Archaeologist offer

rynners

oh yeah, cheltenham, aintree.

rynners

Update: horse back to proper work this week. Gilligan likes the idea of giving him a spin over hurdles.

eoghan104

I like the idea of a spin over hurdles too. As I said to rynners I wouldnt have the knowledge to be giving much advice so thats why I havent been getting to involved in the thread but I just wanted to say hello to all and I look forward to meeting you all soon!

Rynners have you decided about payment yet? I still think an account we can all make transfers into is the best route. Ill be in new york now until Friday week so will have limited access to Boards. When you need the first payment just let me know anyway.

Eoghan

rynners

1st Payment will be at the first race.. assuming everyone turns up and assuming he'll run in december.

rynners

Dotsflan, meriweather, corban, myself, punchestown, carjim, AW, Aidenkk, Eoghan104 ,Jayroyal, Ian F and

HISCAN! (guess my plagueing paid off)

00dyel

best of luck with this, i will be following the horse very closely, just a shame i dont have the cash to have joined

rynners

00dyel wrote: »

best of luck with this, i will be following the horse very closely, just a shame i dont have the cash to have joined

pity, because you'd be welcome..

hiscan

rynners wrote: »

Dotsflan, meriweather, corban, myself, punchestown, carjim, AW, Aidenkk, Eoghan104 ,Jayroyal, Ian F and

HISCAN! (guess my plagueing paid off)

:D:D:D:D
looks like it did rynners,sure if anything it'll be a bit of craic

meriwether

I might not make the first race, but with the wonders of the internet, and modern finance, I shall instruct my financial intermediary to make said payments to said nominated account.

Over and out.

Edit: Anyone as excited as me?

rynners

YEP

rynners

meriwether wrote: »

I might not make the first race, but with the wonders of the internet, and modern finance, I shall instruct my financial intermediary to make said payments to said nominated account.

Over and out.

Edit: Anyone as excited as me?

not turn up for the first race? ouch....

corban

i really cant wait.....

rynners

corban wrote: »

i really cant wait.....

obviously not if you're up at 320am!;)

corban

rynners wrote: »

obviously not if you're up at 320am!;)

yeah was just back after a few beers.... and didnt have enough sense to go to bed..:D

rynners

a few beers out till 3am and you didn't score? wasted youth.

rynners

Update: Archaeologist will be entered, and if he gets in, to maiden hurdle races on the 12th in gowran park (3mile) and fairyhouse 2m4 on the 12th/13th december. Fairyhouse is the preferred option as it's a more galloping track and 3 miles in gowran would take some getting and don't want to kill him because it's likely he'll run twice in december.

Cantoris

Might see you there as our horse, Kimberlite King, is due to run at Fairyhouse.

rynners

IAN.F, I need your contact details today or the offer will cease. Check your messages on both boards and letsbet.

rynners

ALL syndicate members see my thread "Quadzilla for Archaeologist" please..

rynners

rynners wrote: »

IAN.F, I need your contact details today or the offer will cease. Check your messages on both boards and letsbet.

ok IanF you're out. Not going to chase details for over a week.

Frankie Lee

Runs 12:40 in limerick tomorrow, best of luck lads.

Cantoris

Has Rynners disappeared off the face of the planet or do the rest of the Board members get any update? It appears that now he has filled his syndicate he is off. i know he got banned for a week but is he still around or would any other syndicate members like to comment?

rynners

Cantoris wrote: »

Has Rynners disappeared off the face of the planet or do the rest of the Board members get any update? It appears that now he has filled his syndicate he is off. i know he got banned for a week but is he still around or would any other syndicate members like to comment?

No not disappeared off the face of the earth, just quite because a load of other stuff happening at the moment. It has nothing to do with filling the syndicate.
Horse ran like a pig today, failed to even keep his position mid race, it couldn't have been more disappointing and you won't be seeing him again. Syndicate members were not charged any money as this was to be his trial to see if we all wanted to go on with him.

rynners

i think most people who followed my threads would realise that forming a syndicate was not the purpose I started posting on boards, nor that forming a syndicate would be a reason I would stop posting. You should know better Cantoris than "it appears he has filled his syndicate he is off".

Cantoris

Good to see you back Rynners. It's like reading a novel and finding that some young pup that had the book before you ripped out the last twenty pages. You always want to know what happened. Sounds like you are very disappointed with the run. You couldn't see much on ATR after the start of the back straight. but fair play to you for looking after the syndicate.

aya14

rynners wrote: »

i think most people who followed my threads would realise that forming a syndicate was not the purpose I started posting on boards, nor that forming a syndicate would be a reason I would stop posting. You should know better Cantoris than "it appears he has filled his syndicate he is off".

Was out there for the meeting. anything amiss with the horse? seemed to have a strange action. I did take my eye off him pretty early though as i was on the fav also.
Good luck with this horse whatever may happen in the future:cool:

rynners

Cantoris wrote: »

Good to see you back Rynners. It's like reading a novel and finding that some young pup that had the book before you ripped out the last twenty pages. You always want to know what happened. Sounds like you are very disappointed with the run. You couldn't see much on ATR after the start of the back straight. but fair play to you for looking after the syndicate.

Very downhearted about it. Yesterday I learnt a very valuable lesson, that when a horse gets injured you have not to expect so much from it's future runs. The general consensus from me, trainer, lads at stable is that when I bought he was probably decent, but injuries have already taken the best out of him. He never let himself down on the ground (protecting himself) and would be unlikely to do so in the future.
He was always going to show his best over fences, but yesterday a maiden hurdle over a trip on what should be his ground he should have showed up better. It was the now infamous knee chip (see my 3 mile novice chase thread to break the code) that did all this to him we think.
It's very disappointing though, because for the syndicate to fulfill it's ambition (which was to have half a chance in races so we'd turn up and have the craic) we needed the horse to have even a fairly low, but lively, level of ability. It's unlikely that a free horse will come along again, these animals have to be bought somewhere by somebody! Archaeologist will go to grass for the forseeable future, will see what happens then.

rynners

aya14 wrote: »

Was out there for the meeting. anything amiss with the horse? seemed to have a strange action. I did take my eye off him pretty early though as i was on the fav also.
Good luck with this horse whatever may happen in the future:cool:

there probably was something amiss with the horse, don't know yet. Too many chances at this stage though.

rynners

Here's an update:

Archaeologist ran in a 2m6 maiden hurdle in Limerick the other day. It was his first run over hurdles and it was a disaster. He started from the rear, made his way up to mid division by the 4th or so and just dropped out completely then, he came back distressed. I knew it at the time, but didn't take any heed as I was convinced the run was an acid test, that the horse didn't give his true running..
Day or 2 later I texted trainer and he said all his horses had run too bad to be true. Day after he declares probable virus in yard, empties out all the horses and sticks them into a field where they'll stay for at the very least 2 weeks while he disinfects. It seems that all his horses lately ran in a very similar fashion to how archaeologist ran and they also finished distressed..

So down to the nuts and bolts, a recap if you will.
Horse has cost a fortune so far, the price of a 3 bed semi in 1993 (about). Didn't race for his first 2 years in training due to injuries. He's had his 3 runs in 2008, and to be fair you could easily find excuses to rule out each of them.

1st run: unseats while going ok
in a fairly decent novice chase first time out.

2nd run: going well to the 3rd last in 3 mile beginners chase, clobbers it, loses 5/6 lengths, gains them back and then completely fades. Arrives home lame that night with an infection in his fetlock joint.

3rd run: 2m6 maiden hurdle. Does as bad as a horse can do, virus in yard.

I think i'll give him one more chance, a beginners chase somewhere when he's back, which will be a few to a good few weeks away.

I think this horse is jinxed.

Cantoris

Well at least you have a reason for it. At least he didn't burst which is what happens horses with a serious dose of the virus. I certainly wouldn't be rushing him back but sounds like you still have a horse to go to battle with. These horses would drive you mad.

knighted_1

i dont think he has the experience to go chasing under rules - you are putting him in against horses with bumper and hurdle form/experience - send him to a point to point where he will meet his own kind and gain valuble experience -the more times he goes to the track and injures or distresses himself ,you willend up messing wirh his head as when he arrives at the track in future he will only remember bad memorys

i see your trainer lost koh -any reason?

rynners

Cantoris wrote: »

Well at least you have a reason for it. At least he didn't burst which is what happens horses with a serious dose of the virus. I certainly wouldn't be rushing him back but sounds like you still have a horse to go to battle with. These horses would drive you mad.

when you say burst do you mean burst blood vessels? the horse came back to parade ring and swear to god the veins on him were huge. he came out of his last piece of work like this (hiscan and I went to see it) and he blew very hard. A lynch worked him that day and said that if he didn't give him the break of a minute to work in the other direction he wouldn't have made it up the hill second time around.. guess this was the virus showing itself as it was only a few days before race.

rynners

knighted_1 wrote: »

i dont think he has the experience to go chasing under rules - you are putting him in against horses with bumper and hurdle form/experience - send him to a point to point where he will meet his own kind and gain valuble experience -the more times he goes to the track and injures or distresses himself ,you willend up messing wirh his head as when he arrives at the track in future he will only remember bad memorys

i see your trainer lost koh -any reason?

I understand your point but I think a beginners chase is the way to go, i've given so much patience and chances, excuses to this horse that he needs to show me something. He stands 17hh (should be bult for chasing) and has some chase experience to his name, so he should be able to show me something..

I heard a story about koh, i think it's probably a story with 2 sides to it as it seems a bit far fetched without a counter. I'm not prepared to go into it though as it's not my place.

Cantoris

rynners wrote: »

A lynch worked him that day and said that if he didn't give him the break of a minute to work in the other direction he wouldn't have made it up the hill second time around.. guess this was the virus showing itself as it was only a few days before race.

Colm's normally take 30 secs to a minutre after each "spin" to get their breath back. They do three spins a morning. So wouldn't have been too worried about the gap, the fact that he was going to struggle up the hill might have been an indicator that all was not well but that's what you pay your trainer and workrider for!!

rynners

Cantoris wrote: »

Colm's normally take 30 secs to a minutre after each "spin" to get their breath back. They do three spins a morning. So wouldn't have been too worried about the gap, the fact that he was going to struggle up the hill might have been an indicator that all was not well but that's what you pay your trainer and workrider for!!

this was on a hard work day as well (as opposed to a normal work morning).

Itsdacraic

I really think you should have taken a look at running a couple of point to points for heading for the track. Even run him around twice with a decent jockey on board and get some good feedback on his ability. It gives you more information about the horse and it gives the horse some jumping experience. Chasing is a tough game, you can't just say a horse is built for chasing and expect him to do it (believe me I found out the hard way).

rynners

Itsdacraic wrote: »

I really think you should have taken a look at running a couple of point to points for heading for the track. Even run him around twice with a decent jockey on board and get some good feedback on his ability. It gives you more information about the horse and it gives the horse some jumping experience. Chasing is a tough game, you can't just say a horse is built for chasing and expect him to do it (believe me I found out the hard way).

i dont think he qualifies for a p2p for another year. i made a mistake not running him in one, but that's done with now.

Itsdacraic

rynners wrote: »

i dont think he qualifies for a p2p for another year. i made a mistake not running him in one, but that's done with now.

Ah ya, hindsight is 20/20. Wasn't trying to get at you.

meriwether

For some reason, the word 'archaeologist' came into my head this evening and I was reminded of a syndicate that was nearly formed here on this thread.

Ten years ago. Ten.

I wonder where rynners and poor archaeologist are now.

convert

Resurrection of zombie thread.

/Thread closed.