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Abuse from the church

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  • #52
    BrianCalgary
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭BrianCalgary


    robindch wrote: »
    Your knowledge of the history of your own religion is pitiable. Quite apart from the endless wars, crusades and other massacres that have been delivered to the world legitimized by religion, mainstream christianity hasn't even "sanctified" life by opposing abortion for very long -- abortion was permitted by the Vatican in varying degrees until the late 19th century."?
    And robin again, your inability to distinguish that which is of God and that which is of man is a real crying shame. I am extremely disappointed how far down hill you have gone recently.

    Being legitimised by a religion (denomination) or being legitimised by God.

    And since when do I accept the authority of the Vatican? I don't care whether or not the Vatican permitted abortion or not. Jesus never permitted it, nor did He permit war or child abuse.
    robindch wrote: »
    Its opposition to it has evolved relatively recently.Er, so Jesus getting himself killed isn't a "human sacrifice"?
    And you cant even distinguish between the two, very sad indeed.

    Where a demand of the human sacrifice is made by the god and the sacrifice is the life of someone else vs. the sacrifice demanded of God who sacrifices Himself.


  • #53
    ironingbored
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭ironingbored


    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    And since when do I accept the authority of the Vatican? I don't care whether or not the Vatican permitted abortion or not. Jesus never permitted it, nor did He permit war or child abuse.

    Are there specific verses in scripture pertaining to this. I am genuinely interested. Thanks


  • #54
    AtomicHorror
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,888 ✭✭✭AtomicHorror


    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    Actually Canada does allow both abortion and euthanasia as does Holland. No one has been convicted in the US for euthanasia recently and abortion is legal. I would say that Ireland is probably the only western nation that does not allow abortion. So in conclusion our western society does allow both abortion and euthanasia. Which are murder.

    Right so I count two countries allowing euthanasia. None for suicide, and as I said I concede abortion. Now, what countries allow murder as I more narrowly defined it? I'm trying to make the point that there are fundamental common elements here which all human societies seem to agree on. Murder, theft, rape; universally bad. I'm sure there are many others.
    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    Where you are coming from is very much a part of the discussion.

    If I decide to get into a debate about abortion or euthanasia, it might be relevant. We're talking about the practicality of human-defined morality. We know it's unlikely to match up to morality as defined by the bible, if that were not so there'd be no issue.
    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    My argument is that Christianity has always sanctified life and made it very important and tried to protect it. Whereas non-Christian religions advocate things like human sacrifices.

    Really? What popular, currently-extant religions advocate human sacrifices? Please point out this non-Christian bogeyman. Where are all these moral systems that contradict yours utterly?
    BrianCalgary wrote: »
    That had nothing to do with Christianity but power.

    And are you sure we cannot simply say the same thing of your "non-Christian religions"? You see my point now?

    Of course the teachings of Jesus did not cause the Crusades.


  • #55
    condra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,849 ✭✭✭condra


    Sorry to hear that story MM.


  • #56
    CDfm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    MM - sorry to hear about your Mum.

    It shouldnt be for you to try to reconcile her with the church.She is your mum and needs your support.

    I can never understand how anyone can abuse a child.There were some awful F***ers running institutions and too many who didnt have the moral courage speak out against them both Christian and atheist.

    There are people in my life that have done me wrong - I am not obsessive about it- but not as tolerant as I once was. What happened to your Mum is a question of fact.It should be dealt with like that and let the law take its course.Belief makes you stronger to tackle things.

    Your religous belief should give you courage to give your Mum your support and respect her beliefs. There is nothing wrong with having a belief that individuals within the church individually or collectively acted wrongly. Thats the reality and its that simple.


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