M7 - Nenagh to Limerick

Roryhy

How can you blame the politicians for this one? They're not road building experts. Whoever decided that it was ok to go ahead even though the piles didn't hit a solid base is at fault!

-Corkie-

Roryhy wrote: »

How can you blame the politicians for this one? They're not road building experts. Whoever decided that it was ok to go ahead even though the piles didn't hit a solid base is at fault!

Lets just blame them anyway they are at fault for everything else:)

roosterman71

tech2 wrote: »

The Nenagh-Limerick scheme is undoubtedly the most important bit of the M7 after Naas-Portlaoise. It is known well to be a commuter route busy usually during rush hour and even off peak there can be a serious amount of traffic on it. I'm surprised the boggy sections havnt hit national news that often given the whole media frenzy is driven over how politicians run this country.

The reason this isn't on the news is because its not happening around Dublin. Same as there was very little coverage of the weeks snow and ice until Dublin got affected. It was a national disaster then. I'd say if this bog was holding up the M50, or one of the links into it, it would be on tv and in the papers a hell of a lot more.

D.L.R.

There's no bogs in Dublin. Hence the word boggers

DWCommuter

tech2 wrote: »

The Nenagh-Limerick scheme is undoubtedly the most important bit of the M7 after Naas-Portlaoise. It is known well to be a commuter route busy usually during rush hour and even off peak there can be a serious amount of traffic on it. I'm surprised the boggy sections havnt hit national news that often given the whole media frenzy is driven over how politicians run this country.

I'm stunned that this hasn't made national news coverage.

Sponge Bob

Probably because the specialised engineers who actually calculated the necessaries were all based in Dublin and London DW and it was they who decided that 'a bit of' bog would not be a problem

AlanD

tech2 wrote: »

I'm surprised the boggy sections havnt hit national news that often given the whole media frenzy is driven over how politicians run this country.

Given that a successful road opening that is ahead of budget and schedule, is way down the list on any given night of Six One news, I would find it hard to believe that the media would really care that much about a delay. In the bigger scheme of things in this country, road news won't make the headlines for any reason unless there was a massive, and I mean massive, back story, i.e. political bribery, etc.

serfboard

DWCommuter wrote: »

I'm stunned that this hasn't made national news coverage.

From The Irish Times of last week:

The Irish Times wrote:

However, the project ran into difficulty in crossing the Annaholly Bog south of Birdhill in Co Tipperary, where pilings have been sinking.

As efforts continue to find a solution to the problem the National Roads Authority made a surprise announcement that it was opening the completed 16km of the road yesterday afternoon.

Barriers on a further 10km of the Nenagh bypass have also been removed, extending motorway standard road from Nenagh to Birdhill.

The authority said it expected a solution to the problem at Annaholly Bog would not delay the opening of the entire M7 by the end of the year.

Carawaystick

D.L.R. wrote: »

There's no bogs in Dublin. Hence the word boggers

I'll see your "no bogs in Dublin" and raise you
Bog o' the Ring

not to mention bog all here
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.189373,-6.338854&spn=0.014477,0.033903&t=h&z=15

D.L.R.

Carawaystick wrote: »

I'll see your "no bogs in Dublin" and raise you
Bog o' the Ring

not to mention bog all here
http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=53.189373,-6.338854&spn=0.014477,0.033903&t=h&z=15

Ah thats in Balbriggan, only technically Dublin.. and the link is to Kippure, a mountain - Dublin's southernmost point (ie practically wickla)
So, I'll stand by my no bogs in Dublin claim. There are plenty of boggers however...

testicle

D.L.R. wrote: »

Ah thats in Balbriggan, only technically Dublin.. and the link is to Kippure, a mountain - Dublin's southernmost point (ie practically wickla)
So, I'll stand by my no bogs in Dublin claim. There are plenty of boggers however...

Both Balbriggan, being technically Dublin, is part of Dublin, and Kippure, being Dublin's southernmost point, is also part of Dublin, have Bogs, therefore Dublin has Bogs.

QED.

Berty

testicle wrote: »

Both Balbriggan, being technically Dublin, is part of Dublin, and Kippure, being Dublin's southernmost point, is also part of Dublin, have Bogs, therefore Dublin has Bogs.

QED.

More importantly neither of them have a National Motorway attempting to pass through.

Godge

testicle wrote: »

Both Balbriggan, being technically Dublin, is part of Dublin, and Kippure, being Dublin's southernmost point, is also part of Dublin, have Bogs, therefore Dublin has Bogs.

QED.

and just because there are lions and tigers in Dublin Zoo, Dublin is overrun with large cats.

A few small isolated bogs for the curious doesn't change the generally bog-free status of Dublin in the same way that a few lions and tigers don't make Dublin a large cat habitat.

knipex

I could be wrong but was their not a concrete pad poured on top of those pile caps...

If so is that what we are seeing here (directly behind the three left most piles) under all the aggregate ?



If so then.....

rainbowdash

Godge wrote: »

and just because there are lions and tigers in Dublin Zoo, Dublin is overrun with large cats.

A few small isolated bogs for the curious doesn't change the generally bog-free status of Dublin in the same way that a few lions and tigers don't make Dublin a large cat habitat.

This no bog in Dublin argument is a bit silly but there are very few bogs in Limerick that I am aware of. Most of the county is covered by the golden vale which is rich farmland, so using the silly theory above there are no bogs in Limerick either.

Deedsie

Did anyone notice was there anyone working on the Birdhill to Limerick section this morning?

Would be interesting to see if work has completely stopped. Are the lads working on the site out of work untill a solution is found?

Also, i was talking to a man working on the Castletown section. October opening according to him. He also mentioned that the limerick to Nenagh motorway is the most expensive road in the world at a whopping 15m per mile. Could anyone confirm or refute this claim?

Chris_5339762

Dont believe him. I think a 3 mile section of road in Holland through a C&C tunnel will be multiple hundreds of million.

Mc Love

Builders are off for a week

L1011

Deedsie wrote: »

Also, i was talking to a man working on the Castletown section. October opening according to him. He also mentioned that the limerick to Nenagh motorway is the most expensive road in the world at a whopping 15m per mile. Could anyone confirm or refute this claim?

The DPT cost about 200M per mile, so we can refute it in this country let alone the world!

Deedsie

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

Dont believe him. I think a 3 mile section of road in Holland through a C&C tunnel will be multiple hundreds of million.

Well there is also a tunnel in that one. The Nenagh - Limerick Road project comprises 28 km of high quality dual carriageway built to motorway standard, with a single carriageway link to the main road at Birdhill and the upgrading of 10 km of the Nenagh bypass to dual carriageway standard.

28 KM of Road plus 10K improvement works. Say 23 and a half Miles at 15M/mile

Would work out at €352.5M altogether

Mc Love wrote: »

Builders are off for a week

So this week there is no one working on any part of the Nenagh to Limerick road?

Roryhy

I know plenty of builders working this week, people wont turn down work!

NedNew2

Can we be at least a bit relevent and quote per km? This 'man down the road' and 'such and such per mile' is all very quaint and rustic but not relevent or scientific.

The new M9 from Waterford to Knocktopher cost €10m/km (source Irish Times).


The DPT cost (according to which report you read) €752 million for 6.5km which is €110m/km.

KevR

knipex wrote: »

I could be wrong but was their not a concrete pad poured on top of those pile caps...

If so is that what we are seeing here (directly behind the three left most piles) under all the aggregate ?

If so then.....

:eek: That's insane!

Sierra Oscar

Deedsie wrote: »

Did anyone notice was there anyone working on the Birdhill to Limerick section this morning?

Would be interesting to see if work has completely stopped. Are the lads working on the site out of work untill a solution is found?

Also, i was talking to a man working on the Castletown section. October opening according to him. He also mentioned that the limerick to Nenagh motorway is the most expensive road in the world at a whopping 15m per mile. Could anyone confirm or refute this claim?

The Portuguese workers are all gone home I believe, the housing complex for the workers in Birdhill is being dismantled - all the cabins are in the process of being removed and it looks like they are getting ready to roll and reseed the field to return it to the farmer.

lukejr

Heard on the grapevine:
Engineers have a solution to the problem, but it is expected to delay the road opening until the Autumn. So anytime between August to October 2010.

Other M7 News:
It looks like the expected May opening of the Limerick Tunnel won't happen, but will still open ahead of schedule, so sometime over this summer.

The Portlaoise to Borris-in-Ossory section of the M7, which is the only tolled section of M7 from Dublin to Limerick City is expected to open in June 2010.

The Borris-in-Ossory to Nenagh section of the M7 is expected to open in October 2010.

The Word Is Bor

Drove Nenagh to Bidrhill today and I have to say that I wasn't that impressed with the ride quality on the wearing course. You could see the joints where the paver was waiting for the next wagon every 20-30m or so.

Also the signage at the parking bays is 'unique'. 1 Hour parking restriction??? No pedestrians.

EDIT: the TTM is still in place either side of the railway underbridge to the east of the Carrigatogher Interchange.

Dirigent

The Word Is Bor wrote: »

Drove Nenagh to Bidrhill today and I have to say that I wasn't that impressed with the ride quality on the wearing course.

I'm slightly off topic, but this prompts a question that maybe the engineers on this forum could answer. I've noticed that the ride quality on many sections of the new M8 is noticeably bumpier than some of the older motorways (my favourite is the section across the Curragh, which is flat as a pancake, but that must be down 20 years).

So the question is: will these new roads even out with time and traffic?

Tech3

The Word Is Bor wrote: »

Drove Nenagh to Bidrhill today and I have to say that I wasn't that impressed with the ride quality on the wearing course. You could see the joints where the paver was waiting for the next wagon every 20-30m or so.

Yeah it's not great alot of bumps on the stetch, I have yet to drive a scheme that comes close to the M6 Ballinasloe-Galway in terms of ride quiality. Worst surface of the newish schemes has to be the M7 Limerick bypass phase 1, it's very poor.

Berty

I drove to Dublin and back today and thought the road was Super and a great view to the mountains when heading North. It was a very nice day for it as well.

There was some issue I saw driving North but on the way down I was trying to remember what it was and I cannot remember. I think it had something to do with the Layby but It wasn't the signs.

Probably the fact the Northbound one does not have crash barriers and you could get seriously wiped out. The other Motorways have heavy duty crash pillars.

Also, as a Motorway where the heck are the Emergency phones?

Berty

Im also slightly concerned about the BULL statue. Why is it's big b*llocks facing towards traffic and not its face.

Seems like a cruel joke played by contractors.