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Are Turbos Worth It?

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  • 21-11-2008 1:17am
    #1
    -crisp-
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 73 ✭✭


    i have an Opel astra 1.4 GTC and was wondering is it worth it to get a turbo?
    is it more trouble then it is worth?


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    omb0wyn5ehpij9
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,095 ✭✭✭✭omb0wyn5ehpij9


    To have your car set up properly and safely to have a turbo on it, it really isn't worth the money


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    Gary ITR
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    -crisp- wrote: »
    i have an Opel astra 1.4 GTC and was wondering is it worth it to get a turbo?
    is it more trouble then it is worth?

    The amount of work and money needed would make this a less than viable option IMO


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    Wossack
    Registered Users Posts: 7,016 ✭✭✭Wossack


    sell it and get an opc - less hassle in the long run I'd imagine


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    L-M
    Registered Users Posts: 23,694 ✭✭✭✭L-M


    I'm no mechanic but as far as i know it's definitly more than it's worth.

    If you start uprating power it's going put more strain on every component in the car. The gearbox will the a more strain, the clutch will more than likely need to be uprated, the standard would burn out fairly quickly. Also the fact that since you will be going faster your going to need to stop faster, uprated brakes. After that you've to get an engineers report on it, and try to explain to your insurance company that you've installed a turbo. Also, depending on who your are selling it onto, you might find it hard to shift.

    And after you've considered all that, you've the cost of fitting it, and if anything goes wrong, paying through the roof to get it fixed. At the end of the day, it's a 1.4, that was it was designed to be. Buy a car with a bigger engine if needs be, will save alot of hassle.


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    -crisp-
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 73 ✭✭-crisp-


    thansk guys. i thought as much.
    i was also looking at this air filter.
    load of bulls##t or worth it you think?
    http://cgi.ebay.ie/ELECTRIC-SUPERCHARGER-TURBO-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-VXR-SRI-GSI_W0QQitemZ380083273578QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item380083273578&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318


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    SV
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    -crisp- wrote: »
    thansk guys. i thought as much.
    i was also looking at this air filter.
    load of bulls##t or worth it you think?
    http://cgi.ebay.ie/ELECTRIC-SUPERCHARGER-TURBO-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-VXR-SRI-GSI_W0QQitemZ380083273578QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item380083273578&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

    Yes it's a load of bull****.


    Get a Pipercross Viper induction Kit if you're getting anything.


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    omb0wyn5ehpij9
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    -crisp- wrote: »
    thansk guys. i thought as much.
    i was also looking at this air filter.
    load of bulls##t or worth it you think?
    http://cgi.ebay.ie/ELECTRIC-SUPERCHARGER-TURBO-VAUXHALL-ASTRA-VXR-SRI-GSI_W0QQitemZ380083273578QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM?hash=item380083273578&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

    Yeah it is a piece of crap!


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    #9
    -crisp-
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 73 ✭✭-crisp-


    what about getting a chip?


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    Gary ITR
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,801 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    -crisp- wrote: »
    what about getting a chip?

    Do yourself a favour and don't be looking for power gains on ebay, I don't mean that in a condescending way, it's just that all that ebay stuff is crap. Those chips will cause more damage to your car than good.

    The only thing you can really do for a small gain is a decent induction kit. Other than that there's not much more you can do with a 1.4 n/a engine


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    -crisp-
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 73 ✭✭-crisp-


    ok. thanks for all the help guys


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    L1011
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    A higher quality exhaust setup may also improve things minorly, but it is minor.


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    Gary ITR
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    MYOB wrote: »
    A higher quality exhaust setup may also improve things minorly, but it is minor.

    And expensively


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    L1011
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    Onkle wrote: »
    And expensively

    Oh aye. Know somehow who got a stonking 1.2bhp average (rolling road tested) out of a 300+ quid sterling Ragazzon exhaust - admittedly, he did get it fitted to a car with a 'sports exhaust' factory-spec. Biggest waste of money ever, a good service would likely get a similar improvement on a year old car


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    #15
    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,455 ✭✭✭✭unkel
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    Is anyone gonna tell the OP that if he needs more performance he'd best sell his car and buy something a bit more powerful?

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    bazz26
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    unkel wrote: »
    Is anyone gonna tell the OP that if he needs more performance he'd best sell his car and buy something a bit more powerful?

    Was going to but would probably get accused of being a smart ass.


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    L1011
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    unkel wrote: »
    Is anyone gonna tell the OP that if he needs more performance he'd best sell his car and buy something a bit more powerful?

    They did, post 4.


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    unkel
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    MYOB wrote: »
    They did, post 4.

    As in a slightly faster version of the same mediocre car to put in mildly? The world is our oyster - so many cars to choose from :D
    bazz26 wrote: »
    Was going to but would probably get accused of being a smart ass.

    You are a gentleman and you are diplomatic. But please don't let that stop you from telling it the way it is!

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    Blitzkrieger
    Registered Users Posts: 6,660 ✭✭✭Blitzkrieger


    -crisp- wrote: »
    ...1.4 ......is it worth it to get a turbo?

    No.

    Turbos generate a lot of heat and are generally installed on lower compression engines, so by the time you've uprated everthing (and I mean everything - fuel pump, rail, injectors, spark plugs, coils, ht cables, intercooler - including engine internals), you'll have spent an absolute fortune and still have relatively little power. If you are really set on modifying it, I'd probably stick to an air filter and an exhaust. If you de-cat it as well you might (I stress might) get 20hp. You'll also get a **** load more noise and attention from the cops, and maybe be unable to pass your NCT on emissions.

    In general, you'll see very little bang for buck unless you change the car for something more powerful to begin with. I wouldn't bother with anything less than a 2.0 turbo. Even then you'll be looking at big money to get a usable, reliable car that's significantly faster than spec.

    If you're stuck on a 1.4 for tax/insurance reasons, VW do a compund charged (supercharged and turbo charged) Golf that puts out 170bhp. Think it's the TSi? Otherwise I'd start going up in engine size. Not my cup of tea but the 1.8vvti Celica seems great value at 190bhp. From what I hear the handling is okay for a fwd as well.


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    galwaytt
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    unkel wrote: »
    Is anyone gonna tell the OP that if he needs more performance he'd best sell his car and buy something a bit more powerful?

    ....er, post #4 ?? [/ducks] :D

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    #21
    Wossack
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    unkel wrote: »
    As in a slightly faster version of the same mediocre car to put in mildly? The world is our oyster - so many cars to choose from :D

    OP seemed happy with every aspect of the Astra cept the power (must be to consider a 10k+ engine upgrade :pac:). The hothatch Astra seemed the logical answer

    In hindsight, I coulda said

    "Is putting a turbo in my 1.4 Astra a good idea?"
    "No, buy a vRS!"

    >.> :P


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    #22
    Marcus.Aurelius
    Registered Users Posts: 2,314 ✭✭✭Marcus.Aurelius


    unkel wrote: »
    As in a slightly faster version of the same mediocre car to put in mildly? The world is our oyster - so many cars to choose from :D

    Quoth the man with just such a more powerful car for sale :D


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    #23
    cashmni1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 629 ✭✭✭cashmni1


    House wrote: »
    Quoth the man with just such a more powerful car for sale :D

    Was wondering when someone would cop that !!

    He even changed his sig and said another poster was diplomatic !!

    Clever:cool:.


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    #24
    Zascar
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 12,778 Mod ✭✭✭✭Zascar


    Tuning cars like that is pointless. Sell it and buy a faster car.


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    peasant
    Registered Users Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    cashmni1 wrote: »
    Was wondering when someone would cop that !!

    He even changed his sig and said another poster was diplomatic !!

    Clever:cool:.

    rubbish

    unkel has had that sig for ages


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    #26
    BlackWizard
    Registered Users Posts: 3,282 ✭✭✭BlackWizard


    peasant wrote: »
    rubbish

    unkel has had that sig for ages

    pifft, total conspiracy. These Mods are always conspiring against the rabble.


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    #27
    peasant
    Registered Users Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭peasant


    just stay on topic (turbos, remember?) :D


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    #28
    S.I.R
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,837 ✭✭✭S.I.R


    -crisp- wrote: »
    i have an Opel astra 1.4 GTC and was wondering is it worth it to get a turbo?
    is it more trouble then it is worth?

    Get a bigger engine then yes ofcourse,


    Theres no replacement for displacement.


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    unkel
    Registered Users Posts: 65,455 ✭✭✭✭unkel
    Chauffe, Marcel, chauffe!


    peasant wrote: »
    unkel has had that sig for ages

    That's cause I've had my car for sale for ages :D

    Anyways, I didn't think anyone driving an Astra and wondering about turbos would be interested in a large German battleship :D

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    NiSmO
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    NiSmO
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