Kane

Doctor DooM

Zaph wrote: »

Cynical? I would have said misguided, deranged, juvenile or immature maybe, but cynical isn't really the first thing that springs to mind.

Seriously though, I really can't see what all the fuss is about. From all the dumbass Feedback threads I've seen, it appears that wrestling fans seem to fail to realise one important point - IT'S NOT FCUKING REAL. It's a bunch of grown men in spandex acting to some of the worst scripts ever committed to paper, and that includes pornos, for the entertainment of small children and rednecks. Those of us who have successfully negotiated puberty really don't care, so why the hell is there constantly so much grief about something that only a small minority care about?

Entirely missing the point there zaph. What you've posted there is actually your basic troll post in a wrestling forum

No one thinks it's real, it's judged by it's own set of criteria based on things like work rate etc.

Me and my buds would often while away a night having a few beers watching people pretend to beat each other up.

But this is waaaay off topic.

ShawnRaven

My 2 cents here.
Both rovert and KKV are to blame here in my honest opinion.

There have been times where rovert has brought it up as a joke. Now i'll be honest regarding rovert, about 3-4 months ago, he was an irritating sh*t. However the mods told him to tone it down and he did, since then some of us have actually had good banter with him.

But there's no smoke without fire either, and that's where KKV comes into it. He can't let it go either, he just can't ignore it. Especially in the Kane debate, KKV always has to have the last word. Go through any posts regarding Kane, you'll see that he just can't let it go. Hell, he even ignored me just for merely taking the piss out of one of the most talentless and useless guys on the WWE roster.

It's a two way thing, in fact i even had this discussion with KKV via PM (when i advised to take it out of the Nocturnal forum). KKV, when it comes to Kane does take things way too personally. The problem is, KKV doesn't want accept his share of the blame. I've tried to advise KKV several times to take what he says with a pinch of salt. In his view, he feels he's done nothing wrong.

If i was mod of PW personally, both of them would have been banned ages ago. Because between the pair of them, they've made PW an absolute misery to the point where people had left. Rovert was right in the sense that i lost interest in Pro Wrestling, however i stuck around in the channel to discuss the classic stuff. But even those threads went down a downward spiral because of some people not being able to let it go.

That's all from me really.

Zaph

SDooM wrote: »

Entirely missing the point there zaph. What you've posted there is actually your basic troll post in a wrestling forum

No one thinks it's real, it's judged by it's own set of criteria based on things like work rate etc.

Me and my buds would often while away a night having a few beers watching people pretend to beat each other up.

But this is waaaay off topic.

Ah, my bad, I've never really felt compelled to troll over there.

Really my point is though, why in god's name is the wrestling forum turning into the new shooting/airsoft/Waterford/insert problem forum of choice? My understanding is that it's pretty much a minority interest once you go beyond a certain age group, and yet there are grown adults constantly getting worked up about it here and obviously in the Noc forum too. If it was a real activity or sport I could understand it, but the fact that it's not I don't see how it justifies so much feedback.

Doctor DooM

ShawnRaven wrote: »

My 2 cents here.
Both rovert and KKV are to blame here in my honest opinion.

There have been times where rovert has brought it up as a joke. Now i'll be honest regarding rovert, about 3-4 months ago, he was an irritating sh*t. However the mods told him to tone it down and he did, since then some of us have actually had good banter with him.

But there's no smoke without fire either, and that's where KKV comes into it. He can't let it go either, he just can't ignore it. Especially in the Kane debate, KKV always has to have the last word. Go through any posts regarding Kane, you'll see that he just can't let it go. Hell, he even ignored me just for merely taking the piss out of one of the most talentless and useless guys on the WWE roster.

It's a two way thing, in fact i even had this discussion with KKV via PM (when i advised to take it out of the Nocturnal forum). KKV, when it comes to Kane does take things way too personally. The problem is, KKV doesn't want accept his share of the blame. I've tried to advise KKV several times to take what he says with a pinch of salt. In his view, he feels he's done nothing wrong.

If i was mod of PW personally, both of them would have been banned ages ago. Because between the pair of them, they've made PW an absolute misery to the point where people had left. Rovert was right in the sense that i lost interest in Pro Wrestling, however i stuck around in the channel to discuss the classic stuff. But even those threads went down a downward spiral because of some people not being able to let it go.

That's all from me really.

Great post.

Nevyn

Cos watching PW is al about the drama rather then the 'sport' of wrestling, it's soap opera in spandex the fans get all hyped up and this is what it results in.

Bubs101

For ****s sake Rovert, you started a feedback thread about Kane? Pettyness like this is why the forum has gone to ****.

ShawnRaven

Thaedydal wrote: »

Cos watching PW is al about the drama rather then the 'sport' of wrestling, it's soap opera in spandex the fans get all hyped up and this is what it results in.

Used to be! It's since deteriorated worse than that. I genuinely believe that most people watch it lately out of force of habit with the exception of the 8-12 age group who watch it now because they don't know any different, or better.

javaboy

Zaph wrote: »

Really my point is though, why in god's name is the wrestling forum turning into the new shooting/airsoft/Waterford/insert problem forum of choice?

I knew this was all Sully's fault somehow.

Doctor DooM

Zaph wrote: »

Ah, my bad, I've never really felt compelled to troll over there.

Really my point is though, why in god's name is the wrestling forum turning into the new shooting/airsoft/Waterford/insert problem forum of choice? My understanding is that it's pretty much a minority interest once you go beyond a certain age group, and yet there are grown adults constantly getting worked up about it here and obviously in the Noc forum too. If it was a real activity or sport I could understand it, but the fact that it's not I don't see how it justifies so much feedback.

It actually is a real activity, there are several irish federations these days.

And anyway, what s a "real" activity? It's as real as a play.

In anyways, there are about 4-5 people ruining the PW forum for everyone.

It's getting so every thread becomes an argument over minutae, personally I don't have the level of knowledge required for that.

ShawnRaven

SDooM wrote: »

personally I don't have the level of knowledge required for that.

Then you automatically qualify! Because neither do some of the posters causing the mess in there!

javaboy

SDooM wrote: »

It's getting so every thread becomes an argument over minutae, personally I don't have the level of knowledge required for that.

Sorry just had to correct you there. It's spelled minutiae. It's the little things that count. :pac:

copacetic

javaboy wrote: »

Sorry just had to correct you there. It's spelled minutiae. It's the little things that count. :pac:

Is it? Might want to revisit the rest of your post if you are such a stickler.

javaboy

copacetic wrote: »

Is it? Might want to revisit the rest of your post if you are such a stickler.

Sigh. I am not a grammar nazi. I'm just a sucker for wordplay.

Doctor DooM

copacetic wrote: »

Is it? Might want to revisit the rest of your post if you are such a stickler.

javaboy wrote: »

Sigh. I am not a grammar nazi. I'm just a sucker for wordplay.

See, he said the little things are what count... and minutieieieiaiaieieiai means little things... word play... see?

My brain hurt.

ShawnRaven

Way to derail the thread, lads.

orestes

It was derailed pages ago when the whole thing started going around in circles. A ruling from an smod that the whole thing was groundless was just the nail in the coffin tbh.

If ever a feedback thread was yelling out for catpics this is definitely a front-runner. What a waste of a Sunday.

Red Sleeping Beauty

orestes wrote: »

It was derailed pages ago when the whole thing started going around in circles. A ruling from an smod that the whole thing was groundless was just the nail in the coffin tbh.

If ever a feedback thread was yelling out for catpics this is definitely a front-runner. What a waste of a Sunday.

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rovert

ShawnRaven wrote: »

My 2 cents here.
Both rovert and KKV are to blame here in my honest opinion.

There have been times where rovert has brought it up as a joke. Now i'll be honest regarding rovert, about 3-4 months ago, he was an irritating sh*t. However the mods told him to tone it down and he did, since then some of us have actually had good banter with him.

But there's no smoke without fire either, and that's where KKV comes into it. He can't let it go either, he just can't ignore it. Especially in the Kane debate, KKV always has to have the last word. Go through any posts regarding Kane, you'll see that he just can't let it go. Hell, he even ignored me just for merely taking the piss out of one of the most talentless and useless guys on the WWE roster.

It's a two way thing, in fact i even had this discussion with KKV via PM (when i advised to take it out of the Nocturnal forum). KKV, when it comes to Kane does take things way too personally. The problem is, KKV doesn't want accept his share of the blame. I've tried to advise KKV several times to take what he says with a pinch of salt. In his view, he feels he's done nothing wrong.

If i was mod of PW personally, both of them would have been banned ages ago. Because between the pair of them, they've made PW an absolute misery to the point where people had left. Rovert was right in the sense that i lost interest in Pro Wrestling, however i stuck around in the channel to discuss the classic stuff. But even those threads went down a downward spiral because of some people not being able to let it go.

That's all from me really.

Come off it now ShawnRaven youve gotten into it about Kane worse than I ever have had, You made gay jokes about KKV and joked about him dressing up as Kane. I havent. Youve made stronger comments about Kane and his fans than Ive ever have.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57716880&postcount=28

Didnt you make a podcast ranting on Kane & KKV?

orestes wrote: »

It was derailed pages ago when the whole thing started going around in circles. A ruling from an smod that the whole thing was groundless was just the nail in the coffin tbh.

If ever a feedback thread was yelling out for catpics this is definitely a front-runner. What a waste of a Sunday.

How is it groundless extactly? God knows I posted enough proof.

ShawnRaven

rovert wrote: »

Come off it now ShawnRaven youve gotten into it about Kane worse than I ever have had, You made gay jokes about KKV and joked about him dressing up as Kane. I havent. Youve made stronger comments about Kane and his fans than Ive ever have.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57716880&postcount=28

We never claimed innocence! However the significant difference is that we let it drop after a couple of posts once we knew KKV wasn't going to let ti drop. We also kept it on topic regarding threads related to Kane. We didn't deliberately bring it up in threads not related just to make him rise. Something you have done more than once, so please don't even try and play that card with is rovert. Both of you have played your part, both of you were out of order on several occasions and you know it.

Didnt you make a podcast ranting on Kane & KKV?

You sure it was me? Earlier in this thread you refered to it as "Fozzy and Minto's podcast"!

But to answer your question, yes we did, we had to do something for anyone that was already pissed off with the issue. People thought it was funny, even KKV thought it was funny in places! Had we known it was going to be our last, we would have finished it up on a different note, however circumstances prevailed to prevent that.

rovert

ShawnRaven wrote: »

We never claimed innocence! However the significant difference is that we let it drop after a couple of posts once we knew KKV wasn't going to let ti drop. We also kept it on topic regarding threads related to Kane. We didn't deliberately bring it up in threads not related just to make him rise. Something you have done more than once, so please don't even try and play that card with is rovert.

With all due respect that is rubbish you have brought it up off topic in the past.

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Both of you have played your part, both of you were out of order on several occasions and you know it.

You have too in fairness. Again I’ve been more moderate than you have whenever Kane has come up.

In the recent past youve defended me when it came to this issue as well.

ShawnRaven wrote: »

You sure it was me? Earlier in this thread you refered to it as "Fozzy and Minto's podcast"!

I stand corrected, sorry it was early when I wrote that

ShawnRaven

rovert wrote: »

With all due respect that is rubbish you have brought it up off topic in the past.

I've also done all i could to get the subject dropped when it go too much, something you did the complete opposite. I tried more than once to get the pair of you to drop it, and even when KKV agreed to, you kept prolonging it.

You have too in fairness. Again I’ve been more moderate than you have whenever Kane has come up.

I'm not the one bringing my grievances about it to the feedback thread though. Why? Because i let it drop!

In the recent past youve defended me when it came to this issue as well.

Re-read my original post dude, i said both of you are to blame. One is fuel, the other is fire. I still stand by it so in a way, i'm still defending you. All i'm saying is that both of you have played your part. My part is irrelavant as i've let it drop and i'm not trying to take it up with admins or moderators, in fact, from what i've read, it's the fact that you tried to take it up with the mods in Nocturnal that got you banned there in the first place. Myself and KKV were asked not to take it up a week or two earlier. I respected that decision and advised KKV to take it up with me via PM for the sake of the thread not getting derailed like several ways as he thought i was solely accusing him of being the cause of the downfall of the PW forum.

For the record, i cited three main reasons in that conversation, the current state of PW, him and you. It's nothing personal, it's just how i've seen that forum go in recent months. I've also defended you in the sense that you've copped on a lot in the last couple of months, a point i will still back up. But setting verbal traps for KKV to walk into, which is what you do, is trolling. Something you claim to be very much against. Time to practice what you preach there.

I stand corrected, sorry it was early when I wrote that

No biggie, i just thought it was funny when i read it. Especially since we'd asked Fozzy to appear on it on numerous occasions but he just didn't have the time.

rovert

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I've also done all i could to get the subject dropped when it go too much, something you did the complete opposite. I tried more than once to get the pair of you to drop it, and even when KKV agreed to, you kept prolonging it.

Lets look at the last incident of this:

Your comment:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57717861&postcount=833

My comment:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57717985&postcount=839

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I'm not the one bringing my grievances about it to the feedback thread though. Why? Because i let it drop!

I’ve with often your assistance to your credit have tried to sort this thing out but KKV has made so many broken promises about knocking elements of his behavior on the head he hasn’t sticked to them he has lost all creditability with me. But the matter has persisted for me hence I made this thread. I’ve tried to sort it out poster to poster with him numerous times.

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Re-read my original post dude, i said both of you are to blame. One is fuel, the other is fire. I still stand by it so in a way, i'm still defending you. All i'm saying is that both of you have played your part. My part is irrelavant as i've let it drop and i'm not trying to take it up with admins or moderators, in fact, from what i've read, it's the fact that you tried to take it up with the mods in Nocturnal that got you banned there in the first place. Myself and KKV were asked not to take it up a week or two earlier. I respected that decision and advised KKV to take it up with me via PM for the sake of the thread not getting derailed like several ways as he thought i was solely accusing him of being the cause of the downfall of the PW forum.:)

As recent as last week I’ve asked him to curb his behavior. He thought in that thread were I gave him that advice that just mentioning Kane was an offence and this has gone on so long that other posters seem to think so as well.

ShawnRaven wrote: »

For the record, i cited three main reasons in that conversation, the current state of PW, him and you. It's nothing personal, it's just how i've seen that forum go in recent months. I've also defended you in the sense that you've copped on a lot in the last couple of months, a point i will still back up. But setting verbal traps for KKV to walk into, which is what you do, is trolling. Something you claim to be very much against. Time to practice what you preach there.

Here is the thing KKV and some others seem to think that anything mention of Kane in any context is trolling, a verbal trap or what have you. This is the reason why I created this thread.

Can you give an example of an out and out verbal trap on my part?

Doctor DooM

Rover. Seriously dude.

We're not stupid people.


You bated people with Kane. We all saw it, strawmans aren't ever going to distract from that. Proof was provided and you're basically ignoring it.

Yeah, other people did too, but they stopped (Shawn Raven, I have to say, I thought he was a git with that pretentious ape thing but he's jacked it in because he realised it was harmful. Thats called "learning from your mistakes" and also "growing"). KKV? Just as guilty as you, except he isn't in feedback moaning about it.

You've had users of every stripe in this thread saying this is BS. Up to and including Smods, who are really the highest power.

Not a SINGLE person has chimed in to say "yeah, you're right!"

Why do you reckon that is?

The only person continuing arguing on this thread is hurting is you.

rovert

rovert wrote: »

KKV has made so many broken promises about knocking elements of his behavior on the head he hasn’t sticked to them he has lost all creditability with me

I don't believe i have ever promised to change.

Here is the thing KKV and some others seem to think that anything mention of Kane in any context is trolling, a verbal trap or what have you. This is the reason why I created this thread.

As i said, i don't mind Kane being discussed. I don't care if you love him or hate him. Just don't use him to try and bait/attack me on the boards.

As for the podcast that time, I don't recall VR/Minto ever trying to be asses to me in it. They made a joke about the Kane attire, but they weren't aware it was me, and the only other mention i recall is when Minto was talking about WWE merchandise and mentioned that i buy a lot of it. I don't recall anything hurtful being said at all. They went a little rough on Kane in the podcast, but I didn't care because it wasn't in a "lets talk about Kane to annoy KKV" kinda way.


Rovert, VR, i don't have a problem with either of you. I enjoy being able to go into the PW forum and read whats going on and make the occasional posts here and there.

I don't have some grudge against you. Its the internet. If i were to take everything people here say very seriously, chances are i'd have committed suicide a long time ago.





Can't we all just get along?

rovert

SDooM wrote: »

You bated people with Kane. We all saw it, strawmans aren't ever going to distract from that. Proof was provided and you're basically ignoring it.

Where was this proof exactly? An out of context joke which other people thanked me for.

Me posting example after example of what Im talking about goes beyond strawmen. It is the norm rather that the exception.

SDooM wrote: »

Yeah, other people did too, but they stopped (Shawn Raven, I have to say, I thought he was a git with that pretentious ape thing but he's jacked it in because he realised it was harmful. Thats called "learning from your mistakes" and also "growing"). KKV? Just as guilty as you, except he isn't in feedback moaning about it.

Once again pretentious ape was a troll who posted verbal abuse which got deleted he re-reged the next day and posted more verbal abuse. He got banned twice in less than 24 hours. Ask the mods if you dont believe me. Ive never posted verbal abuse here.

SDooM wrote: »

You've had users of every stripe in this thread saying this is BS. Up to and including Smods, who are really the highest power.

Not a SINGLE person has chimed in to say "yeah, you're right!"[/QUOTE]

People have been critical of KKV tho. This isnt a popularity contest even though some here want to turn this thread into one. Ive a legitmate point, Ive stated my case and have provided examples.

rovert

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't believe i have ever promised to change. ?

People have asked you to drop it in threads see the example I posted above.

Deleted User wrote: »

As i said, i don't mind Kane being discussed. I don't care if you love him or hate him. Just don't use him to try and bait/attack me on the boards.

Once again you seem to take every not positive mention of him as a slight, insult, baiting, trolling etc. There has been instances were you stated that posters were telling you not to like Kane when in fact that never happened. I asked you for back up you supplied none. Youve criticised me in the past of using facts in a thread about Kane just because they werent favourable to Kane yet had no information to disprove them. Once again Ive been more moderate than most when the subject of Kane pops up.

Deleted User wrote: »

As for the podcast that time, I don't recall VR/Minto ever trying to be asses to me in it. They made a joke about the Kane attire, but they weren't aware it was me, and the only other mention i recall is when Minto was talking about WWE merchandise and mentioned that i buy a lot of it. I don't recall anything hurtful being said at all. They went a little rough on Kane in the podcast, but I didn't care because it wasn't in a "lets talk about Kane to annoy KKV" kinda way.

Did you get annoyed at Shawn around the same time when asked was your Kane on too tight and when he made a gay reference about you relating to your fandom?

Deleted User wrote: »

Rovert, VR, i don't have a problem with either of you. I enjoy being able to go into the PW forum and read whats going on and make the occasional posts here and there.

In dont have a problem with you either in general just how you handle this one issue. In fairness given this post yesterday you do seem to have problem with me judging by this post yesterday:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57924652&postcount=10

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't have some grudge against you. Its the internet. If i were to take everything people here say very seriously, chances are i'd have committed suicide a long time ago.

On the other hand you posted in the past such things as I was enjoying this thread until Kane was mentioned and the aforementioned as a Kane fan if he is mentioned I must defend him.

Deleted User wrote: »

Can't we all just get along?

Can we post about every and all wrestlers freely without being threatened with with being reported or being accused of starting something by same or others?

Daysha

Why the hell is this topic still open!?!?

Rovert, here's what you were looking for, proof of you baiting KKV over the Kane issue. It just so happens to be a topic you linked us to back in post 13.

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055407543

Read that topic, take a deep breath, and then re-read it to be doubley sure.

Now, who is the FIRST poster to mention Kane in that topic? Remember, the original discussion had NOTHING to do with Kane in the first place. It was about the new TNA set. Have you figured out the answer yet? You can use ctrl+f and enter kane and see whose post comes up if you like

Yes, it's you. You were the one that brought up Kane in the first place, knowing too well that the person you were replying to was going to react strongly to your comment. You baited him. You have your proof. End of.

Now for the love of the interweb, close this travesty of a topic.

ShawnRaven

rovert wrote: »

Lets look at the last incident of this:

Your comment:
http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57717861&postcount=833

My comment:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=57717985&postcount=839

Null and void my friend, as i'm not taking it further in feedback.

I’ve with often your assistance to your credit have tried to sort this thing out but KKV has made so many broken promises about knocking elements of his behavior on the head he hasn’t sticked to them he has lost all creditability with me. But the matter has persisted for me hence I made this thread. I’ve tried to sort it out poster to poster with him numerous times.

Again, you're both guilty of that rovert. Neither of you can deny this.

As recent as last week I’ve asked him to curb his behavior. He thought in that thread were I gave him that advice that just mentioning Kane was an offence and this has gone on so long that other posters seem to think so as well.

As i said dude, not once did i single you out. I'm well aware that KKV has his part to play in it, in fact i blatantly pointed it out to him and he still saw nothing wrong in his posts. It's circles i'm afraid.

Here is the thing KKV and some others seem to think that anything mention of Kane in any context is trolling, a verbal trap or what have you. This is the reason why I created this thread.

Can you give an example of an out and out verbal trap on my part?

You can go through posts rovert, i've better things to do with my time dude. You know you deliberately bring up Kane for no reason other because you know you set off KKV, you even started it in Nocturnal (which several people have pointed out).

Trust me rovert, it's not a case of you being right and everyone else being wrong here. Fozzy has given you enough rope in PW for you to hang yourself with (for reasons a lot of people do not understand), something orestes didn't do in Nocturnal. Bombidol has been driven up the wall with the abundance of reported posts over the pair of you. And as i've already said, if it was me, the pair of you would have been banned long ago on the grounds that both of you have played an essential part of PW being an utter misery to look through

That's my last word on this rovert. You don't need me to provide examples and neither does KKV, you both know you're equally to blame. You're both adults, how about behaving like them and just cut the crap once and for all?

For all our sakes!

ShawnRaven

Deleted User wrote: »

VR/Minto

KKV, can you please start using my new nick? Not everyone here knows i went under a previous nick and you're just making yourself sound very confusing.

Thanks.

rovert

rovert wrote: »

Did you get annoyed at Shawn around the same time when asked was your Kane on too tight and when he made a gay reference about you relating to your fandom?

Oh yeah. I forgot about that. I don't even understand those jokes.



And Rovert, for the last time, go ahead, make a Kane thread in PW. bash him. discuss him. Look down on him. Do as you feel. Just don't mention me in the thread and i wont care.