camp in the Summer which will give more time for experimentation and trying out of players.

_blank_

Draupnir wrote: »

Experimentation is something I think he will/would prefer to do outside of competitive campaigns, which I'm sure you will agree with, hasn't that been your own style of management with Boardeaux?

This isn't a competitive match.

ntlbell

Draupnir wrote: »

What's the problem with that squad Des? No LOI players?

Des won't be happy till half the team is made up of

home farm/belvo/newtown rangers and the poppin tree massive from the mun are in the squad.

Draupnir

Des wrote: »

This isn't a competitive match.

I know that! It's a single game though, in the history of Senior International football I don't know of any manager that has undergone wild experimentation with their squad whilst in the middle of a competitive campaign for a single friendly calendar.

These one off's are usually about two things:

a. Managers Point of View = Get the players who will play the next competitive match together and build team spirit while working on tactics and mistakes from last competitive game.

b. FAI Point of View (I know you will like this one) = Hold it at Croke Park, bundle it with competitive games and make a stack of money.

I think Trappatoni has decided on the base of players available and useful for this current competitive campaign and that no experimentation will take place until said campaign is over and done with. Unless a Summer tour or training camp takes place with the specific aim of adding players to the base of regular players.

I very much doubt that you disagree with that kind of logical, tactical thinking on the managers part.

tomred1

Is Carsley not retired?

newballsplease

i cannot believe lee carsley isnt in the squad. with S.Reid out, he is exactly the type of player we need in there. i trust trap, but im having serious doubts.

Draupnir

ntlbell wrote: »

Des won't be happy till half the team is made up of

home farm/belvo/newtown rangers and the poppin tree massive from the mun are in the squad.

I think you are being a bit unfair there.

newballsplease

tomred1 wrote: »

Is Carsley not retired?

no, he is still willing to play

ntlbell

Draupnir wrote: »

I think you are being a bit unfair there.

no unfair is constantly whining and crying about the ireland team and the manager.

The LOI players are not picked because they're not good enough it's as simple as that

_blank_

ntlbell wrote: »

no unfair is constantly whining and crying about the ireland team and the manager.

The LOI players are not picked because they're not good enough it's as simple as that

Am I the only one complaining about this squad?

No.

Are there non-LoI people complaining about this squad?

No.

Are YOU happy with this squad?

vestanpance

No Andy Reid, is he injured?

stovelid

Agree with the Carsley comments.

I see little point in even mentioning Reid at this stage.

ntlbell

Des wrote: »

Am I the only one complaining about this squad?

No.

Are there non-LoI people complaining about this squad?

No.

Are YOU happy with this squad?

I'm talking about your terminal non stop moaning about everything related to the irish team not just this squad.

I'm happy to let the manager get on with doing what he thinks is right and to see if he can get us to the world cup.

There's a reason he's one of the most successful mangers in the world and you manage a few lads from boards.

Pure Cork

ntlbell wrote: »

The LOI players are not picked because they're not good enough it's as simple as that

We've been through this. LOI players are good enough to start for better international teams than the Republic of Ireland, but they won't be considered under any circumstances for the Republic of Ireland team.

_blank_

ntlbell wrote: »

a few lads from boards.

Taking a pop at Boardeaux now?

Lowest of the low you are.

I've reported your post, but as usual, nothing will be done.

Xavi6

ntlbell wrote: »

There's a reason he's one of the most successful mangers in the world and you manage a few lads from boards.

:rolleyes: Are cheap shots really necessary?

bigstar

even with one of the most successful managers in the world, that squad will find it hard to qualify for 2010

ntlbell

Pure Cork wrote: »

We've been through this. LOI players are good enough to start for better international teams than the Republic of Ireland, but they won't be considered under any circumstances for the Republic of Ireland team.

Yes we have and it still doesn't seem to sink in.

99.9% of LOI players given the chance would go to the uk.

99.9% of LOI who are good enough go.

99.9% of the players playing in the LOI today are not good enough to play in the UK.

100% of the current squad are.

when a LOI player has been given a chance they were a big let down.

crowe being a good example

trap is no gobsheen if there was anyone in the LOI who could genuinely add something to INTERNATIONAL football he would pick them

ntlbell

Des wrote: »

Taking a pop at Boardeaux now?

Lowest of the low you are.

I've reported your post, but as usual, nothing will be done.

how is it taken a pop?

_blank_

ntlbell wrote: »

...

Ignoring being called up on your cheap shot there.

Well done.

ntlbell

Des wrote: »

Ignoring being called up on your cheap shot there.

Well done.

I asked how it was a cheap shot.

Pointing out the obvious fact of making footballing decisions at the level of boards team and international football are worlds apart?

yes real cheap.

Draupnir

ntlbell wrote: »

I asked how it was a cheap shot.

Pointing out the obvious fact of making footballing decisions at the level of boards team and international football are worlds apart?

yes real cheap.

Making football decisions at no level at all and making them at boards team level are also worlds apart.

Are you basically saying that you should stop making points because you haven't any experience of management without realising?

_blank_

Backtracking because you were called on it doesn't make it any less troll like.

You can say what you want.

It was a cheap dig at me and the team and everyone associated with it.

But don't worry.

It will be ignored, as usual.

ntlbell

Draupnir wrote: »

Making football decisions at no level at all and making them at boards team level are also worlds apart.

Are you basically saying that you should stop making points because you haven't any experience of management without realising?

Yes they're.

Hence why I don't whine about every descion he makes.

should we not reach the world cup and he fails at his objective

then we're all entitled to one.

ntlbell

Des wrote: »

Backtracking because you were called on it doesn't make it any less troll like.

You can say what you want.

It was a cheap dig at me and the team and everyone associated with it.

But don't worry.

It will be ignored, as usual.

How am I back tracking i said what i said.

It wasn't a cheap shot it's the reality of the situation.

_blank_

ntlbell wrote: »

How am I back tracking i said what i said.

It wasn't a cheap shot it's the reality of the situation.

You can keep saying that, it won't change the facts.

But ho-hum.

You can have your little opinion of me and the team.

ntlbell

Des wrote: »

You can keep saying that, it won't change the facts.

But ho-hum.

You can have your little opinion of me and the team.

Now you're getting a bit childish.

I didn't say anything bad about the team.

please quote me where i said anything bad about any player or the team or their manager.

Pure Cork

ntlbell wrote: »

Yes we have and it still doesn't seem to sink in.

99.9% of LOI players given the chance would go to the uk.

99.9% of LOI who are good enough go.

99.9% of the players playing in the LOI today are not good enough to play in the UK.

100% of the current squad are.

when a LOI player has been given a chance they were a big let down.

crowe being a good example

trap is no gobsheen if there was anyone in the LOI who could genuinely add something to INTERNATIONAL football he would pick them

Crowe is muck. The past is the past. You can't judge all LOI players by citing Crowe.

A City player turned down two Championship clubs and continued to play for 30% of his wages.

99% are good enough for the UK? What leagues are we talking about here? Just the Championship and the Premier League? I presume so because otherwise your point isn't valid.

Players who've struggled in the Championship and play reserve team football are obviously what you want, so fair enough.

Can't argue with the fact that there are LOI players playing for better international teams than the Republic of Ireland.

Xavi6

ntlbell wrote: »

How am I back tracking i said what i said.

It wasn't a cheap shot it's the reality of the situation.

But then the logic would apply that you are nothing more than a poster on an internet forum who is essentially a barstooler. Surely you would know less and you opinion would carry less weight than someone like Des who deals with a team and players week in, week out.

Drummerboy2

Getting back on topic. I’m very dissappointed about this squad. I can understand Trap keeping a tightly knit squad but there are a few players who would be worth having a look at in a meaningless friendly. Chris McCann and Owen Garvan are two I would certainly had in my squad. Both playing extremely well. Andy Reid has never played for Trapp. Given the fact that Trap doesn't attend matches, surely Reid deserves a chance to show what he can do in a green jersey. Keeping players like Liam Miller in the squad is pointless.

_blank_

ntlbell wrote: »

Now you're getting a bit childish.

Childish is taking a pop at an amateur side and it's associates to further your argument.

But whatever.

Back on topic.

ntlbell

Xavi6 wrote: »

But then the logic would apply that you are nothing more than a poster on an internet forum who is essentially a barstooler. Surely you would know less and you opinion would carry less weight than someone like Des who deals with a team and players week in, week out.

I am nothing more than a poster on an internet forum.

Very well observed xavi.

Vokes

Reid isn't injured.

I guess then there is a problem of some sort between him and Trap.

ntlbell

SofaK wrote: »

Reid isn't injured.

I guess then there is a problem of some sort between him and Trap.

the only thing that seems reasonable is the weight issue

ShooterSF

Before now he was atleast making the squad bench. I guess this is Traps way of showing who's boss, hope it doesnt hurt us.

On the Carsley, Delap issue maybe its that he feels they would be past it by the time the world cup comes around and doesnt want to have to replace them afterwards with unused, unproven players...

Xavi6

ntlbell wrote: »

I am nothing more than a poster on an internet forum.

Very well observed xavi.

So you're no more qualified than Des yet it's ok to demean him like that? Just wondering like.

Why are you right? Criticising Des with cheap shots is low.

Benedict XVI

When Trap was announced as manager people in the know said that he was very conservative in his approcah.

he has shown this in squad selection and the way the team has played (v Cyprus for example)

So why are people suprised ?

gustavo

ntlbell wrote: »

Yes we have and it still doesn't seem to sink in.



99.9% of the players playing in the LOI today are not good enough to play in the UK.

100% of the current squad are.

So now I understand

The key to it is to be "good enough to play in the UK"

I had a bit of a kickaround in a park in London once so :cool:I expect Trap has been monitoring my progress ever since and a callup is a mere formality at this stage

ntlbell

Xavi6 wrote: »

So you're no more qualified than Des yet it's ok to demean him like that? Just wondering like.

Why are you right? Criticising Des with cheap shots is low.

right about what?

Saying lets give the most successful manager in the world a chance before we moan and groan about every desicsion he makes?

there was no cheap shots just a bit of perspective

_blank_

ntlbell wrote: »

there was no cheap shots just a bit of perspective

Why bring Boardeaux into it at all.

Your backtracking is laughable.