BNP members list leaked

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Blisterman wrote: »

Uh oh, there's two people on the list with the same name as me. Hope noone thinks that's me.

And before anyone says it, it really isn't me.

Is your surname Hitler?

therecklessone

Morlar wrote: »

If you think it is ok to publish that then you should also agree with publishing the same level of detail in the equivalent list of people who support the more extreme parties on the left. I would not agree with publishing either list to be honest.

The far right have been publishing the names and addresses of individuals within the leftist community for years, with the intention of bringing harassment or worse upon them.

Two wrongs don't make a right.

But karmas a bitch...:D

therecklessone

Sean_K wrote: »

Apparently there's kids listed on it, it's a bit of an ethical minefield IMO.

There's kids listed on it because members can buy a family membership for £40.

KnifeWRENCH

therecklessone wrote: »

There's kids listed on it because members can buy a family membership for £40.

Family membership sounds so wrong - signing your kids up to a political party they may grow to resent (and since it's BNP I imagine many would resent it.)

Don't mind the names so much but I don't think it's right that all their contact details be published, because they could receive death threats, harassment etc.

Rob_l

dresden8 wrote: »

Irish Civil Servants can't be members of a political party. Not sure of police/army.

Eh, they are allowed to be members of a political party they are required to step down if they run for the council elections or the general elections, and I think should they fail to be elected they have the right to be reinstated to their position.

Ponster

Mossy Monk wrote: »

What's the problem. Are these people only wanting to support the BNP in secrecy?

"political affiliation" is one of the "protected data groups" under the UK Data Protection Act.

luckylucky

Kold wrote: »

Um. Why are Irish people in the BNP?

Because there's no bigger idiot than an Irish idiot.

Marcus.Aurelius

eoin_s wrote: »

Don't know what's funnier - the human rights or the data protection part.

Damn beaten to it :pac:

Mossy Monk

Ponster wrote: »

"political affiliation" is one of the "protected data groups" under the UK Data Protection Act.

I understand that. If someone is wanting to support a political party then why the shame in others finding out?

robtri

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I understand that. If someone is wanting to support a political party then why the shame in others finding out?

its not the shame, its the discrimination that they will face that is the issue. Rightly or Worngly( and I believe wrongly) they support the BNP,
but they know that by supporting this polictical party that they will be discriminated against, loose jobs, become outcasts to a degree in society...all because of their beliefs.
like it or not they have the right to think this way and support the BNP and the right to support a political party without fear of reprisals.

CSC

Quite surprising to see Irish people in the BNP. The party is generally known for being quite anti-Irish.

Dragan

LoL, they have the same right to Privacy as everyone else.

If a list was posted of personal information for ANY Group and you name, phone number etc was on it you would be pissed off.

Gotta love AH and it's selective outrage.

Biggins

Might be brits living over here that are on the list!

I see they moved the list from one location on the web however its still available through https://secure.wikileaks.org

getz

the bnp is not anti/irish its anti everyone else[and its racist in lots of ways]-just the same as the british islamic party --both are full of dangerous people

Morlar

CSC wrote: »

Quite surprising to see Irish people in the BNP. The party is generally known for being quite anti-Irish.

Thats a bit of a cliche really and not based on the facts imo. During the last london mayor campaign the bnp literature had one of those american style adverts 'I am voting bnp because . . . '. One I remember seeing had an Irish woman on the front page saying 'I am Irish living in england and I am voting for the bnp because of . .. . ' They have a large demographic of (white christian) Irish people in living in england who are not fond of super-mosques and such they would be stupid not to reach out to them considering the numbers.

Biggins

As there is a number of teachers/professors reported to be on it, it brings up an interesting possibility.

Supposing you were some foreign national doing your studying and exams in England and one of these guys were correcting your papers, etc.
Knowing that you passing the exam might lead to you being allowed to stay in the country with your new qualifications, would some of the BNP members be tempted to mark some down or fail them in order to stop you becoming a resident?

In practicality (I attended University of Manchester Institute Science and Technology - U.M.I.S.T) given the wide range of cultures from afar, I can see some students now will be asking for all their tests to be rechecked for any possible unfair marking!

I don't think this story will end here...

Meanwhile the sackings have begun: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1087101/Radio-DJ-fired-BNP-teachers-police-lawyers-exposed-membership-list-leak.html

And the police are checking on their staff: http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/Politics/BNP-Party-Members-List-Includes-Police-British-National-Party-Leader-Nick-Griffin-Lodges-Complaint/Article/200811315154705?lpos=Politics_Carousel_Region_1&lid=ARTICLE_15154705_BNP_Party_Members_List_Includes_Police%3A_British_National_Party_Leader_Nick_Griffin_Lodges_Complaint

luckylucky

Morlar wrote: »

Thats a bit of a cliche really and not based on the facts imo. During the last london mayor campaign the bnp literature had one of those american style adverts 'I am voting bnp because . . . '. One I remember seeing had an Irish woman on the front page saying 'I am Irish living in england and I am voting for the bnp because of . .. . ' They have a large demographic of (white christian) Irish people in living in england who are not fond of super-mosques and such they would be stupid not to reach out to them considering the numbers.

Well.... it's really like a degrees of hate/dislike thing.... The BNP/National front are just more anti-Muslim than anything. The National Front in particular in the past were quite Anti-Irish. If the Muslims weren't around you can be damn sure Blacks/Non Muslim Asians/ Irish and Eastern Europeans would move further back up the BNP/National front's hate scale.

Also when I lived in Manchester I saw a BNP leaflet that made me lol.

It said something like "We're not racist, we just want's best for the native people of the UK, in particular the English"

Well for me that statement really showed up how ignorant they were.

Canis Lupus

I've got a racist living 2 seconds away from me

Morlar

luckylucky wrote: »

Well.... it's really like a degrees of hate/dislike thing....

I disagree, a lot of Irish in england would be sympathetic to the bnp's approach to . . .. say for example muslim immigration/ghettoisation - more so considering the current climate.

In the 1970's the national front were pro uvf and anti catholic/Irish, likewise in the 1980's combat 18 were in the same boat. The bnp are the inheritor of the 'national front' legacy but are more streamlined & media savvy. They have moved with the times to the point where they do not (officially) dislike Irish in britain. I agree though that if the UK had its entire muslim population deported their sights would soon turn to any non uk born outsiders including the large numbers of Irish descent. Thats not exactly going to happen anytime soon though so for the time being they will seek to expand their support base within Irish communities.

Rob_l

luckylucky wrote: »

It said something like "We're not racist, we just want's best for the native people of the UK, in particular the English"

Well this statement has some grounding there is fact more money from the UK Tax revenues paid out per head of capita in Scotland and wales than in England, and the BNP's main party base would be English so they are appealing to that, english making up the majority of the UK.

Scotland in particular gets a very good deal out of being in the UK.

getz

yes until last year i lived in a village close to burnley-the local counciler was BNP-nobody knew who he was, leaflets kept dropping through my door and everyone would not admit to voting for her -mind you the rest of the council was rubbish both the asian councilers was put in prison for rigging the vote -the labour and liberal would not not work together and the conservative party dident have a seat

Dodge

Some interesting job titles in there

high profile sportsman
professional golfer

ShooterSF

Wow. Id be shocked if the DJ doesnt sue for a nice few quid. Surely discrimination on political beliefs is illegal, like discriminating on religious beliefs (as bitter sweet as that is...).

wes

They certainly have every right to there privacy. They shouldn't be exposed like this, but this is kind of thing sadly happens in this day and age, where information gets out all the time. Organizations, need to make sure that there security policies are rock solid to prevent this kind of thing.

However, it does show there complete hypocrisy, by trying to use the Human Rights act, that they would like to get rid.

Also, Far Right groups have been doing this kind of thing for years, with the likes of red watch. So there hardly innocent, when it come to this sort of thing themselves.

Bottle_of_Smoke

wes wrote: »

Also, Far Right groups have been doing this kind of thing for years, with the likes of red watch. So there hardly innocent, when it come to this sort of thing themselves.

Whoa whoa whoa. You can't blame members one group for actions of a group with similar ideals/beliefs. I'd say the vast majority of those on the list ARE innocent when it comews to this sort of thing. Fair enough about what you said regarding the human rights act.

Anyway I have sympathy. The BNP aren't what they used to be and some people disagree with multiculturalism, I don't but I can understand their point of view.

So it's not surprising at all that there are Irish on it. BNP is open to anyone who's white

MIN2511

I really don't understand, whats with this BNP thing.... Like do we really care if they are members of this group?

todolist

It's wrong to publish a membership list like this.Doesn't matter what organization it is.Peoples names and addresses for everyone to see.This is a form of bullying.totally wrong.

ejmaztec

I expect MI5 etc had a hand in it somewhere. I think the run of the mill UK politicians can see that the BNP is becoming more and popular with people who are too thick to understand the full meaning of fascism.

wes

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Whoa whoa whoa. You can't blame members one group for actions of a group with similar ideals/beliefs. I'd say the vast majority of those on the list ARE innocent when it comews to this sort of thing. Fair enough about what you said regarding the human rights act.

It wasn't my intent to blame them, just showing that right wing groups are guilty of this sort of thing themselves. I think its a valid point, as the BNP seem to blaming Labour or left wing groups on this. Also, the fact that the BNP has never spoken out against this, when its people they hate who are the victims.

I agree that a lot of these people are innocent (except of being facists) and are entitled to there privacy. Hopefully who ever done this, will be caught.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Anyway I have sympathy. The BNP aren't what they used to be and some people disagree with multiculturalism, I don't but I can understand their point of view.

There facists plain and simple. They have just been more careful about talking about there more extreme beliefs. I have no sympathy for there views at all and they deserve none. Don't get me wrong, they are entitled to there views, but I will call there views exactly what they are, which is facist.

buckieburd

No sympathy for them at all. They constantly try to incite racial hatred. There was a case at home in Glasgow where two Asian guys killed a white boy, and they came up and campained in the area even though the dead boys mothers publicly said she didn't want them to do it, that it would only cause more hassle and fighting. why not publish their details, if they are going to be racist (and that is what they are) then they should have to balls to do it publicly instead of hiding away.....

/ rant over!!!

luckylucky

Morlar wrote: »

I disagree, a lot of Irish in england would be sympathetic to the bnp's approach to . . .. say for example muslim immigration/ghettoisation - more so considering the current climate.

In the 1970's the national front were pro uvf and anti catholic/Irish, likewise in the 1980's combat 18 were in the same boat. The bnp are the inheritor of the 'national front' legacy but are more streamlined & media savvy. They have moved with the times to the point where they do not (officially) dislike Irish in britain. I agree though that if the UK had its entire muslim population deported their sights would soon turn to any non uk born outsiders including the large numbers of Irish descent. Thats not exactly going to happen anytime soon though so for the time being they will seek to expand their support base within Irish communities.

so how exactly are you disagreeing with me

Also in regards to some Irish support for the BNP - I didn't say there wasn't any as I said earlier there's no fool quite like an Irish fool.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

BNP is open to anyone who's white

A former Muslim colleague of mine used to either ring up one of the local officers(or whatevr term you'd give) the BNP or The National Front (one of those 2 anyway) to wind him up... he used say that he was a Hindu but he hated Muslims and could he sign up. He was told yeah no problem, that they were just Anti-Muslim.

ejmaztec wrote: »

I expect MI5 etc had a hand in it somewhere. I think the run of the mill UK politicians can see that the BNP is becoming more and popular with people who are too thick to understand the full meaning of fascism.

Yip, sounds about right. Smart move imo.

buckieburd wrote: »

No sympathy for them at all. They constantly try to incite racial hatred. There was a case at home in Glasgow where two Asian guys killed a white boy, and they came up and campained in the area even though the dead boys mothers publicly said she didn't want them to do it, that it would only cause more hassle and fighting. why not publish their details, if they are going to be racist (and that is what they are) then they should have to balls to do it publicly instead of hiding away.....

/ rant over!!!

Yeah fcuk em.

todolist wrote: »

It's wrong to publish a membership list like this.Doesn't matter what organization it is.Peoples names and addresses for everyone to see.This is a form of bullying.totally wrong.

Eh the world isn't full of fluffy clouds and cuddly teddy bears.

Dodge

ejmaztec wrote: »

I think the run of the mill UK politicians can see that the BNP is becoming more and popular with people who are too thick to understand the full meaning of fascism.

Recent election results have been disastrous for them though.

r3nu4l

marcsignal wrote: »

thats what i mean, we should be careful what's said, some random irish bloke living in the uk could take the drunken flak for it outside a pub some night by some BNP supporter.

Indeed

Morlar wrote: »

Thats a bit of a cliche really and not based on the facts imo. During the last london mayor campaign the bnp literature had one of those american style adverts 'I am voting bnp because . . . '. One I remember seeing had an Irish woman on the front page saying 'I am Irish living in england and I am voting for the bnp because of . .. . ' They have a large demographic of (white christian) Irish people in living in england who are not fond of super-mosques and such they would be stupid not to reach out to them considering the numbers.

My personal experience of the BNP says different.

Morlar wrote: »

I disagree, a lot of Irish in england would be sympathetic to the bnp's approach to . . .. say for example muslim immigration/ghettoisation - more so considering the current climate.

... They have moved with the times to the point where they do not (officially) dislike Irish in britain. I agree though that if the UK had its entire muslim population deported their sights would soon turn to any non uk born outsiders including the large numbers of Irish descent. Thats not exactly going to happen anytime soon though so for the time being they will seek to expand their support base within Irish communities.

You can disagree as much as you like Morlar, I've personally been told to '**** off home Paddy' by a BNP giy handing out leaflets in Cambridge. As he thrust a leaflet towards me I smiled and said "No thanks, I'm Irish and don't support your party policies".

When I complained to a BNP official in the town he told me that "if you don't like the opinion of a British man then you shouldn't expect to stay in his country". I didn't take it any further. :rolleyes:

I certainly don't support the BNP and never will. Any Irish person that does is deluded. As you say though, they will seek to expand their base within the 'foreign white' communities and given the stupidity of some, will have further success.

Thankfully, there are no Cambridge city residents on that list, lots from smaller Cambridgeshire towns and villages but none from the City

luckylucky

wes wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, they are entitled to there views.

A bit cliched imo, the problem is that every moron has got a point of view, the world would be a better place if some people didn't have one, then there would have been no Hitler, no Mussolini, no BNP, no George Dubya Bush etc

Dodge

There's two people with the title Sir. Still looking for the Scottish footballers

damonjewel

r3nu4l wrote: »

Any Irish person that does is deluded.

Totally agree, these guys are truly awful, we are considered below them in their scheme of things. Irish people joining the BNP to me has the same ring to it as Turkeys voting for Christmas.

Eoin

luckylucky wrote: »

A bit cliched imo, the problem is that every moron has got a point of view, the world would be a better place if some people didn't have one, then there would have been no Hitler, no Mussolini, no BNP, no George Dubya Bush etc

No boards.ie either, so that might help balance it out.

It's not right that their personal details were released, but I won't lose any sleep over it - tough titties for them.

Biggins

If any organisation is a decent and honourable one, one that your a member of, you should have no worries about being a member of it and it being known that you are a member of it.

Its ONLY the organisations that are looked at with 99% distain which keep their membership secret.
If the BNP was so honourable and full of good morals and fair intentions to all, why were its supporters hiding their faces and names!
This is an organisation that in America would be called a branch of the Ku Klux Klan.
Another shower of scumbags and cowards that hide their faces.

I have no sympathy for the BNP either.

While living in Manchester and Bolton. I ran into these thugs often.
They were VERY anti-Irish and I personally witnessed a number of beatings, Irish workers and Irish students.

Hope they burn in hell.

javaboy

Mossy Monk wrote: »

I understand that. If someone is wanting to support a political party then why the shame in others finding out?

+1. They should have published the names, addresses, phone numbers and children's names of all the members of opposition parties in Mugabe's Zimbabwe, Hitler's Germany, Stalin's Russia etc.

Sure what harm could it possibly do? :rolleyes:


People, even the most moronic and ignorant people, should have an expectation of privacy when joining a political party. The people who leaked this list could have at least taken out the people who have clearly withdrawn and the names of children. What benefit does publishing their kids names have?

Tbh whoever leaked this is as bad as the BNP themselves.

Eoin

Biggins wrote: »

If any organisation is a decent and honourable one, one that your a member of, you should have no worries about being a member of it and it being known that you are a member of it.

I disagree, I think you should be able to support any political party without it being public knowledge - just like when you vote. I also think this should extend to members of the BNP. But as I said, tough titties for them.

Manchestomato

Morlar wrote: »

I disagree, a lot of Irish in england would be sympathetic to the bnp's approach to . . .. say for example muslim immigration/ghettoisation - more so considering the current climate.

In the 1970's the national front were pro uvf and anti catholic/Irish, likewise in the 1980's combat 18 were in the same boat. The bnp are the inheritor of the 'national front' legacy but are more streamlined & media savvy. They have moved with the times to the point where they do not (officially) dislike Irish in britain. I agree though that if the UK had its entire muslim population deported their sights would soon turn to any non uk born outsiders including the large numbers of Irish descent. Thats not exactly going to happen anytime soon though so for the time being they will seek to expand their support base within Irish communities.

Just a caveat for the attention of the paki-hating anglophile Irish immigrants of England's green and pleasant land:
BNP in case you didn't notice stands for BRITISH National Party, as in BRITISH isles. (It is not the GBNP as in Great Britain National Party, for example). The BNP assumes ownership of the whole of the British Isles, which includes the whole of the island of Ireland, under one sovereignty loyal to HM Queen. The master race is white anglo-saxon. Their aim is therefore to reconquer the so called Irish Republic, home of one of their heroes, the Duke of Wellington of County Meath, and reclaim it for lebensraum. The moribund gaelic language will be completely extinguished throughout the British Isles and the long established halal slaughterhouse near Ballaghaderreen will close down due to the downturn in business.

dsmythy

Biggins wrote: »

If any organisation is a decent and honourable one, one that your a member of, you should have no worries about being a member of it and it being known that you are a member of it.

Its ONLY the organisations that are looked at with 99% distain which keep their membership secret.
If the BNP was so honourable and full of good morals and fair intentions to all, why were its supporters hiding their faces and names!
This is an organisation that in America would be called a branch of the Ku Klux Klan.
Another shower of scumbags and cowards that hide their faces.

I have no sympathy for the BNP either.

While living in Manchester and Bolton. I ran into these thugs often.
They were VERY anti-Irish and I personally witnessed a number of beatings, Irish workers and Irish students.

Hope they burn in hell.

Again these details being in the open will lead to intimidation and violence towards them. Also it seems to be acceptable that being fired for being a member is ok. Pretty much the only partially known political party where this can be said to be true in Britain i'd say.

Many people who are members have probably done no activism for them either. Most i'd say, just like in any political party, are members and that's it.

javaboy

Biggins wrote: »

If any organisation is a decent and honourable one, one that your a member of, you should have no worries about being a member of it and it being known that you are a member of it.

As a fully paid up subscriber of Boards.ie, can you please post your full name, address, phone number, job title and the names of any dependents you have?

Thanks.

Biggins

If you support the organisation, you support their actions.
Anyone that is a member of it and claims to know nothing of the violence that is caused by them, is either completely stupid and/or a liar.

Morlar

Manchestomato wrote: »

The BNP assumes ownership of the whole of the British Isles, which includes the whole of the island of Ireland, under one sovereignty loyal to HM Queen. The master race is white anglo-saxon. Their aim is therefore to reconquer the so called Irish Republic,

Sorry but this is fantasy drivel.

On the subject of publishing lists - would those in favour of this one being published also be in favour of publishing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of all supporters of say . . . . 'Jews for Israel' (if such a group exsists) ? Or - 'RAR' or somesuch ?

Publishing the names and addresses is dangerous given the amount of 'well intentioned' goons on both the far left and far right. In the end this is a form of mcarthyism in much the same way that political correctness is effectively the new fascism.

Biggins

Its quite simple at the end of the day and has been commented on for some time...

"Where secrecy or mystery begins, vice or roguery is not far off."
Samuel Johnson.

"To keep your secret is wisdom; but to expect others to keep it is folly."
Seneca (Lucius Annaeus Seneca).

ShooterSF

dsmythy wrote: »

Again these details being in the open will lead to intimidation and violence towards them. Also it seems to be acceptable that being fired for being a member is ok. Pretty much the only partially known political party where this can be said to be true in Britain i'd say.

Many people who are members have probably done no activism for them either. Most i'd say, just like in any political party, are members and that's it.

True. I think people are forgetting that not every member of the party is probably a violent thug, some may just dislike multi culturalism and its one of the few parties I can think of in the UK that would be of similar mind. Im sure there's areas or people in the polital party you support that you dont like but they're the nearest match to your ideals.

At first I agreed that people shouldnt be ashamed of the membership, if that was their beliefs, but then I realised what others had said that people, who are so hypocritical to judge people on their OWN beliefs, would threaten them and even fire them because of THEIR beliefs.

javaboy

Biggins wrote: »

If you support the organisation, you support their actions.
Anyone that is a member of it and claims to know nothing of the violence that is caused by them, is either completely stupid and/or a liar.

You can support the organisation but be naive and clueless about their actions. I'd say the pitch they put to people can be quite varied depending on the audience.
Let's say some poor guy loses his job to outsourcing or lower paid immigrant workers. The local BNP rep comes along at just the right moment and tells him everything he wants to hear e.g.

• BNP will protect British jobs.
• BNP will fine British companies for taking British jobs abroad.
• BNP will tighten immigration controls.

None of that sounds too far right. They don't come across in that instance as racist or overly xenophobic, more protectionist than anything else. It's quite possible that guy who lost his job will sign up. He's not a racist himself. It just sounds like the BNP wouldn't have let him lose his job.

Does that guy deserve to have his name, address, phone number and family members' names published? The list isn't even current ffs. Some of those people aren't even members any more.

cornbb

Manchestomato wrote: »

Just a caveat for the attention of the paki-hating anglophile Irish immigrants of England's green and pleasant land:
BNP in case you didn't notice stands for BRITISH National Party, as in BRITISH isles. (It is not the GBNP as in Great Britain National Party, for example). The BNP assumes ownership of the whole of the British Isles, which includes the whole of the island of Ireland, under one sovereignty loyal to HM Queen. The master race is white anglo-saxon. Their aim is therefore to reconquer the so called Irish Republic, home of one of their heroes, the Duke of Wellington of County Meath, and reclaim it for lebensraum. The moribund gaelic language will be completely extinguished throughout the British Isles and the long established halal slaughterhouse near Ballaghaderreen will close down due to the downturn in business.

Yeah. Good luck to them. Luckily their claim is about as valid as cornbb's claim over England's "green and pleasant land", or Queen Liz's claim to title of "Sexiest Monarch".

damonjewel

Morlar wrote: »

Sorry but this is fantasy drivel.

On the subject of publishing lists - would those in favour of this one being published also be in favour of publishing the names, addresses, phone numbers and email addresses of all supporters of say . . . . 'Jews for Israel' (if such a group exsists) ? Or - 'RAR' or somesuch ?

Publishing the names and addresses is dangerous given the amount of 'well intentioned' goons on both the far left and far right. In the end this is a form of mcarthyism in much the same way that political correctness is effectively the new fascism.

I dont think the lists should have been published, however in this day and age if you wish to join any organization that keeps your details secret you must be prepared for the fact that leaks like this could happen

As for reconquering Ireland, I'd agree that its not on their agenda. However I would guess that they would have strong links with Unionist/Loyalist associations, and from living in England my experience is that they generally despise the Catholic irish diaspora living in Britain.