Cage of Truth this Saturday

Clive

Main Event

• Dave Kelly (Team Rhino) v Tim McCrory 84kgs (KMMA) (A)
• Aisling Daly (Ire) v Tevi Say (France) 55kgs (A)

International Fights

• Matthew Boyle (Sparta) v Dara Nhang (France) 66kgs (B)
• Chris Fields (SBG) v Bruno Fratini (France) 84kgs (B)
• Rob Quinn (SBG) v Mickael Daboville (France) (61kgs) (B)

Undercard

• Mark Fairman (UL) v Rob Freeman (Sparta) 70kgs (B)
• Andree Ramos (SBG) v Ray Dowd (Top Pro) 77kgs (B)
• Philip Scollard (NG) v Gary Lilley (Mike's Gym) 77kgs (B)
• Trevor McGlynn (SFT) v Lee Metcalfe (Rush) 77kgs (C)
• Robbie Hickey (RMMA) v Ronan Birmingham (PBS) 70kgs (C)
• Casey Walsh (RMMA) v Niall Flynn (Rush) 77kgs (C)

Anyone going to Cage of Truth this weekend? Unfortunately I'll miss most of the fights, but I have no doubt those I do see will be schweet. War chaps (and ladies)!

Roper

Still not sure I can make it, if I can I might be like you Clive and miss a lot but as long as I get to see the headliners I'll be happy.

mark.leonard

Mr Grappletastic will be in attendance. Ronan's fight is early so I should be able to see most of the match ups.

weemate

I will be there.......

cowzerp

my lads are on early so i'll get most of the fights in, i'm looking forward to this. Some good matches.

dasmoose

I'll be there in Gary's corner.

War the dutchman!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Working on Saturday night

Valmont

where's Mike's Gym? Never heard of it before.

dasmoose

Mike's Gym is in Amsterdam.

Most well known guy fighting out of there is Melvin Manhoef.

Roper

NNggggggggggggaaaggghhhhhhh!!!! I'm not going to make this now. Vids someone please!!!!

MartyMcFly84

It cant some soon enough! Dyin to munch into a serious amouts of hamburgers/steak and other kinds of processed animal after weigh ins tomorrow.:)

although im still kind of stuffed from that 1/2 cucumber I had for dinner last night;)

Hoping to make it but still not sure.

War Scollard!!

ryoishin

most likely.

Judomad

unofficail results

Dave Kelly (Team Rhino) v Tim McCrory 84kgs (KMMA) (A) kelly by cut
Aisling Daly (Ire) v Tevi Say (France) 55kgs (A) ais by BASH:P

International Fights
Matthew Boyle (Sparta) v Dara Nhang (France) 66kgs (B) cumberton armbar
Chris Fields (SBG) v Bruno Fratini (France) 84kgs (B) bruno DQ
Rob Quinn (SBG) v Mickael Daboville (France) (61kgs) (B) mickael

Undercard
Mark Fairman (UL) v Rob Freeman (Sparta) 70kgs (B) fairman
Andree Ramos (SBG) v Ray Dowd (Top Pro) 77kgs (B) ramos
Philip Scollard (NG) v Gary Lilley (Mike's Gym) 77kgs (B) lilley
Trevor McGlynn (SFT) v Lee Metcalfe (Rush) 77kgs (C) metcalfe by armbar rnd 2:D
Robbie Hickey (RMMA) v Ronan Birmingham (PBS) 70kgs (C) dunno???
Casey Walsh (RMMA) v Niall Flynn (Rush) 77kgs (C) Niall by Kimura rnd 1:D

Pride Fighter

Judomad wrote: »

unofficail results

Dave Kelly (Team Rhino) v Tim McCrory 84kgs (KMMA) (A) kelly by cut
Aisling Daly (Ire) v Tevi Say (France) 55kgs (A) ais by BASH:P

International Fights
Matthew Boyle (Sparta) v Dara Nhang (France) 66kgs (B) cumberton armbar
Chris Fields (SBG) v Bruno Fratini (France) 84kgs (B) bruno DQ
Rob Quinn (SBG) v Mickael Daboville (France) (61kgs) (B) mickael

Undercard
Mark Fairman (UL) v Rob Freeman (Sparta) 70kgs (B) fairman
Andree Ramos (SBG) v Ray Dowd (Top Pro) 77kgs (B) ramos
Philip Scollard (NG) v Gary Lilley (Mike's Gym) 77kgs (B) lilley
Trevor McGlynn (SFT) v Lee Metcalfe (Rush) 77kgs (C) metcalfe by armbar rnd 2:D
Robbie Hickey (RMMA) v Ronan Birmingham (PBS) 70kgs (C) dunno???
Casey Walsh (RMMA) v Niall Flynn (Rush) 77kgs (C) Niall by Kimura rnd 1:D

Sounds like a good night of action. What will Ais do now that Elite XC has folded, she needs good competition and is worthy of a belt IMO.

Colm_OReilly

Thanks to John et al for a great show. Spartan MMA had one loss - simple mistake by Rob gave Mark the advantage and he took it for a deserved win - and one win - cool calm Cumberton wasn't letting go of Nhang's arm and took a first round submission victory, much to his audible fans delight.

Overall, from a spectator's PoV (what I saw) it was a hellacious night, with no fights going the distance and a great mix of stand up, wrestling and submission work.

The crowd got a bit messy, but none more than to be expected. Richie did a good job of keeping them excited and also moving them back to keep the walkways clear.

Roll on the next one. Well done JK.

Col

Drunkmonkey79

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

The crowd got a bit messy, but none more than to be expected. Richie did a good job of keeping them excited and also moving them back to keep the walkways clear.

Am i alone in thinking that selling drink + no crowd control barriers surrounding the cage and entrance way of fighters is a complete disaster?
I wasn't at this show but i have been to the previous ones and couldn't help but feel that a bunch of lads standing around with cans just cheapens the image of the sport.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Drunkmonkey79 wrote: »

Am i alone in thinking that selling drink + no crowd control barriers surrounding the cage and entrance way of fighters is a complete disaster?
I wasn't at this show but i have been to the previous ones and couldn't help but feel that a bunch of lads standing around with cans just cheapens the image of the sport.

I arrived over very late for this one, and was immediately struck by the sight before me and I couldn't agree with you more.

Not only does it cheapen the image of the sport, but the fighters and genuine fan deserve better.

Roper

Who says that people with beer cans aren't genuine fans just because they're having the beverages being sold at the venue? Would glasses or plastic cups have improved the image in any way?

Having done a bit of this now between organising Taekwondo tournaments and running a (hopefully successful) fight show in two weeks time, I sympathise with anyone who is willing to put the time and effort into the organisation of a show. Firstly, there are next to no purpose built venues for small events. The ones that do exist are either a) too large or b) privately owned and prohibitively expensive.

What you're left it is clubs like the one from the other night or where my show will be, who provide their halls, even though they don't have to, and provide the best facilities they can on the night.

Believe it or not, nobody is making big bucks out of promoting fight shows of this kind. When I declared my intention to run one I got two mails from two different promoters "best of luck, lots to do and you'll probably lose money", and "prepare to lose money and more hair, I made a profit of €11 at my last show!" Fighters cost €€€, doctors cost €€€, Ambulances €€€, cages €€€€, venues €€€€, ticket printing, posters, PAs, DJs, security, ring girls, timekeepers, judges, the list of costs is literally endless.

So while I'm not asking anyone to shed a tear for the poor promoter (after all they choose to do it), I think a bit of perspective is in order. If things like crowd control barriers were brought in, the only victims would be the fighters, because theres is the only negotiable expense on the whole cost sheet. I'm not alone when I say that fighters come first.

I'm not aiming this at anyone it's more of a general rant as I've come up against some of the barriers that I know a lot of people doing the same thing as I have come up against. I was up in Newry at UC2, the venue they had there made the event. Tiered seating, one massive warm up hall, a bar service and not too big so that the place is empty and the promoters have to take out another mortgage. There is simply no comparable venue in Dublin, and as far as I know, the Newry Sports Centre is publicly funded.

Drunkmonkey79

No one is doubting the cost involved with running a show or the stress of organising everything but as you pointed out yourself its by choice.
You say fighters come first but without spectating fans filling the seats there's no show for the fighters! So i think a little thought towards general production values of a show and some better drinking rules would go along way to bringing in more casual fans who would easily be intimidated or put off by the site of piss heads standing around with cans, shouting obscene comments and generaly just looking to see any fight. Now i don't doubt that some of the people sitting in there seats with cans are genuine fans just enjoying the show and a beverage but unfortunetly its always the bad element that will stand out.

p to the e

i wasn't at the event but if i was i wouldn't have liked to see a barage of bodies with cans and with no some sort of crowd control in place. the fact is that if this was the way why didn't it take place in a field? this was supposed to be some sort of a professionally run event so a certain level of discipline was definitely needed.

Roper

p to the e wrote: »

i wasn't at the event

You literally can't make it up.

spiral

p to the e wrote: »

i wasn't at the event but I am a moron .

Yes we know.

Drunkmonkey79

spiral wrote: »

Yes we know, i too am a moron. Welcome brother!

Wow that is both fun and pointless! Try stay on topic

spiral

Try english write


In replying to a moron in whose opinion an mma event without crowd control barriers should really just be held in a field Im sorry if I injected some humour. If the venue serves beer then people are going to buy it . If people drinking beer shouting obscene comments offends you then maybe you should get out some more .

Clive

Hey are we talking about the great new cage? Or the second successful event at one of MMA's newer venues? Ot having three doctors at cageside? Or the great refereeing? Or the great fights with international talent on board? Or even the ruggedly handsome cornermen?

Seriously though, everyone is entitled to their opinion, so I'll wade in with mine.

Three issues have been raised here - drink, crowd control and professionalism/"the image of the sport".

First, I just like to say that I was drinking from a lovely plastic pint glass (two of them actually). The same plastic glasses I used to drink from in university (full of knacks UCD is I swear) and the same plastic glasses people will be drinking from at the UFC in January (except that Good Counsel didn't charge € 6.50). I've been to MMA events that haven't had drink served and while a few people might have brought their kids or girlfriends that otherwise wouldn't have - these are not the core demographic that MMA attracts. Go into town any night and you'll see it - the minute a fight breaks out, nearly every 18-30 year old male will stop to watch.

Let me say this clearly: events without drink will not attract casual fans.
Take a group of guys who might have caught a UFC on television and tell them that there's an event on down the road with no drink and they probably won't go. Phrase it as "we'll go, watch some fights, have a few beers and then head into town afterwards" and you can convince that group. Some people may not like that reality - they may think that MMA should be happy families sitting in an orderly fashion and applauding guard-passing, and maybe they're right, maybe it should be - but it's not going to happen.

Next crowd control. Yes, it's annoying when you can't see at an event, but even with tiered, assigned seating this can happen (see the "I had a giggle thread"). As regards people around the entrance - yes it's annoying to have to get past people to get to the cage/ring, but that's tempered by the feeling you get as a fighter when you step out of the ring/cage, win or lose - and you have this crowd of people you've never met slapping you on the back and telling you you did well (and even offering to buy you one of those evil alcoholic beverages if you're lucky).

If anyone wants to volunteer to spend the next event herding people back from the walkways, I'm sure the promoters would love to hear from you.

Finally "the image of the sport". Firstly, nobody owns MMA to say what the image of the sport is or should be. It is, ultimately, the people who are in there doing things that set the image.

Anyone who knows me will attest that I have many (many!) things I don't like in MMA (and related activities such as sub wrasslin') and that occasioanally I like a good bitch and moan as much as anyone. However, if you don't like the way the sport is going, then get in there and make a difference, otherwise, you're just complaining on the internet.

I think somebody said earlier that there would be no events without spectators - this is simply not true. It would be a huge step back, but I have no doubt that most of active fighters in Ireland would pay to fight if it was the only way.

Clive

And before anyone points it out, yes, I am aware of the irony of going on the internet to complain about people complaining on the internet.

Perfect fit

+1 clive hit the nail on the head

Roper

Drunkmonkey79 wrote: »

So i think a little thought towards general production values of a show and some better drinking rules would go along way to bringing in more casual fans who would easily be intimidated or put off by the site of piss heads standing around with cans, shouting obscene comments and generaly just looking to see any fight.

Imagine coming to a fight show to see a fight? Listen, you've been on here criticising the price of my show before too so you obviously have some high standards you want to see met.

Firstly, have you been to a football or rugby match lately? Go stand on a GAA sideline and you may just hear some colourful language shouted occasionally. Go to any big match in Croker and you'll hear plenty of "obscene comments". Sport of any kind is an emotional affair and attracts it's fair share of idiots who will shout and roar obscenities too. If you're offended by colourful language then I suggest you stay out of sporting events, and probably while you're at it pubs, clubs, coffee shops, schoolyards, factories, card games, universities and while you're at it, stop watching movies too.

What "drinking rules" would you impose? I'd be really interested to hear how you'd enforce them. As Clive has said, most people, even some of the fighter's friends, would not go to a fight night unless they could have a few drinks and combine it with a good night out, maybe going on to a club afterwards. These are the 'casual fans' who may just get a taste for the sport and come to more shows afterwards. They are also the paying customers who ensure that the shows can go off, and their custom at the bar ensures that the venues will consider hosting the events in the first place.

davmol

Have to say I thought the show was a great night out.
I had relatives over from Canada -3 cousins.
We were drinking earlier and catching up as i hadnt seen them in a couple of years.I bought them tickets and mentioned we should head up to Good counsel shortly,they hesitated saying theyd like to continue drinking as they were having a laugh until i mentioned there was drink available.We headed up and had a few beers and they thought it was great being able to have a few drinks watching the fights as some events theyd been to in Toronto are alcohol free.

As the night went on they were having a great laugh at the banter from the crowd,more like humourous slagging than anything malicious.Would it be better if the crowd sat there silently with the occasional 'tally ho ole chap,splendid armbar' or sat there sipping Cognacs with Deck shoes and ralph laurens on.

The only thing id suggest different is if the cage could be elevated from the ground.I say this because everytime the fight went to ground alot of people rushed forward as they couldnt see over the rows in front,which caused people to stand up which in turn caused people to stand on chairs disrupting some peoles views at the back.If the cage was raised up this might make void the need for people to rush forward and stand on chairs.Maybe also move table which held the trophies from the friont of the cage so people at teh front row arent standing to see the ground fight action.

All in all,considering the budgets and relative infancy of these shows in Ireland i was amazed at how well the events went with no sacrifice to quality of fighters,fights and fighter safety.Ill definitely be at the next COT and the 'fight before Christmas'

Martin Walker

davmol wrote: »

The only thing id suggest different is if the cage could be elevated from the ground.

I think your spot on here man.

The Cage that was used was mine. I have the engineer that built the rig working on a way to raise it a few foot more but unfortunatly it wasnt finished by the show. The last Spartan show i put on ws in a club with a Balcony around the room so the fact it was just 1ft off the floor wasnt a problem. It was the first time weve had it in a sports hall like that.
The next time JK or whoever needs it i will have the extensions finished.

Id also like to touch on some thing else here. Alcohol. The majority of people who come to MMA shows are "mates" of fighters. Between the ages of 18-40. Your friend competing in a sport that many only see on TV is a big deal. So when it comes around its a big night out. So sometimes some one gets a bit too excited and maybe drinks a bit too much. But this can happen at any time. Its not really a problem.
When im selling tickets for my show or for other Promotions as i have done in the past i tell the interested people that its a great night out. Go along have a beer do a bit of shouting support the lads then when its all over head to the pub. Job done. Having a beer is all part of the atmosphere. Gets people into it more.
Spartan Promotions will always have Bar facilities. I dont have a problem with drunk people ive been drunk before myself. We all have. It happens.

I thought it was a solid show. Well ran, high standard of fighters and JK looked after us very well.


Thanks for your time.

Marty (jnr):cool:

Drunkmonkey79

Roper, everyone on here knows you have a show coming up so you can stop mentioning it in every second post.;)
My problem is not with individual things on there own but more the sum of them.
1. People standing around a venue blocking your view instead of sitting in designated seats is annoying but bearable.
2. Idiots screaming stupid comments with no knowlege of the sport and simply there to see a fight is annoying but bearable and its not a case of 'Imagine coming to a fight show to see a fight'. To drunks throwing digs at each other is a fight, MMA is more then that.
3. Fighters having to push through a crowd is unprofessional and while it doesn't affect me personally, i just think it looks terrible.
Each of these things on there own would bug me but not play on my mind to much but together they make for a sh1t night out regardless of how good the fights are.
In relation to the drinking, i think you should keep it at the bar. There's no denying that spectating sports and drinking go hand in hand but again i just don't think it looks well when combined with things i mentioned above.

Roper

Drunkmonkey79 wrote: »

Roper, everyone on here knows you have a show coming up so you can stop mentioning it in every second post.;)

One thing I love is people who try to be smart. The winking emoticon doesn't make your comment any less offensive. You said my show was too expensive, now you're saying that CoT was badly run, yet in the same breath it's all how big a supporter of Irish MMA you are. Listen I wasn't trying to promote my show on this thread, but even if I was I'm not going to apologise for actually trying to do something as opposed to trying to pi55 on other's efforts. If you're so annoyed, why didn't you approach anyone on Saturday night at the show instead of whining on the internet about it? I already know the answer to that, because this way is easy. So you're a big supporter of Irish MMA, but not so big so as to shell out an extra €5 for a show, and not so big as to come on here and run down one of Ireland's longest running promotions on which many an Irish fighter has been given their first opportunity to fight.

Clive has said it better than I can. Here we have a thread about a great MMA show with some cracking fights and rather than the discussion being about how good they were, instead we have people complaining that they didn't like the way people were standing in the crowd. PCA put on excellent, professional shows. I've fought on the cards for the guys twice now and I've been given the best of treatment. Nobody is perfect though and I'm sure the organisers would address any genuine grievances that went through the proper channels, but I doubt anyone who is complaining will actually do that.

Drunkmonkey79

I NEVER said CoT was badly run, so don't be putting words in my mouth.
Why don't i approach someone on the night? Are you serious? tell me this, when your running your show will you really have time for some random stranger telling you what he didn't like about your show?
I NEVER ran down any promotion, my comments were generalised. I simply asked if anyone felt the same on the issue raised by Colm O'Reilly about the crowd.
So now, instead of ranting back and forth here with me why not just accept that i had an opinion on an issue and while you and others may not agree with it some others have so just leave it at that.
PM me if you wanna talk further about this.

Roper

Colm O'Reilly wrote:

The crowd got a bit messy, but none more than to be expected. Richie did a good job of keeping them excited and also moving them back to keep the walkways clear.

Drunkmonkey79 wrote:

Am i alone in thinking that selling drink + no crowd control barriers surrounding the cage and entrance way of fighters is a complete disaster?
I wasn't at this show but i have been to the previous ones and couldn't help but feel that a bunch of lads standing around with cans just cheapens the image of the sport.

Yes, it's like you're reading from the same book alright. "a bit messy" and "complete disaster" are hardly the same now are they?

Just go back in your box. Criticising things you weren't even at. I'm ashamed of myself for even bothering with you for this long.

Dragan

Folks,

last time i checked JK was a pretty decent skin who is more than happy to answer the questions that people put to him ( at least, he has answered every PM i ever sent him, fair play to him as we have never met ).

He also strikes me as the type of guy who plans on improving his Promotion from show to show so i'm sure he would happily listen to peoples concerns.

The funniest thing is that he is easily contactable, i would say about as easy to contact as posting on this message board.

If you have what you feel is a genuine concern about any Irish Promotion ( as we will be hosting such talk ) then thats all good, you can raise it here.

That will not stop me pointing out much better, more fruitful ways to go about showing how much you support Irish MMA, such as sending a quick message to the people who run the shows.

It will also not stop other people from disagreeing with you.

Personally, i have been to a couple of Irish MMA shows. I always enjoyed them and had a great night. However, i think it would be stupid of me to comment on any show that i was not at , including this one.

Just my two cents.

Dragan

Dragan wrote: »

at least, he has answered every PM i ever sent him, fair play to him as we have never met .

I when people don't write back to my PM's!!

Dragan wrote: »

However, i think it would be stupid of me to comment on any show that i was not at , including this one.

QFT.

Dragan

Deleted User wrote: »

I when people don't write back to my PM's!!

Quite you. I am actually researching the subject matter for you! lol:D

arybvtcw0eolkf

Ok, after initially commenting on the show earlier, I decided to read all sides of the argument before commenting further.

Re. my comments "on the scene before me" when I entered the hall. Well initially it did look awful, and I'd imagine slightly intimidating to some. But someone later in the thread mentioned the cage being at floor level so the crowd had to stand for a better view of the bouts..

With that said, I'll completely withdraw my earlier comments.

Re. expensive shows. Well I've no idea about the logistics behind running an MMA show, but I've no reason to doubt everything Roper has said re. the planning, organisation and expense of putting on a show, so are they expensive.. In the early days I attended every show I could, and loved the scene. But these days there's a lot more shows taking place annually, so in that respect for me they've become too expensive, so now I pick the shows which I know a particular fight will take place and catch the news on the rest here and through the grape vine.

Roper, best of luck with your show. I genuinely wish I could get to it, but work dictates otherwise.

As for C.o.T and any other show which JK is behind, I think I've been to them all and their always a showcase of Irish MMA.

oztots

Judomad wrote: »

unofficail results

Robbie Hickey (RMMA) v Ronan Birmingham (PBS) 70kgs (C) dunno???

Anybody able to tell me the results of this?

bjj-fighter

Ronan Birmingham won I think

oztots

bjj-fighter wrote: »

Ronan Birmingham won I think

Thanks lad,

Would you know him? Cos im out of the country atm and cant get into contact with the ronan i know that started mma in pbs. trying to find out if its him

bjj-fighter

I'd say get in touch with the PBS coach Mark Leonard or contact the gym

http://www.pointblankgym.com/contact.aspx

Mikel

Clive wrote: »

First, I just like to say that I was drinking from a lovely plastic pint glass (two of them actually). The same plastic glasses I used to drink from in university (full of knacks UCD is I swear) and the same plastic glasses people will be drinking from at the UFC in January (except that Good Counsel didn't charge € 6.50). I've been to MMA events that haven't had drink served and while a few people might have brought their kids or girlfriends that otherwise wouldn't have - these are not the core demographic that MMA attracts. Go into town any night and you'll see it - the minute a fight breaks out, nearly every 18-30 year old male will stop to watch.

Let me say this clearly: events without drink will not attract casual fans.
Take a group of guys who might have caught a UFC on television and tell them that there's an event on down the road with no drink and they probably won't go. Phrase it as "we'll go, watch some fights, have a few beers and then head into town afterwards" and you can convince that group. Some people may not like that reality - they may think that MMA should be happy families sitting in an orderly fashion and applauding guard-passing, and maybe they're right, maybe it should be - but it's not going to happen.

Next crowd control. Yes, it's annoying when you can't see at an event, but even with tiered, assigned seating this can happen (see the "I had a giggle thread"). As regards people around the entrance - yes it's annoying to have to get past people to get to the cage/ring, but that's tempered by the feeling you get as a fighter when you step out of the ring/cage, win or lose - and you have this crowd of people you've never met slapping you on the back and telling you you did well (and even offering to buy you one of those evil alcoholic beverages if you're lucky).

If anyone wants to volunteer to spend the next event herding people back from the walkways, I'm sure the promoters would love to hear from you.

Finally "the image of the sport". Firstly, nobody owns MMA to say what the image of the sport is or should be. It is, ultimately, the people who are in there doing things that set the image.

Anyone who knows me will attest that I have many (many!) things I don't like in MMA (and related activities such as sub wrasslin') and that occasioanally I like a good bitch and moan as much as anyone. However, if you don't like the way the sport is going, then get in there and make a difference, otherwise, you're just complaining on the internet.

I think somebody said earlier that there would be no events without spectators - this is simply not true. It would be a huge step back, but I have no doubt that most of active fighters in Ireland would pay to fight if it was the only way.

Hmmmm well thought out articulated arguments......... Begone witch!
I'm glad I'm not a promoter, imagine the only feedback being complaints about minor issues, better prepare yourself now Roper

Tim_Murphy

I actually think this Drunkmonkey chap probably has some valid points. Better security would be a huge help with crowd control. I know skangers were causing hassle at least two of the Ring of Truths I competed on.

mark.leonard

oztots wrote: »

Thanks lad,

Would you know him? Cos im out of the country atm and cant get into contact with the ronan i know that started mma in pbs. trying to find out if its him

Its him and Ronan indeed won by first round arm bar after a good fight.
PM me and I can pass on your well wishes.

Roper

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

I actually think this Drunkmonkey chap probably has some valid points. Better security would be a huge help with crowd control. I know skangers were causing hassle at least two of the Ring of Truths I competed on.

Surprisingly I agree, and even agree a little bit with him. My gripe is with the fact that he didn't even attend the show, and I also have some issues with him regarding his totally unsolicited post criticising my show

Dragan

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

I actually think this Drunkmonkey chap probably has some valid points. Better security would be a huge help with crowd control. I know skangers were causing hassle at least two of the Ring of Truths I competed on.

I was at one of them. Myself and a mate kept clearing the ring area during your fight with Roddy actually.

I don't know. I'm licensed for this type of thing and could pull a group of 3 or 4 lads who would all know their stuff and be licensed as well.

Would there be any point though? I mean, surely MMA promoters have access to all kinds of blokes who will stand around and do a bit of crowd control.

Mikel

Roper wrote: »

Surprisingly I agree, and even agree a little bit with him. My gripe is with the fact that he didn't even attend the show, and I also have some issues with him regarding his totally unsolicited post criticising my show

Let me get the ball rolling by saying I was disappointed by your show which has not happened yet