How to check pup is registered?

PurpleBerry

How can I verify that a pup is registered with the Irish Kennel Club? I went to their website but I couldn't find any registeries. Would I be able to phone them to check?

Does anyone know where I could find out any more information about registering a puppy? For example what information is registered, what are the requirements, can you change the puppys name or do you need to stick with whatever name the breeder gave them?

Thanks in advance.

Incheerocket

with the pedigree papers that will show you the dam/sire and up to 8 generations. A pedigree can only be registered with the kennel club by the breeder who will supply the information, you have to show the pedigrees of the parents with their registered pedigrees down the line. and of course you can call your new puppy whatever you want, but if you intend to show it you dog it is referred to by its pedigree name!

andreac

Firstly you wont be able to check unless you have papers and a reg number for the pup.

Secondly once the pup is registered you cannot change the name.
You cannot register the pup unless you have the papers for both the mother and father.

Contact the breeder and ask if the pup was registered. Did they not tell you when you bought it?

The info that is registered is the breed, sex, date of birth, colour, sire, dam, breeder, name of owner. Think thats it.

looserock

If you don't get the paperwork within 3 months, you probably aren't going to get em.

You could ring the ikc and ask are they being processed, what response you get I couldn't say.

PurpleBerry

Thank you for the responses. We haven't gotten the puppy yet, I wanted to ask all these questions beforehand.

So should I ask the dealer for the pup's registration number and then verify it with the IKC before agreeing to the sale? I'm probably asking stupid questions, I just want to be sure

looserock

Neesa wrote: »

Thank you for the responses. We haven't gotten the puppy yet, I wanted to ask all these questions beforehand.

So should I ask the dealer for the pup's registration number and then verify it with the IKC before agreeing to the sale? I'm probably asking stupid questions, I just want to be sure

OK you haven't got the pup yet.

Get the reg names and numbers of both parents plus the owners name or names in the case of a stud dog being used, you can confirm ownership with the ikc.

Also check if the pup has been chipped, if it hasn't been It can't be registered.
The chip number will be on the vaccination card from the vet.

Even after doing all this you still cant be 100% sure, but its most likely.

Most breeders will only chip the pups when there getting there 6 week vaccination.
This will delay the papers, probably wont come back to the breeder until the pups are 9 or ten weeks old,

Glowing

Just to throw a spanner in the works, the IKC reg is not the be all and end all - and it gives no indication of the dogs health. Also the registration is no use really unless you were planning to breed him or her. If not, then the papers are useless really.

Make sure to get the dog thoroughly checked by the vet before agreeing to purchase. I'm sure you're aware of this already, but I always think it's a good idea to make sure! Depending on the breed of the dog, there are certain genetic issues which should be tested for at the vets, problems might not make themselves known until the dog is much older, and rectifying these things can cost an absolute fortune (if possible at all!).

I think getting a health check is more important than getting the dog registered. Also make sure to see the mother and check the conditions she's living in etc ....

Beth

Just to add to Glowings post since all the other replies have the rest covered - You need papers if you are going to enter the showing world as well.

According to the IKC, pups have to be registered with microchips now as well. Get the papers when you get the puppy, otherwise they more than likely will not arrive.

Have a look at the link in my signature for other tips when buying a pup. It covers contracts, puppy packs, what research you should be doing and all that kind of stuff.

PurpleBerry

Thanks again, and for the link, Beth. I have been researching the Registered Vs Unregistered debate.

I definately will be getting a vet to check the puppy first. I want to be able to look at the puppy and not buy it that day. I could be wrong but I feel that the more the breeder pushes for a quick sale, the more worried I'd be.

Beth

No you''re not wrong at all - if there is a rush put on you, you're better off walking away. Buying a puppy isnt something to be pressured into because its "only available today". Its a 10-18 year committment taking a puppy on and people need time to evaluate, and then consider if the puppy they saw is the one for them. Its a sales tactic just like any other, to try get you to make a fast decision. As the saying goes "buy in haste, repent at leisure"

Registered v's unregistered isnt really a big deal (unless 1: you're going to breed from your own puppy eventually, or 2: show the dog in the ring,) once the puppies have been health checked, the parents having had the relevent tests for their breeds, and are clean and looked after, begun their socialisation, etc.

The IKC code of ethics states:

I shall not mate from any bitch kept by me (a) under one year of age, (b) or over eight years of age, (c) for not more than six litters, (d) or dogs over the age of twelve years. Permission must be sought and granted by the Irish Kennel Club to exceed these provisions.

and will register no more than one litter per bitch per year as far as I rememeber. Sometimes an accidental mating will occur since most bitches would go into heat twice a year. Instead of aborting that litter, some of the breeders might let it go to full term and then not register that litter. If they come from health tested parents and it was a genuine accidental litter, along with you not wanting to go into showing or breeding, then in that case I wouldnt care less about getting papers.

Unregistered doesn't necessarily mean badly bred
but!
Registered doesn't necessarily mean best bred either.

There is also the possibility of coming across a (hobby) breeder that WILL health test their breeding pair, and do everything right, but has no interest in the showing world and wont register their litters either. So the IKC reg is not a stamp of approval at all. It just means that the parents of the litter had been registered with the IKC.

But - not every breeder is honest, not every breeder runs tests for known problems in their own breeds...

So it really is a case of using your own judgement after doing as much research as you can.

Incheerocket

Beth wrote: »

Unregistered doesn't necessarily mean badly bred
but!
Registered doesn't necessarily mean best bred either.


Absolutely right,

looserock

Registered dogs v Un registered

With registered pups you can check their pedigree, see if their line bred or otherwise, which ever you prefer,

Un reg they pup could be from a brother sister or father daughter mating.

If you were going down the un reg road probably better off getting a cross breed, but then you wouldn't know what sort of temperament you're likely to get.

luckat

Whatever you do, make sure to meet the pup with its mother.

Do not accept any excuses on this. There are a lot of puppy mills out there.

If you see a dog that's clearly a family dog, used to its space, not anxious, with her pups around her and the family knowing one pup from another, and they're in the sitting room sprawling around the sofa where the family are sprawling, you're going to have a happy pet.

If, like a friend of mine, you insist on seeing the dog with its mother, then the seller initially agrees, but later says "Oh, sorry, couldn't be managed, I'll just meet you at the petrol station and hand over the pup", you are 90% likely - as happened to her - to get a pup that has never been socialised, that is anxious, neurotic, virtually untrainable, unable to get along with other dogs or with humans, and a sheer misery to have as your pet.

looserock

luckat wrote: »

Whatever you do, make sure to meet the pup with its mother.

Do not accept any excuses on this. There are a lot of puppy mills out there.

If you see a dog that's clearly a family dog, used to its space, not anxious, with her pups around her and the family knowing one pup from another, and they're in the sitting room sprawling around the sofa where the family are sprawling, you're going to have a happy pet.

If, like a friend of mine, you insist on seeing the dog with its mother, then the seller initially agrees, but later says "Oh, sorry, couldn't be managed, I'll just meet you at the petrol station and hand over the pup", you are 90% likely - as happened to her - to get a pup that has never been socialised, that is anxious, neurotic, virtually untrainable, unable to get along with other dogs or with humans, and a sheer misery to have as your pet.

I was going to say more like 99.9% but 90 % is fair, even under the worst conditions our k9 friends can surprise.