Settle a bet - Rene Heguita

super_furry

When the former Colombian goalkeeper did that daft back-flip kick against England was the ball in play or had the whistle already gone by the time the ball got to him?

Mitch Connor

super_furry wrote: »

When the former Colombian goalkeeper did that daft back-flip kick against England was the ball in play or had the whistle already gone by the time the ball got to him?

ball was still in play - it was a save.

ziggy

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JeanClaude

100% The whistle had gone by the time it reached him. Free out i think..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

No, in play. They continued playing after it happened.

empirix

no that was the real deal, still in play 100% - brilliant moment!!

JPA

He thought it was out of play, that's why he did it, but it wasn't.

JeanClaude

Sorry lads i still say the goal wouldn't have stood...(i can always remember that) whether "the whistle had already gone by the time the ball got to him" I jumped the gun on that one..:p but if he had made a mess of it and the ball ended up in the net i still say it wouldn't have counted, i think the linesman had his flag up for offside..

HalloweenJack

What whistle?

Can't see an offside in there either.

Third_Echelon

Ball was in play... No offside, no whistle lads...

LuckyLloyd

First time I've watched that in years. Seeing it again, the bat**** insane nature of it is striking.

zAbbo

Whistle had gone, it was offside.

How are people arguing anything other than that?

THE SCORPION KICK - WOULD IT HAVE COUNTED?

Can you settle an office dispute? asks Chris Walsh. During England's goalless draw with Columbia in 1995 had the referee already blown for offside when Rene Higuita made his infamous save?

Cast your mind back to September 1995, Chris. Alan Shearer was in the midst of his England goalscoring drought, Gazza had just dyed his hair jet black, and the only highlight of a tedious 0-0 draw with Columbia was a remarkable save by Higuita in the 22nd minute.

Jamie Redknapp's lob was heading towards goal when the Columbian keeper dived under the ball and performed an astonishing airborne back-flick to clear the ball away. The Scorpion Kick was born.

Producers of zany sporting highlights shows were rubbing their hands with glee. And soon it was forgotten that the goal wouldn't have counted anyway, because the linesman's flag was up for offside. Higuita, however, insisted he was not aware of that.

"I have never seen anything like that before," England coach Terry Venables told reporters afterwards. "He must have given his last three managers heart attacks. I like to see those sort of things - as long as they come from the other goalkeeper." Boom, boom.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2002/jan/28/theknowledge.sport

I'll always remember him for this instead

about 1.30 in...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxSfigjaRw

eirebhoy

zAbbo wrote: »

Whistle had gone, it was offside.

How are people arguing anything other than that?

The whistle wasn't blown. The flag was up but the match continued. Wiki is wrong. Sure look at them playing on and him apologising to his teammates...

JeanClaude

zAbbo wrote: »

Whistle had gone, it was offside.

How are people arguing anything other than that?


http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2002/jan/28/theknowledge.sport

I'll always remember him for this instead

about 1.30 in...

Thanks very much zABBo, , as for the rest of ye....:p.....:D

super_furry

That'll do Quids in. I'm was 100% sure that the game restarted with a free-kick a few seconds after that clip ended.

TripleAce

Silly thing to do in a WC game....is this the same year when Escobar was later murdered for missing the penalty?

JeanClaude

TripleAce wrote: »

Silly thing to do in a WC game....is this the same year when Escobar was later murdered for missing the penalty?

Not trying to start another debate, but didn't Escobar score an OG?, not miss a penalty..

bohsman

TripleAce wrote: »

Silly thing to do in a WC game....is this the same year when Escobar was later murdered for missing the penalty?

Escobar scored an og and was later murdered - the 2 may or may not be related. And happened 4 years later, the above goal is from WC 90.

eirebhoy

England foiled by stubborn Colombia

Independent, The (London), Sep 7, 1995
by GLENN MOORE reports Wembley

GLENN MOORE

reports from Wembley

England 0 Colombia 0

A goalless draw, played out in pouring rain in front of 60,000 empty seats, is not usually the type of occasion to quicken the pulse. But England's stalemate with Colombia here last night was rich with promise and incident. A fresh, inexperienced England side hit the woodwork on three occasions against a Colombian team featuring nine of the players that brought them third place in the summer's Copa America.

Paul Gascoigne, though sporting a less visible haircut, was easy to spot as he drew good performances from Terry Venables' clutch of young lions, Nick Barmby, Steve McManaman and Jamie Redknapp.

The Rangers' midfielder still looks short of fitness, and he was not subjected to even a pretence of man-marking, but there were signs that his touch is coming back with his strength.

The passing and movement of his team-mates also augured well for the future. England were fluid and inventive and, although the defence appeared shaky at times, the team looked as if they were beginning to grasp the principles Venables is seeking to apply.

With both sides concentrating on a short-passing game and close support, the match at times resembled an advanced form of playground football with as many as 16 players clustered around the ball.

But the biggest difference from an average English league game was the amount of time the ball was on the ground. Even David Seaman was regularly playing the ball out to his defenders, rather than pumping his clearances into the autumn air.

All very encouraging, but there was one disappointing aspect of the night: the poor attendance of 20,038. It was the lowest of Venables' reign, for the best performance.

Those who did turn up were nearly cheering an English goal as early as the seventh minute. Gascoigne picked out Alan Shearer's well-timed run with a delicate 30-yard chip, the Blackburn striker gently lobbed Rene Higuita, but the ball rebounded off the bar and fell unkindly for the oncoming McManaman.

A minute later Shearer was on target as he ran on to Barmby's pass but Higuita parried at the near post. The Colombians responded with a sharp 30-yard shot from Freddy Rincon but Seaman parried the ball away comfortably.

The Arsenal keeper was to make several good saves as Colombia broke quickly and effectively. However, he was totally eclipsed by his Colombian counterpart, Higuita. The flamboyant goalkeeper stunned and thrilled the crowd with an audacious first-half clearance following a rare poor cross by Redknapp.

It floated straight at the goalkeeper who, under no pressure, opted to do a front somersault and kick it clear with his heels. It was both daring and risky - although a flag had gone up for offside, no whistle had blown and play continued from the unorthodox clearance.

Such trickery was difficult to match but England did their best, again hitting the woodwork after 26 minutes. Barmby, a constant influence, crossed to Shearer whose cushioned header was volleyed against the post by Gascoigne.

Gascoigne, who had started the move, then went close with a free-kick which Higuita pushed wide. England went in at half-time to a warm and deserved ovation from the sparse crowd. They were nearly rewarded with a goal immediately after the break. Gascoigne, once more, was the instigator, finding McManaman on the right. He threaded a pass through to Barmby, whose shot was half-blocked by Higuita. It spun up to Dennis Wise whose deflected volley hit the crossbar. Woodwork 3, England 0.

The theme was becoming repetitive but Colombia were by no means overwhelmed. Within minutes Seaman had fingertipped over a shot by Carlos Valderrama and Ivan Valenciano had shot over from a sweeping move. His next save came with 19 minutes left when Graeme Le Saux misjudged a bouncing ball to let Valenciano in. Seaman, diving boldly at his feet, blocked the Colombian's strike.

These breaks highlighted one of England's weaknesses. While the midfield hustled and hassled well enough when Colombia were knocking the ball about, they were exposed when the South Americans raised the tempo with a sharp counter-attack.

However, Colombian frustration at England's own sharpness was evident in their four bookings. Even a rash of substitutions could not dull England's edge and both Wise - after Higuita had nearly overplayed his hand - and Barmby could have scored in the closing minutes.

It was not to be but Venables will be more pleased with a good performance and a draw, than a poor one and a win.

ENGLAND (4-4-1-1): Seaman (Arsenal); Neville (Manchester United), Adams (Arsenal), Howey (Newcastle United), Le Saux (Blackburn Rovers); Wise (Chelsea), Redknapp (Liverpool), Gascoigne (Rangers), McManaman (Liverpool); Barmby (Middlesbrough); Shearer (Blackburn Rovers). Substitutes: Sheringham (Tottenham) for Shearer (75); Barnes (Liverpool) for Gascoigne (75); Lee (Newcastle ) for Redknapp (75).

COLOMBIA (4-5-1): Higuita (Nacional Medellin); Santa (Nacional Medellin), Mendoza (Junior Barranquilla), Bermudez (America Cali), Wilson (America Cali); Rincon (Real Madrid), Lozano (Palmeiras), Valderrama (Junior Barranquilla), Alvarez (America Cali), Asprilla (Parma); Valenciano (Junior Barranquilla). Substitute: Quinonez (Once Caldas) for Lozano (h-t).

Referee: M Batta (France).

Copyright 1995 Newspaper Publishing PLC
Provided by ProQuest Information and Learning Company. All rights Reserved.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n14004779

podge018

Whether the game restarted or not I don't know but a goal would not have stood, England were offside. You can see it in the clip that the forwards don't go after the ball after it is cleared, allowing the defenders to 1. play on 2. take the free.

JeanClaude

eirebhoy wrote: »

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_/ai_n14004779

Damn you eirebhoy....and your internet research ability....:D We need to get the full video of the incident because i'll always remember the tv pundits arguing whether Higuita knew the flag was up or not, i just assumed (for the past 13 years..:D) that a free kick was given and a goal wouldn't have counted.. AAAAARRRGHHH:mad:

EDIT: I NEED CLOSURE.....:eek:

Draupnir

JeanClaude wrote: »

Damn you eirebhoy....and your internet research ability....:D We need to get the full video of the incident because i'll always remember the tv pundits arguing whether Higuita knew the flag was up or not, i just assumed (for the past 13 years..:D) that a free kick was given and a goal wouldn't have counted.. AAAAARRRGHHH:mad:

EDIT: I NEED CLOSURE.....:eek:

I watched this game live at the time and am certain that a whistle was blown and that play had stopped. If you watch the YouTube video posted earlier you can hear the whistle for god sake! Why is anyone arguing this? Just because a few players hadn't stopped, most had.

I couldn't tell you if Higuita new that the play had stopped though, he may not have heard the whistle.

Eirebhoys article is just wrong, plain and simple.

podge018

Also, if the ball was still in play, i.e. England attacking in the final third, how was the producer able to go straight into a replay of it.

Guy:Incognito

JeanClaude wrote: »

100% The whistle had gone by the time it reached him. Free out i think..

I was sure that it was something along those lines too (whistle gone)

Almost sure I heard Redknapp say it too.

dfx-

I remember watching at the time and seeing play go on..

Either way, try doing that by yourself, nevermind international level, ball in play or not...

leninbenjamin

zAbbo wrote: »

I'll always remember him for this instead

about 1.30 in...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QxSfigjaRw

harsh. the CB is the one who is to blame for that. he breaks nearly every rule of defending by passing it to Heguita. you've just seen it too often on those clip shows where they edit the dodgy backpass out for the sake of entertainment though.

zAbbo

leninbenjamin wrote: »

harsh. the CB is the one who is to blame for that. he breaks nearly every rule of defending by passing it to Heguita. you've just seen it too often on those clip shows where they edit the dodgy backpass out for the sake of entertainment though.

I dunno, he comes out 40 yards for a ball which his two CB's have covered, and then he passes to one of them.

He sure was crazy, didn't he score a few goals as well? I remember seeing a tasty free kick he hammered in.

leninbenjamin

zAbbo wrote: »

I dunno, he comes out 40 yards for a ball which his two CB's have covered, and then he passes to one of them.

He sure was crazy, didn't he score a few goals as well? I remember seeing a tasty free kick he hammered in.

his CBs were in the opponents half when he came to collect that ball. iirc Colombia were already 1-0 down at that stage and were looking for a goal, so were pushed up very high. there was nothing wrong with him coming out to collect that ball anyway, he was in acres initially. it was madness by the CB though to pass back to him when

a) Heguita had started walking back to goal and was facing the wrong way to just clear it
b) Heguita had started walking back to goal and wasn't expecting it, hence the difficulty he had in controlling it.
c) the Cameroon forwards were closing them down and there was no one behind them
d) the pass was going across the face of goal when they were under pressure
e) the pass was loose, Heguita had to stretch to control it.

that's pretty much a summary of everything a CB is told not to do as a schoolboy.

I'm not saying Heguita shouldn't have done better but the bulk of the blame for that incident should lie with the CB imo, and not Heguita as history remembers. the CB should have turned to the right, shielded the ball from Milla with his body and either looked for the RB to pass to or lumped it long.