UFC 91 Couture vs Lesnar Event Thread - **Will Contain Spoilers**

Shazbot

Lesnar's ground work was pretty poor. Didn't control Couture very well in the first round. Not taking away from Coutures recovery but Lesnar could have been alot more dominant. He seems fairy one dimensional on the ground. He just wants to work to get a full mount and just pound away on him. Not a bad tactic but he'll run into alot of trouble with some jujitsu specialists if he doesn't improve that aspect of his fighting.

Plenty of time to imrove though.

Charlie3dan

Yea he was the same with mir, not really in a side "control" position just kneeling beside his opponent and throwing really short hammerfists and elbows. On both occasions it looked like he got over excited once his opponent hit the floor and any form of technique went out the window.

Mind you, I'd say those short hammerfists and elbows are no joke coming from brock.
I remember thinking I would have hated to be the ref. Randy is down and still protecting himself against what look to be very poor strikes but they are coming from a monster of a man and the unanswered strikes keep adding up...... it was good he gave Randy a chance to recover but I'm glad it didn't go on any longer than it did.

Kazooie

dunkamania wrote: »

Matt Hughes had 5 successful defences before losing to Penn

Spider Silva as well surely!

Red Sleeping Beauty

Charlie3dan wrote: »

Yea he was the same with mir, not really in a side "control" position just kneeling beside his opponent and throwing really short hammerfists and elbows. On both occasions it looked like he got over excited once his opponent hit the floor and any form of technique went out the window.

Mind you, I'd say those short hammerfists and elbows are no joke coming from brock.
I remember thinking I would have hated to be the ref. Randy is down and still protecting himself against what look to be very poor strikes but they are coming from a monster of a man and the unanswered strikes keep adding up...... it was good he gave Randy a chance to recover but I'm glad it didn't go on any longer than it did.

He'd want to work a lot on his ground game. There's a fair chance that Mir could beat him again in the same manner as the first.

Raze_them_all

dunkamania wrote: »

Matt Hughes had 5 successful defences before losing to Penn

True. My fault i left out heavyweight. I meant heavyweight champion. Apologies.

Gerard.C

"Every professional sport he tried he failed. But pro wrestling and now UFC."

.....so thats just the NFL then? ****in idiot

Red Sleeping Beauty

"Mark my words, it make take years to come out, but UFC is predeterimed just like WWE."

Someone needs a dictionary :pac:

Kazooie

The guy that wrote that is a troll I'm guessin. I found it quite funny. :P

Red Sleeping Beauty

I couldn't finish it, it was too hard to read.

rovert

Gerard.C wrote: »

"Every professional sport he tried he failed. But pro wrestling and now UFC."

.....so thats just the NFL then? ****in idiot

Also the implication is that Brock failed at amateur wrestling.

Dragan

Kazooie wrote: »

Spider Silva as well surely!

He has 4 defences to date.

Nothingcompares

What were the PPV sales for this? The highest ever?

Red Sleeping Beauty

Nothingcompares wrote: »

What were the PPV sales for this? The highest ever?

Not sure if they've been released, so we may have to wait another week or so.

rovert

Nothingcompares wrote: »

What were the PPV sales for this? The highest ever?

Unlikely due to the massive X factor that is the economy and arguable a lackluster, unfocus promotional job by UFC.

dunkamania

As far as PPV numbers, I previously mentioned the lack of marketing from Zuffa in the run up. It now appears that they were holding back until the last week on the basis, that they were after the casual fan, who wouldnt plan to watch the PPV more than a week in advance. In the last week, there was alot of mainstream media coverage in the US, so the PPV probably did quite well. I am guessing 0.9m to 1.0m.

Also, below are the payouts for the event

Preliminary Bouts:

Matt Brown $16,000 ($8,00O win bonus) Defeated Ryan Thomas: $4,000
Mark Bocek: $18,000 ($9,000 win bonus) Defeated Alvin Robinson: $7,000
Jeremy Stephens: $16,000 ($8,000 win bonus)* Defeated Rafael dos Anjos: $4,000
Aaron Riley: $8,000 ($4,000 win bonus) Defeated Jorge Gurgel: $10,000#

Main Bouts:
Demian Maia: $40,000 ($20,000 win bonus) Defeated Nate Quarry: $25,000
Gabriel Gonzaga: $110,000 ($55,000 win bonus) Defeated Josh Hendricks: $8,000
Dustin Hazelett: $28,000 ($14,000 win bonus)^ Defeated Tamdan McCrory: $10,000
Kenny Florian: $80,000 ($40,000 win bonus) Defeated Joe Stevenson: $35,000
Brock Lesnar: $450,000 (includes $200,000 win bonus) Defeated Randy Couture: $250,000

UFC 91 Fight Bonuses:

* - Knockout of the Night:Jeremy Stephens ($60,000)

^ - Submission of the Night:Dustin Hazelett ($60,000)

# - Fight of the Night:
Jorge Gurgel, and Aaron Riley ($60,000/each)

Fozzy

dunkamania wrote: »

I am guessing 0.9m to 1.0m.

No way can I see it doing that many. 800,000 max. Even though they pushed it harder in the last week, it still wasn't near the level of previous million buy PPVs, from times when the economy was in better shape

You'll be waiting a lot longer than a week to hear the numbers. There's usually some very rough indication of a figure some time after a PPV with a more accurate number available a month or so afterwards. The UFC never officially announces them though

mirwillbeback

rovert wrote: »

It begins:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/82667-was-ufcs-91-main-event-predetermined

Have to say, I thought the Jeremy Stephens fight was suspect too, I mean he barely caught Dos Santos.

Otis Driftwood

rovert wrote: »

It begins:
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/82667-was-ufcs-91-main-event-predetermined

He does raise some interesting and thought provoking ideas.

Raze_them_all

"Lesnar couldnt outwrestle a paperbag"
Wasn't lesnar something like 106-5??

Derek Coleman

Imagine Kimbo Slice got payed more than Lesnar and Couture in his last fight in Elite XC. Wonder why they went out of business??

Fozzy

Raze_them_all wrote: »

"Lesnar couldnt outwrestle a paperbag"
Wasn't lesnar something like 106-5??

Better than that

Derek Coleman wrote: »

Imagine Kimbo Slice got payed more than Lesnar and Couture in his last fight in Elite XC. Wonder why they went out of business??

You do realise that they'd have been out of business long ago if it weren't for Kimbo? They'd never have gotten that TV deal without Kimbo. He was their saviour for five months

Couture and Lesnar both got paid way more than Kimbo though, with their PPV bonuses

Martin25

I thought that the referee let it go on too long and Randy took some unnecessary blows to the head while on the ground.

callaway92

Martin25 wrote: »

I thought that the referee let it go on too long and Randy took some unnecessary blows to the head while on the ground.

He couldnt enc the biggest match of the year early though...He did have to wait a bit longer..I think he waited enough

Maldini2706

The vast majority of people seem to think it was stopped too early, don't know how they came to that conclusion considering Randy was on the floor dazed for another minute after the ref stopped it.

Derek Coleman

Yeah I agree, Randy's head was still spinning when the ref stopped it. I didn't see Randy getting back up as long as Brock was hitting him so it would of continued until Brock got tired or the round ended.

rovert

Maldini2706 wrote: »

The vast majority of people seem to think it was stopped too early, don't know how they came to that conclusion considering Randy was on the floor dazed for another minute after the ref stopped it.

Too early?

Maldini2706

rovert wrote: »

Too early?

Yeah, loads of people on MMA.TV seemed to think that, it was bizarre, I thought it was a really late stoppage myself.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Brock was frantic and not every shot was landed cleanly on Couture and Couture was trying to move his head and body and he had his hand up for a few of them. I think the stoppage was right, not too early or late really. Seemed spot on. If Brock had a mount and was raining down solid punches and elbows it would have been stopped earlier but instead he was kneeling down to Randy's side and was treating Couture's general head area like a mole and his right hand was the bat. It really did look like a game of "whack-a-mole"

Nothingcompares

hey fozzy/other ppl what's the difference in terms of quality between a NCAA Divison 1 champion and an Olympian? in other words, did Brock not go to the Olympics because it was bad timing? did he give up/loss interest? not quality get picked?

rovert

Nothingcompares wrote: »

hey fozzy/other ppl what's the difference in terms of quality between a NCAA Divison 1 champion and an Olympian?

Im not an expert in the slightest but to the best of my knowledge none.

Nothingcompares wrote: »

in other words, did Brock not go to the Olympics because it was bad timing? did he give up/loss interest? not quality get picked?

It was his choice not to continue amateur and attempt to Wrestle in the Olympics. He simply wanted money so he went Pro. Three major Wrestling companies wanted him straight out of college. His developmental contract under which he learned Pro Wrestling paid him more than a fair few of those actually on television in WWE.