Council tenants to get apartments in "The Grange"

Cuddlesworth

veritable wrote: »

I too would be interested to see where you get your facts from.

For the record, yes I do know the number.

Management company in charge of renting the apartments, I used to work for them.

cochineal

By the way Veritable, "vermin", as you called "the majority of council tennants", was how the Nazis described the Jews in their anti-semitic rants. Now that's what I call "accelerating downwards" (or did you mean degenerating....). Didn't your mother ever tell you it's nice to be nice?

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johnnyskeleton

veritable wrote: »

The grange is actually 85%full except for the new block that is still being finished. No need for unfounded nonsense statistics.

I find this very hard to believe. This estate is discussed in more detail on the propertypin.

I go past this estate on the bus every evening, and I've went in and walked around a number of times. There is never anybody around - whether it be a saturday/sunday afternoon (when people should be going about their business) around 6 o'clock (when people should be coming home from work) in the early evening (when people should be eating, watching tv or heading out on the town). Every time I went through the estate no one was walking about, and at night there are only 1 or two lights on. At least half the apartments look unfurnished, and the others look like they have had furniture put there to make them look lived in.

I've compared this to the smaller estate across the road, and by comparison it's a hive of activity - there are always lights on and people on their balconies or going about their business. And I know that the estate across the road is only c. 50% occupied.

Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the place is at best 20-30% occupied. It might be the case that the estate is 85% purchased (pre contract most likely) but it is certainly not 85% occupied (well, 85% occupied by ghosts maybe).

Cuddlesworth

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I find this very hard to believe. This estate is discussed in more detail on the propertypin.

I go past this estate on the bus every evening, and I've went in and walked around a number of times. There is never anybody around - whether it be a saturday/sunday afternoon (when people should be going about their business) around 6 o'clock (when people should be coming home from work) in the early evening (when people should be eating, watching tv or heading out on the town). Every time I went through the estate no one was walking about, and at night there are only 1 or two lights on. At least half the apartments look unfurnished, and the others look like they have had furniture put there to make them look lived in.

I've compared this to the smaller estate across the road, and by comparison it's a hive of activity - there are always lights on and people on their balconies or going about their business. And I know that the estate across the road is only c. 50% occupied.

Therefore, the only logical conclusion is that the place is at best 20-30% occupied. It might be the case that the estate is 85% purchased (pre contract most likely) but it is certainly not 85% occupied (well, 85% occupied by ghosts maybe).

Which would coincide with what I have been told, the apartments are mostly empty. Out of the ones that are full they are mostly being furnished by the building company and rented. As a financial investment, its built, empty and all its doing is costing the company lots of money.

mikemac

veritable wrote: »

But I digress, my original point is council should not fork out average of 277k for one/two bed apartment. Not value for money, especially tax-payers' money.
Spend 150k (find that hard to believe but anyway) instead on the 4bed houses in glasnevin like your man above was saying..

Nah, you misread the post
It wasn't that there are places in Glasnevin for 150k
It was places were advertised in Tyrellstown (spelling?) for 550k and there might be places in Glasnevin for 150k less, so around 400k

ronbyrne2005

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/luxury-flat-owners-not-keen-on-new-neighbours-1550147.html

By RONALD QUINLAN


Sunday November 23 2008

WHEN they first came on the market in 2005, apartments at the Grange in the fashionable south Dublin suburb of Stillorgan offered location, luxury and lifestyle to rival anything found in Paris or New York.

Boasting a 24-hour concierge service to take care of matters such as dry cleaning, ironing, or ordering a taxi, the Grange promised an exotic lifestyle for residents of the development near Stillorgan in south Dublin. With prices for one-bed apartments starting at €435,000 and €575,000 for two-bedroom units, the mortgage payments alone were enough to put paid to the dreams of many.

Three years on, some of those who once had their noses pressed against the polished windows are daring to dream again.

But in the cruelest of ironies for those who secured an expensive foothold at the Grange at the height of the boom, it is the fallout from the bust that will let their new -- and poorer -- neighbours in.

Having failed in their legal challenge to prevent the imposition of Part V of the 2000 Planning Act which insists that 20 per cent of any development must be devoted to social and affordable housing, the Grange's developer, Glenkerrin Homes, have agreed to sell 75 apartments to Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council at a massive discount. The Sunday Independent understands 38 of these units will be placed on the market by the developer under the terms of the Affordable Housing scheme with prices ranging between €213,755 and €305,000 depending on the size of the apartment. All apartments will come with one parking space included in the price.

While the cut-price apartment offer may well upset those Grange residents who paid through the nose for their homes they will at least console themselves with the knowledge that their prospective neighbours are contributing to the economy, as mortgages will have to be taken out on these units. Under the terms of the scheme, anyone earning up to €58,000 as a single person is entitled to apply. For couples submitting a joint application, the income limit is €75,000.

The Council's plans for the 37 other units it intends to purchase at the exclusive development will be reserved for social housing . According to a spokesperson for Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council, these units will be used "for the purpose of providing rental accommodation to persons on the council's social housing list". The Sunday Independent understands that a number of residents -- many of whom paid in excess of €620,000 for their homes in 2006 have contacted Glenkerrin Homes to express their anger at the news of the impending arrival of social and affordable housing.

Asked by the Sunday Independent for its response to the concerns of the Grange residents, a spokesperson for Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown County Council said: "This agreement is one of many entered into by the council to date, which will provide in excess of 1100 much needed social/affordable homes within residential developments throughout the County which have a Part V requirement."

- RONALD QUINLAN

trailerparkboy

This is great news, at last this can end the snobbery of the people in this country who think they are better than everybody else, would love to see a council family move in next door to some trupmed up snob id actually pay to see it. Fair play to the council for forcing the developers to make 20% of this development available for council tennants.

billy the squid

veritable wrote: »

wrong. the tax payer pays the bulk of the rent. so the person who bought the 2 bed in the grange will actually be paying for the rent of the council tenant beside them. very fair!

This is a blatant lie. The properties at the Grange are being offered as affordable housing, not council housing.

You will require an income of 58,000 in order to qualify for a mortgage for them. A mortgage, not rented.

get your ****ing fackts straight people.

The whole idea of the affordable housing scheme was to accomodate people who worked their asses off and couldn't afford over priced shoe box apartments , let alone houses.

snubbleste

Hey Billy,
Read the Independent article posted above by ronbyrne2005

Half of the council units are set aside for affordable housing and the other half are for social housing.