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What difference does a second make?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Woddle wrote: »
    Will I see you at any of the xc races for bhaa

    I hope so! Objective is to get back into those races, but no way could I do it at the moment.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Knee at me today, so walked to the gym and did a good 1 hour session there.

    Probably no running until Saturday due to other commitments, but will try to get out on both Saturday and Sunday, plus a gym session.

    Have started back on the Chondroitin/Glucosamine Complex to see if that helps the knee at all. Had dropped all supplements after the marathon.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Away last few days, so nothing (bar a few strolls) since the gym work on Tuesday. Got out today for a 3.5 miler - knee was twinging a little, which is getting frustrating, but will stick at the stretching and will also change my shoes, even though they feel like they have plenty of life left in them.

    Finding that I can keep the speed quite well, and today's run felt comfortable at 7:16 avg pace, with HR averaging at about 164 (which I think equates to about 82% max).

    Am aiming for Raheny for a comeback, assuming I can get some type of speedwork done in the meantime. Certainly won't be a PB for me, but will be looking at sub-35. Am willing to act as a rabbit for anyone looking for a PB in the 34 minute area....

    Short run to the gym tomorrow, and will do my standard session there.

    Reading through other blogs, am envious of the training many of you have been able to do over the Christmas.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    as Billy would say, Keep the faith ;)

    and I might take you up on that offer for sub 34 but we would have to talk tactics and I wouldn't like to ruin or take over your comeback race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Woddle wrote: »
    as Billy would say, Keep the faith ;)

    and I might take you up on that offer for sub 34 but we would have to talk tactics and I wouldn't like to ruin or take over your comeback race.

    My comeback race would be purely for the satisfaction of giving me something to aim for and the satisfaction of finishing!

    Can talk tactics closer to the tme.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Good gym session today with a run home to cooldown (took a lazy lift to the gym rather than running).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    3.2 miles at about 7:40 pace last night. Felt very comfortable throughout, but knee is at me again today and feels quite bad.

    Physio session tonight - may be trying acupuncture as a potential solution.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    No running yesterday, but did have some physio on the knee last night. Knee was really bad for most of yesterday, so got some physio on it last night. It was decided that acupuncture might be a good course of action, and it seems to have worked a treat.

    Have never experienced acupuncture before, and it is rather bizarre. Basically involved five needles - four around the knee (see picture below, not for the needle-squeamish, and one in the ankle). After about 10 minutes there was this strange tight feeling across my quads and the top of my knee, which lasted for about 10 minutes. Needles were taken out after about 25 minutes, and knee was as light as it has ever been.

    Walking on it this morning feels quite good. Will try a short run this evening and see how that feels.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Out for my (now standard) 3 mile circuit last night in order to test the knee. Going by the lack of pain since the run it seems to have passed the test, however will dampen optimism for a while as have had a few false dawns in getting over this injury.

    Was so cold when I was out at 6.30pm. Even though I was wearing gloves that I'd normally stuff in the pockets after a mile or so, my fingers felt like ice when I got home. Fair play to anyone who gets out for an early morning run in this weather!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Got out last night and this morning. 3 miles last night, and a fast 4.5 this morning (avg pace 7:15 - hadn't intended to run that fast, but had just downloaded some good tunes and they pushed me on - even posted mile 3 at sub-7).

    Unsurprisingly after this mornings run (maybe stupid!), the knee is a little sore - not too bad though. More acupuncture this evening.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,411 ✭✭✭SUNGOD


    hi peckham
    at least your back running, if you keep being sensible you should be back on track in no time.
    best of luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Acupuncture session last night - relieved the pain, but not as much of a relief as last time.

    Excellent gym session this morning. Certainly felt easier to be working out whilst dry and warm looking out on the wind and rain, rather than out running in it!

    Will try and get out running again Monday and Tuesday nights. Pilates resumes on Wednesday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    5.1 miles last night. Avg. 7:21/mi pace

    Felt great throughout, even posted two consecutive miles at 7:05ish. Someone was running at that pace behind me, and competitive instinct kicked in to stay ahead of them. (I know it's silly, but probably a symptom of wanting to get back to racing)!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Peckham wrote: »
    5.1 miles last night. Avg. 7:21/mi pace

    Felt great throughout, even posted two consecutive miles at 7:05ish. Someone was running at that pace behind me, and competitive instinct kicked in to stay ahead of them. (I know it's silly, but probably a symptom of wanting to get back to racing)!

    Nice run Peckham, at that pace it's as though someone let you off the leash. Good to see you coming back.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,411 ✭✭✭SUNGOD


    Peckham wrote: »
    5.1 miles last night. Avg. 7:21/mi pace

    Felt great throughout, even posted two consecutive miles at 7:05ish. Someone was running at that pace behind me, and competitive instinct kicked in to stay ahead of them. (I know it's silly, but probably a symptom of wanting to get back to racing)!

    great stuff peckham thats a big step forward


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Was out the door by 6.40 this morning for an early-morning run. Is only the second time I've ever gone for a run before work, and I hated it last time I did it. Wasn't so bad this time - maybe it's because I was prepared for it feeling worse, and it wasn't as bad as that.

    Did just over 5 miles, averaging at 7:40ish pace (first mile was much slower than I'm used to (must have still been asleep!), but then I got into the groove of 7:30ish miles. Could have kept going at the end, but needed to start getting ready for work!

    Will consider doing more of these early-morning runs - a handy way to get a 5-miler done.

    Off to London for the weekend to cheer on Leinster. Is going to be a booze-filled weekend, so no running ... although might get out on Sunday evening to blow off the cobwebs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Didn't get out yesterday evening as hoped, but went out for a windy 6 miler this evening. Felt great from the moment I set off, and it was one of those runs where I couldn't slow the pace down....did the first 3 miles remarkably fast (just under 21 mins) and slowed back towards the end to finish on avg pace of 7:09/mi

    Hopefully will get out tomorrow morning for a slower 4-miler.

    Feel I might be on a comeback and racing again in the BHAA in Swords (need to buy spikes first though).


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,483 ✭✭✭ManFromAtlantis


    keep it up peckham. just a question tho., didnt you do the marathon c 3hrs? ie less than 7 min miles. which was brilliant and something i could only dream of, but how come you seem very happy when u do say 5 miles at about 7 min or 7.15 pace?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    keep it up peckham. just a question tho., didnt you do the marathon c 3hrs? ie less than 7 min miles. which was brilliant and something i could only dream of, but how come you seem very happy when u do say 5 miles at about 7 min or 7.15 pace?

    Yes, I did the marathon in 3hrs, which is 6:52 min miles. Am happy with 7-7:15 pace at the moment as have hardly run since with injury.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Getting really frustrated now. Just as it seems I'm back and feeling comfortable, the knee starts to act up again.

    After that last update last Monday, I got up on Tuesday morning for a gentle few miles. Went out slow but turned for home again with a very painful knee (yes, I know I pushed myself far too hard on the Monday session). Gentle 30 mins on the treadmill on Wednesday even caused discomfort. Apart from core strength work on Thursday, I've done nothing since.

    Really getting down-hearted as I'm so keen to get back running and racing, and worried about fitness loss etc. Reading the Raheny-5 reports here, and some great progress in training logs makes me feel even worse.

    Will be pulling out of the BHAA races I committed to over the next few weeks, and continue on the physio treatment (daily stretches and weekly acupuncture/massage), plus strength and conditioning work in the gym.

    Have re-evaluated my objectives, which are now to simply get back on the road over the next few weeks, do some base training between then and early-May, before a four week break for wedding and honeymoon, leaving me with three and a half months to build up for Berlin in September.

    It's three months since the marathon, and I've run less than 80 miles since then. Depressing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    Peckham wrote: »
    Getting really frustrated now. Just as it seems I'm back and feeling comfortable, the knee starts to act up again.

    After that last update last Monday, I got up on Tuesday morning for a gentle few miles. Went out slow but turned for home again with a very painful knee (yes, I know I pushed myself far too hard on the Monday session). Gentle 30 mins on the treadmill on Wednesday even caused discomfort. Apart from core strength work on Thursday, I've done nothing since.

    Really getting down-hearted as I'm so keen to get back running and racing, and worried about fitness loss etc. Reading the Raheny-5 reports here, and some great progress in training logs makes me feel even worse.

    Will be pulling out of the BHAA races I committed to over the next few weeks, and continue on the physio treatment (daily stretches and weekly acupuncture/massage), plus strength and conditioning work in the gym.

    Have re-evaluated my objectives, which are now to simply get back on the road over the next few weeks, do some base training between then and early-May, before a four week break for wedding and honeymoon, leaving me with three and a half months to build up for Berlin in September.

    It's three months since the marathon, and I've run less than 80 miles since then. Depressing.
    Fingers crossed you'll be back soon. Are you able to get any runs done on grass?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Peckham wrote: »
    Getting really frustrated now. Just as it seems I'm back and feeling comfortable, the knee starts to act up again.

    ...(yes, I know I pushed myself far too hard on the Monday session).

    Really getting down-hearted as I'm so keen to get back running and racing, and worried about fitness loss etc. Reading the Raheny-5 reports here, and some great progress in training logs makes me feel even worse.

    ...

    It's three months since the marathon, and I've run less than 80 miles since then. Depressing.

    Its gotta be very frustrating to come so close to sub3, and now to be looking at say the 1000 mile challenge, and to compare yourself then and now.
    Take heart from the fact that you know what you did wrong on Monday- too much wayyyy too fast! Heck, I'm on 50+ weeks now and I'm real happy when I put 5 miles together at that pace! Relax man, you'll be back in your stride soon enough, just don't push yourself too early, it's a false economy on the road to back to your former fitness.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    shels4ever wrote: »
    Fingers crossed you'll be back soon. Are you able to get any runs done on grass?

    That would be ideal, and have some football pitches near my house that I use for speedwork during the summer. However, all my running is done either before or after work, so is done in the dark at the moment.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,492 ✭✭✭Woddle


    Hey Peckham sorry to hear about things still not going to plan. Don't rule out the treadmill for all your running needs at the moment. I was told that how you test a surface for running and its impact on your knees is to bounce a golf ball on it and when you do this on a treadmill the answer suggests a very good surface. Also a few weights exercises if you can manage it to add strenght to around your knee. In the build up to Berlin I started doing squats and deadlifts and I found this really helped. Wish you all the best and just keep the faith and don't put yourself under any pressure before your wedding because when the honeymoon is over you'll be egging to get out the house and get running. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Have been avoiding these threads for a while, as it was making me feel too envious/depressed about my injured state. Great to read all the progress that's going on here - either getting the mileage up, coming back from injury or running 29-minute 5 milers on your lunch break :eek:

    I took some of Woddle's advice above and spent a good bit of time on the treadmill over the past few weeks, coupled with a few road runs also. Nothing too dramatic, nothing over 5 miles.

    Made my racing comeback on Saturday at BHAA Aer Lingus. Race report is elsewhere, and whilst I really enjoyed it, my absence from speedwork and lack of familiarity with cross-country surfaces means I'm aching badly at the moment (everywhere in my legs, except my knees thankfully!). Had hoped to get for a few recovery miles this evening, but think I'm still too tight for it (had read somewhere before not to run if your gait is abnormal, and I'm walking with a slight limp).

    Will now try to build the mileage up a bit. Will try to get a 7-miler in at the weekend, and build slowly back up from there. Have 3 months remaining before a three-week break for wedding/honeymoon, so plan is to get up to doing 17/18 miles comfortably before then, plus will pick out a race in mid-April that I'll use as a time trial to be in or around 3-hour marathon pace.

    Mid-June onwards is gearing up for Berlin.

    (That's all assuming that injury doesn't get in the way!)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Great post Peckham, brilliant to see you back at the coalface. We've all suffered injuries and layoffs before, and you're right in that it can be disheartening to see the fit and able go from strength to strength while you are left to wallow in enforced rest hell :p

    It's good that your return is cautious, and that you have a marathon goal in mind. XC race is throwing yourself in at the deep end! Best of luck in your training, and never mind sub3, where's that sub 2:55 run?:D
    Peckham wrote: »
    Have been avoiding these threads for a while, as it was making me feel too envious/depressed about my injured state. Great to read all the progress that's going on here - either getting the mileage up, coming back from injury or running 29-minute 5 milers on your lunch break :eek:

    I took some of Woddle's advice above and spent a good bit of time on the treadmill over the past few weeks, coupled with a few road runs also. Nothing too dramatic, nothing over 5 miles.

    Made my racing comeback on Saturday at BHAA Aer Lingus. Race report is elsewhere, and whilst I really enjoyed it, my absence from speedwork and lack of familiarity with cross-country surfaces means I'm aching badly at the moment (everywhere in my legs, except my knees thankfully!). Had hoped to get for a few recovery miles this evening, but think I'm still too tight for it (had read somewhere before not to run if your gait is abnormal, and I'm walking with a slight limp).

    Will now try to build the mileage up a bit. Will try to get a 7-miler in at the weekend, and build slowly back up from there. Have 3 months remaining before a three-week break for wedding/honeymoon, so plan is to get up to doing 17/18 miles comfortably before then, plus will pick out a race in mid-April that I'll use as a time trial to be in or around 3-hour marathon pace.

    Mid-June onwards is gearing up for Berlin.

    (That's all assuming that injury doesn't get in the way!)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    never mind sub3, where's that sub 2:55 run?:D

    Sub-2:55 is sub-3! ;)

    Won't start to think of targets until end-summer.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,238 ✭✭✭Abhainn


    Welcome back Peckham. Easy she goes...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,411 ✭✭✭SUNGOD


    good to have ya back peckham.......roll on berlin ....plenty of time to train to go below "the time that we dare not speak of":D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Thanks for all the encouragement!

    5.1 miles this morning at 8:11 pace. Calves are still achy after Saturday's XC race.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭stmochtas


    Same from me Peckham great to see you getting back into it. I might see you on the 21st at the Garda XC however I have been informed that I may have to go for birthday drinks the night before :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭shels4ever


    stmochtas wrote: »
    Same from me Peckham great to see you getting back into it. I might see you on the 21st at the Garda XC however I have been informed that I may have to go for birthday drinks the night before :rolleyes:

    May see you there too, looking to take a boards scalp soon too ;) So feel free to have a beer or two ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    5.11 miles @ 7:52 pace

    Pace a bit quicker as calves are easing up a bit, but still tender. Have developed a blister on the sole of my left foot, which has never happened to me before (may be related to running on sore calves? :confused:).

    Good to get out two days in succession for five mile runs.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,441 ✭✭✭Slogger Jogger


    Welcome back Peckham.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    7.2 miles @ 7:05 pace. Felt good - at the fast end of comfortable. One of those great days to be running, and was on one of my favourite routes through the quiet country lanes of north county Dublin.

    The only thing that didn't feel so good was the blister which is stinging a bit now.

    Time to settle in and watch the rugby now.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭ike


    A few more good runs like that does the confidence the world of good! Good to see you back

    Logging off and watching the rugby too


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    great stuff Peckham, you are making a great comeback. Should be back to top race shape in a few weeks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    4.01 @ 7:35 pace this evening.

    Blister came back to haunt me after Sunday's run. Was in agony yesterday. Not sure what's going on, but Mrs Peckham made some adjustments to my orthotics which will hopefully solve that. Had intended on 5 or 6 miles, but blister got a bit sensitive so headed for home.

    Plan this week is 5,6,4,BHAA over the next 4 days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    6.00 @ 7:29 pace this evening.

    Felt good, and cruising along at times. Good to get that feeling back.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Peckham wrote: »
    6.00 @ 7:29 pace this evening.

    Felt good, and cruising along at times. Good to get that feeling back.

    Its great to read these last few log entries, you're coming back quickly Peckham, some fast times in there, good man.

    You know yourself the problems of coming back from injury and training too fast too soon, so I'm just curious as to how much you know when to put on/take off the brakes?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    going well peckham, you are making a quick recovery. Are you still planning on racing Saturday ? I'm gona give it a bash myself. It's a tough little course


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Its great to read these last few log entries, you're coming back quickly Peckham, some fast times in there, good man.

    You know yourself the problems of coming back from injury and training too fast too soon, so I'm just curious as to how much you know when to put on/take off the brakes?

    Cheers. This was actually my first ever injury lay-off so I'm learning myself how to come back from it. I'm basically going with what feels good, and kind of set targets of building up weekly mileage from 15 to 20 to 25 and so on until I get to 40. Base of the 15 to 25 mile weeks is a mixture of 5-7 mile runs, and will start moving up towards 10 mile runs when I get to 30 per week.

    In terms of pace, I'm actually surprised how fast I'm going. It feels fine, so I'm happy enough to go with it. Will introduce speedwork maybe the week after next.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    going well peckham, you are making a quick recovery. Are you still planning on racing Saturday ? I'm gona give it a bash myself. It's a tough little course

    Yep, still planning on racing. Anything you can share with me about the course?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,983 ✭✭✭TheRoadRunner


    Peckham wrote: »
    Yep, still planning on racing. Anything you can share with me about the course?

    Hills loads of horrible little hills. check out photos fom last year on the results page http://bhaa.ie/mediagallery/media.php?f=0&sort=0&s=20080223144724740


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    Early morning 5.12 miles @ 7:48 pace.

    Went out slowly as still wasn't awake and decided to keep it slow throughout. Think every mile was pretty consistently around the 7:45-7:50 pace.

    11 miles in less than 12 hours - may not sound like much to some of our ultra people here, but am considering it good progress!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    4.00 miles @ 7:35 pace

    Felt good, enjoyed every minute of it. Really appreciating being back running. Wanted to get out this evening even though it's BHAA in the morning, as that race is just a speed session for me really.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,051 ✭✭✭MCOS


    I'd say it does feel good Peckham to be back running! Could for you


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,406 ✭✭✭ike


    Well done Peckham - your patience seems to have paid off!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,558 ✭✭✭Peckham


    4 mile BHAA today with some of the others here. Delighted with my second outing at cross-country, much more pleasant that the initial outing two weeks back!

    Clocked the first mile much quicker than I planned (6:12), but was feeling good so kept the pace up and kept it pretty consistent to finish in 24:58. To be honest, I would have happily taken anything under 30 mins today.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,608 ✭✭✭donothoponpop


    Peckham wrote: »
    4 mile BHAA today with some of the others here. Delighted with my second outing at cross-country, much more pleasant that the initial outing two weeks back!

    Clocked the first mile much quicker than I planned (6:12), but was feeling good so kept the pace up and kept it pretty consistent to finish in 24:58. To be honest, I would have happily taken anything under 30 mins today.

    You were looking to go under 30 and you went 5 mins quicker than that?!? Jeez, that's some result, well done.


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