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what does the student union do

  • 18-11-2008 10:45pm
    #1
    djspringer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10 ✭


    i have a very negative view of "our" student union , however i am curious to hear others opinions of there usefulness as i don't have all the facts . and do you think they make CIT a better place


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  • #2
    towel401
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭towel401


    lets see..

    they sell cheap phone credit in their little office
    spy on people while they're playing pool using the little black cameras
    run a few protests and elections every year to let the public know they're still around
    they used to have a decent interweb forum but it got run over by a tractor


  • #3
    evil-monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    djspringer wrote: »
    i have a very negative view of "our" student union , however i am curious to hear others opinions of there usefulness as i don't have all the facts . and do you think they make CIT a better place

    the problem with our student union is that it's not taken seriously by us, the students. if we wanted a better student union, we could elect one. take the last AGM for example. 90% of the people there were first years there to support their friends who were running for the position of Project Officer. all the candidates, bar one, were an absolute joke. Their speeches were almost embarassing. However, with all of the voters being their friends, one was always going to be elected. the student union we have is the student union we deserve. though I have to say Gearoid is a good president. very realistic and pragmatic imho.


  • #4
    Paulie Walnuts
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 82 ✭✭Paulie Walnuts


    I wish the SU would do something about the administration in CIT. These secretaries seem to work about 4 hours a day (always during class time)


  • #5
    Creeping-Death
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭Creeping-Death


    towel401 wrote: »
    lets see..

    they sell cheap phone credit in their little office
    spy on people while they're playing pool using the little black cameras
    run a few protests and elections every year to let the public know they're still around
    they used to have a decent interweb forum but it got run over by a tractor

    How cheap is cheap, like e20 for e10, or a euro or two off like??


  • #6
    towel401
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭towel401


    Creeping-Death wrote: »
    How cheap is cheap, like e20 for e10, or a euro or two off like??

    19 for 20 i think


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  • #7
    Creeping-Death
    Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭Creeping-Death


    christ, why bother.....


  • #8
    evil-monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    as I said; if ye wana change summit, do. our SU is as democratic as any.


  • #9
    wpb_gog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭wpb_gog


    how many of ye have any interest in the union? ye're reps should b attending the meetings. i go to the meetings and from what i can c they are doin things. gearoid is a fairly decent president and is working fairly hard for issues in cit. da same wit adam. they're both very approachable and wud do anything to help. the problem is i say half the ppl in the coll dont really care


  • #10
    evil-monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    wpb_gog wrote: »
    how many of ye have any interest in the union? ye're reps should b attending the meetings. i go to the meetings and from what i can c they are doin things. gearoid is a fairly decent president and is working fairly hard for issues in cit. da same wit adam. they're both very approachable and wud do anything to help. the problem is i say half the ppl in the coll dont really care

    exactly. and those who do are usually, well, how should i say, children...eg: project officer election speeches

    but gearoid is very good i have to say. very level headed and realistic unlike some.


  • #11
    towel401
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,917 ✭✭✭towel401


    Creeping-Death wrote: »
    christ, why bother.....

    there is a recession going on after all


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  • #12
    wpb_gog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭wpb_gog


    ppl who actually have interest in the coll and actually want to change things should run for the elections instead of some of the ppl who have run in the past


  • #13
    evil-monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    wpb_gog wrote: »
    ppl who actually have interest in the coll and actually want to change things should run for the elections instead of some of the ppl who have run in the past

    and, at the risk of being flamed, first years should not be allowed to run.

    now before ye all have a freak out, hear me out;

    1. First years win elections because they bring along droves of friends. Students in later years can't do this because their class sizes are much smaller (especially in Science and Engineering etc) and they generally don't have the time to organize such political support in the face of assignments etc.
    2. Elections are early in the year. What can a student who has been around 2 months really know about the college?
    3. First years can be, at times, somewhat immature. Let's not forget that a lot of them aren't even 18. Proof of point: the projects officer elections this year. The only speech that wasn't embarrassing was that of the second year. An example of some of the points made by two of the first year candidates; "Vote for me and we'll have a constant party. In fact, it's my birthday next week and ye're all invited." And of course, "The way this college is run is a joke. If elected I'll sort those f*ckers up in Dublin flying everywhere in their own private jets." Or something close enough along those lines.
    4. First years don't have anywhere near the pressure of later years, and while this gives them more time, their college priorities are a lot different to later year students. When I was in first year, I had two things on my mind; and they were both drunken sex.
    5. Vote for a first year in October, and they may not even be in CIT come January. I know this could be said for all years, but a lot of students last a few months in college before they are never seen again. At least a student in a later year has proved that they are in fact in it for the long hall.
    So as I said, at the risk of being flamed, first years shouldn't be allowed to run for SU positions. Any thoughts??


  • #14
    wpb_gog
    Closed Accounts Posts: 15 ✭wpb_gog


    im sorry i dont totally agree. i mean the main elections are held in may at which point i think the ppl who are gonna stay are still there.if they run in the first place it shows they have some bit of interest. half the time there is only one candidate runnin for those positions eg projects officer only had one candidate last yr and i think it was the same for communications.

    most those positions should have to go into debate. to run u have to get 40 nominations but as well as that u should submit reasons as to why you would b good for the role. it shouldnt b a case of walkin on jus because ur in a big course. the ppl elected this yr are all from business courses and bis...so i think it should come down to debates.

    the projects officer speeches were a joke this yr but in fairness even from the beginnin it was between two candidates. one first yr candidate went up n repeated the speech from the previous candidate. the other fella jus made a joke out of it goin on bout parties and nothin he said made any sense. the other two candidates made some fairly decent speeches tho


  • #15
    evil-monkey
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,663 ✭✭✭evil-monkey


    wpb_gog wrote: »
    i mean the main elections are held in may at which point i think the ppl who are gonna stay are still there.

    This year's Project Officer elections were held when, October? Who's to say that those candidates are gona last the pace? They could all be gone by Christmas. They'd only been here a month!! That's not enough time to gauge.
    wpb_gog wrote: »
    if they run in the first place it shows they have some bit of interest.

    There's a big difference between having the interest, and having the ability.
    wpb_gog wrote: »
    it shouldnt b a case of walkin on jus because ur in a big course. the ppl elected this yr are all from business courses and bis...

    I completely agree. This is the main problem here. People in big courses can just walk in, even though they may not be the best candidate. Most of the science subjects, especially the later years, do well to have 20 students. How can they possibly compete with 1st year Business and Business admin, the former of which has 100s of students!! People vote for their friends, and don't even take debate into consideration. It's the perils of democracy i suppose.
    wpb_gog wrote: »
    the projects officer speeches were a joke this yr but in fairness even from the beginnin it was between two candidates. one first yr candidate went up n repeated the speech from the previous candidate. the other fella jus made a joke out of it goin on bout parties and nothin he said made any sense. the other two candidates made some fairly decent speeches tho

    If you ask me all of the first year speeches were an embarassment. all three of them harped on about parking; "parking in CITis a joke" tended to be their motto. Firstly; Project Officer has nothing to do with parking. Secondly; CIT has the second highest volume of student parking in the country - not what I would deem as a "joke". It just reiterates my point that first years don't really have a grasp on the real issues as they haven't been around long enough.


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