LoI Close Season Transfer Rumours/Gossip 2008-09

Slash/ED

I may be alone in this, but I love Georgie. Always great entertainment.

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stovelid wrote: »

Had a quick look at the FAI site to see where that may have come from, and can't find it.

It was in a press release.

Looking at the front page of the site, you'd be hard pushed to realize there is any link between the FAI and the league.

Just as when looking at an international on television.

bohsman

Slash/ED wrote: »

I may be alone in this, but I love Georgie. Always great entertainment.

Id love to see him at Bohs, took the banter thrown his way during the Bohs Cork game in Dalymount brilliantly last season applauding the Bohs fans at the end.

SectionF

bohsman wrote: »

Id love to see him at Bohs, took the banter thrown his way during the Bohs Cork game in Dalymount brilliantly last season applauding the Bohs fans at the end.

That's right. And there's not too many opposition players you can say that about!
I've always had a sneaking regard for George. Nice to see a player who can turn on a bit of magic now and then.

gimmick

Both Cork City and Drogheda will be playing in the premier next season I am told. While obviously I am delighted about CCFC if true, it is a bit of a farce that the 2 worst run clubs in the division last year hold their status.

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then that's me finished with this league

smackbunnybaby

Des wrote: »

then that's me finished with this league

There's always the Leinster Senior League Des!

LuckyLloyd

gimmick wrote: »

Both Cork City and Drogheda will be playing in the premier next season I am told. While obviously I am delighted about CCFC if true, it is a bit of a farce that the 2 worst run clubs in the division last year hold their status.

Mmm, an understatement there methinks.

applehunter

We took our 10 point deduction.

We have paid pack all arrears to players AFAIK.

What more do you want Shylock?

stovelid

gimmick wrote: »

Both Cork City and Drogheda will be playing in the premier next season I am told.

Jesus. I give up at this stage, I really do.

pablomakaveli

Des wrote: »

then that's me finished with this league

Bye.

SectionF

Pragmatic decision. Two big clubs the league can ill-afford to lose.

CiaranC

SectionF wrote: »

Pragmatic decision. Two big clubs the league can ill-afford to lose.

Whats big about Drogheda? They could have gone bust and noone would have notice. A nothing club who went on a spending spree to oblivion and got away with it. Theres already a proper football club in that area - Dundalk.

If true, its ridiculous that these two clubs are playing in the premier next season.

SectionF

How far is Dundalk from Drogheda?

LuckyLloyd

SectionF wrote: »

How far is Dundalk from Drogheda?

Google is your friend

bohsman

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Google is your friend

One of the main reasons given for people not following the league is that there are no clubs on their doorsteps, unfortunately google wont bring them any closer.

LuckyLloyd

bohsman wrote: »

One of the main reasons given for people not following the league is that there are no clubs on their doorsteps, unfortunately google wont bring them any closer.

True, that excuse is bandied about a little bit.

I dunno though, losing one of two clubs that are within a half hour's drive of one another (and both inhabiting a total catchment area of 140k people) wouldn't be a bad thing from a business perspective - if full professionalism is the aim.

gimmick

SectionF wrote: »

Pragmatic decision. Two big clubs the league can ill-afford to lose.

All due respect, Drogs are not a big club. Successful recently unquestionably....big club, not at all.

SectionF

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

True, that excuse is bandied about a little bit.

I dunno though, losing one of two clubs that are within a half hour's drive of one another (and both inhabiting a total catchment area of 140k people) wouldn't be a bad thing from a business perspective - if full professionalism is the aim.

Good derby rivals.
It's not as if they're Sporting Franchise, or UCD.

bohsman

I would have thought rivalries between Dundalk and Drogheda go beyond football, theres just no way you can lump them together and claim you have a bigger catchment area.

Töpher

applehunter wrote: »

We took our 10 point deduction.

We have paid pack all arrears to players AFAIK.

What more do you want Shylock?

To have settled the arrears by November 31st 2008 as it was part of the rules, failure to adhere to would see demotion. Or so the rules went...

LuckyLloyd

SectionF wrote: »

Good derby rivals.
It's not as if they're Sporting Franchise, or UCD.

bohsman wrote: »

I would have thought rivalries between Dundalk and Drogheda go beyond football, theres just no way you can lump them together and claim you have a bigger catchment area.

Well, first of all this discussion has kicked off because it seems the powers that be will not be enforcing rules which supposedly demanded the non appearance of Drogheda in the top division for this season.

I have no problem with the fact that the two clubs represent different communities and enjoy a healthy rivalry etc, etc. HOWEVER, my point is simply that it should not be too surprising to have seen both clubs struggle in different ways over the past few years, as the numbers don't add up in terms of population when what is being attempted is the running of two professional football clubs.

djpbarry

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well, first of all this discussion has kicked off because it seems the powers that be will not be enforcing rules which supposedly demanded the non appearance of Drogheda in the top division for this season.

Where is it written that Drogs should be demoted (genuinely curious, if anyone can answer)?

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

HOWEVER, my point is simply that it should not be too surprising to have seen both clubs struggle in different ways over the past few years, as the numbers don't add up in terms of population when what is being attempted is the running of two professional football clubs.

A catchment area of 140k should be well capable of supporting two clubs.

stovelid

djpbarry wrote: »

A catchment area of 140k should be well capable of supporting two clubs.

Aye, the catchment area argument is slightly bogus - as is the too many clubs for Dublin argument - or at least the four historical clubs.

The reason that clubs shouldn't currently go professional is because of the paucity of fans in said areas.

Obviously, this sounds like splitting hairs, but when the issue is to do with a lack of fans, clubs could stop blowing money on stupid wages and try (with the F.A.I) to build up crowds /attract junior fans long-term in their community; the population argument, however, is more final and pessimistic, as in you are saying that Dublin or Louth could never support more than one club which isn't strictly true.

Some of the Dublin clubs have had very big gates in the past, even as recently as the 90's and 00s. Clearly the problem is the lack of interest in the game and not the size of the catchment area.

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Shelbourne attain PD Licence

http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=1119

Lamper.sffc

Des wrote: »

Shelbourne attain PD Licence

http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=1119

Good luck lads. All the best.

I guess this means you might keep following the league, DES;)

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Lamper.sffc wrote: »

Good luck lads. All the best.

I guess this means you might keep following the league, DES;)

What?

It doesn't mean Shels are going to be in the PD.

I'm sure your little franchise got a PD Licence too.

Fifteen clubs got them.

LeixlipRed

Fingal only got a FD licence. Minnows

djpbarry

stovelid wrote: »

Obviously, this sounds like splitting hairs, but when the issue is to do with a lack of fans, clubs could stop blowing money on stupid wages and try (with the F.A.I) to build up crowds /attract junior fans long-term in their community; the population argument, however, is more final and pessimistic, as in you are saying that Dublin or Louth could never support more than one club which isn't strictly true.

Absolutely; agree 100%. I've argued in the past that a city the size of Dublin could quite easily support a number of clubs. I presented some figures on a similar subject here, for the purpose of comparison.

Lamper.sffc

Des wrote: »

What?

It doesn't mean Shels are going to be in the PD.

I'm sure your little franchise got a PD Licence too.

Fifteen clubs got them.

Just realising that now. Excuse the newbie.:o

djpbarry

The full list:

List of FAI Club Licenses:

Premier
Bohemians
Bray Wanderers
Cork City
Derry City
Drogheda United
Dundalk
Finn Harps
Galway United
Monaghan United
Shamrock Rovers
Shelbourne
Sligo Rovers
St Patrick’s Athletic
UCD
Waterford United

First
Athlone Town
Kildare County
Limerick FC
Longford Town
Mervue United
Sporting Fingal
Wexford Youths

Newstalk ‘A’ Championship
Cobh Ramblers
Salthill Devon
Tullamore Town

http://www.eleven-a-side.com/loi/news.asp?n=35873

Gavin "shels"

Töpher wrote: »

To have settled the arrears by November 31st 2008 as it was part of the rules, failure to adhere to would see demotion. Or so the rules went...

They actually changed it to the 31st January this year, hence why the licenses and fixtures are so late this year.;)

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lol, why did torpedo only get a FD Licence?

LizardKing

http://www.shelbournefc.ie/news.php?id=1119


Does this mean they are in the premier in 2009 ????

More here
http://www.eircomloi.ie/news-centre/media-centre/february-2009/news/index.xml

Quint

No. It means the ground is of the standard to play in the premier division. IT's just really the name of the licence

stovelid

One look at all the lists should be enough to convince everybody that the name of your license has zero bearing on the actual league you should be playing in.

LizardKing

Ok thanks ... just saw 15 teams getting the premier licence and thought they were resizing the league or something ... Shels will have to battle it out in the first again this year so ... on a side note how come drogheda are not being regulated based on the financial troubles they got into ... not too dissimilar to what happened to shels who were demoted ...

Töpher

Des wrote: »

lol, why did torpedo only get a FD Licence?

Maybe they only applied for that one?

Lamper.sffc

Des wrote: »

lol, why did torpedo only get a FD Licence?

I dont know, you try and build bridges but i guess shelscrashnburn dont have it in their hearts:(

CiaranC

Ger O Brien gone to Derry

Gavin "shels"

CiaranC wrote: »

Ger O Brien gone to Derry

That's a surprise, didn't he play near 100 matches for Rovers over a couple of seasons?

CiaranC

Gavin shels wrote: »

That's a surprise, didn't he play near 100 matches for Rovers over a couple of seasons?

Yeah, hes a big loss for us. Word is that we have 2 or more trialists from Scotland atm who play at the back.

thusspakeblixa

So does this mean that Kildare and Cobh swap divisions?

applehunter

George O'Callaghan to Dundalk?:eek:

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applehunter wrote: »

George O'Callaghan to Dundalk?:eek:

Is this true?

lol

A spoofer signs a spoofer.

20 Times 20 Times

We signed Liam burns as well not a bad team at all.

doncarlos

O'Donnell also very close to signing for Dundalk. We could have a very strong team this year. Should avoid the play-offs and maybe with a bit of luck push on.

SectionF

Dundalk with a manager and team that replicates Bohs 2007, the dullest year in Dalymount recent history (though O'Donnell is nice to watch and we should have kept him). Enjoy!

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SectionF wrote: »

Dundalk with a manager and team that replicates Bohs 2008, the dullest year in Dalymount recent history. Enjoy!

Bohs won the league in 2008.

Dull?

SectionF

Thanks Des. 2007. See... I'm glad you stuck around!