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22-11-2008 4:12pm#1
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I had a quick session with cedomination the other night. The guy is a masochist! I spent half a night nearly throwing the guitar out the window trying to finish Satch Boogie on hard, and he flies through it on expert. Either he has fingers made of jelly or else he's cheating.
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ShawnRaven wrote: »I had a quick session with cedomination the other night. The guy is a masochist!
Do you realise how gay that sounds?ShawnRaven wrote: »I spent half a night nearly throwing the guitar out the window trying to finish Satch Boogie on hard, and he flies through it on expert. Either he has fingers made of jelly or else he's cheating.
Wait.. was this an irl meet or online?
Yes.. he's very scary on Plastic Guitar Games.... He's 5 starred Through The Fire and Flames on GH3 also... That explains a lot.
and yes... his fingers probably are made of jelly at this stage... he should really be very careful about his fingers or he could get carpal tunnel (or arthritis) at an early age.... I'm not joking!0 -
Do you realise how gay that sounds?
Nowhere near as gay as your drummer character in Rock Band!Wait.. was this an irl meet or online?
Yes.. he's very scary on Plastic Guitar Games.... He's 5 starred Through The Fire and Flames on GH3 also... That explains a lot.
and yes... his fingers probably are made of jelly at this stage... he should really be very careful about his fingers or he could get carpal tunnel (or arthritis) at an early age.... I'm not joking!
Online. We just happened to be playing at the same time.
I'm trying to up my skill at the moment to expert in GH, but it's not going as well as i'd hoped.
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cedomination wrote: »Argh,thanks for making me all worried now!
lol.... sorry, but some people need to know to be careful about certain things. I know lots of people who've picked up carpal tunnel, rsi, or Arthritis or similar from MUSIC GAMES... only. I would hate for you to endure the same fate... cos if you get it once, you will be plagued for life. Personally, I am very careful, so that's why I have very strong fingers. (as in.. I can do 5 or 6 push ups using only my thumbs)
Anyway... to avoid it you should do the following...
* Warm up your fingers before playing. There's many ways of doing this... One way is to twirl drumsticks in your hands (which also makes you look cool).. Another way is get those metal qi-gong balls and spin them around in your hand.
* Take regular breaks... even if this means going upstairs for a poop now and again. :pac:
* Try to make sure your wrist is straight when playing... The more you bend your wrist, the more it squeezes the 'carpal tunnel' in your wrist making it thinner, and easier to break.
* Don't crack your knuckles... This weakens the crap out of your fingers. (and yes, I know the crack is only from air popping)
* Eat multivitamins. These keep your ligaments and stuff strong, so helps avoid problems like this. MSMM and Choindron are also awesome to take regularly.... people with Arthritis are told to take this.
* Try to relax your fingers while playing. If you are any good, you probably do this, but my biggest problem is that when stuff gets hard, I tend to squeeze the crap out of the guitar neck.... bad!!!
* Try to make sure your fingers are not cold when playing. Some people feel ok, but then have freezing hands. If your hands are cold, you should warm them up first by washing them in warm water or something. Muscles and tendons are more brittle when colder.
* Get a Chiropractor to look at them regularly. It's impractical to do this unless you are going to get chiro anyway, but I went and I found that I had serious strength problems with my left hand.. I only knew after she 'fixed' it.
* Sometimes you can get moisturising creams and stuff that have Vitamin C in it... Using this every now and again will help reduce the chance of getting arthritis.
* Drink Milk - Calcium is good for bones
Anyway... no matter how many precautions you take, you still may have problems, but ESPECIALLY if you are younger than 20, you should be extra careful. Arthritis cases are growing in younger people now and they attribute it to playing games all day. Tiny movements on keyboard or controllers all day.
Listen to me... I'm old!!!!0 -
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Bombleswizzum wrote: »Great post there Cully!
No probs... I always try to help..... I have 10 years of experience in the music game world now, so I have learned a thing or two (thousand). I learn from others mistakes and strengths. DDR is a hell of a lot more strenuous on the body than GH, so I had to learn such things.ShawnRaven wrote: »These kids won't listen to us oldies!
They'll shove us in a home and then overtake our scores!!
Wait... is 1976 your birthday? If so.... I can't believe I've found someone older than me who plays music games.. OMG... (although only by a few months I bet).ShawnRaven wrote: »Nowhere near as gay as your drummer character in Rock Band!
heh.. that's true.... You have to complete the Bass Impossible Challenge to earn those Y-fronts!!! Sorry, but all the stupid looking black crap with spikes and bones all look stupid. At least this one is funny
Also... I changed my character since.. He now has Orange Y-Fronts with a big orange cape....
Can I get a high 5 over here?ShawnRaven wrote: »Online. We just happened to be playing at the same time.
I'm trying to up my skill at the moment to expert in GH, but it's not going as well as i'd hoped.
Try "breakneck speed"... Takes a little getting used to, but WILL help your finger speed and read ability.
Also... just bear with it... I've played a bit over the past 2 weeks and I have really jumped up in my own level... I no longer use the solo buttons for solo's as I don't need it for most of them... that's a serious jump for me as I used to crap my pants when all that solo gunk came up with lots of stuff.
I still have a lot of improving to do... It sucks that I seem to compare my own level to people I know.... If I knew people who only played on medium, I'd think that I'm awesome on the game, but I know gits like cedomination and hentaiusagi who have both 5starred all of GH3, therefore making me feel like a complete waster :mad:
I also hate people like fedule, who I remember showing GH2 to for the first time about a year ago, then about 2 months after that, he passed virtually everything on expert... Granted he practised a lot, but I reckon I've practised 10x what he has and I'm still not even remotely close to his level.
Can you feel the love?
EDIT: F*** I NEED TO LEARN TO SHUT UP.. look at how long my last 2 posts were! :O0 -
Wait... is 1976 your birthday? If so.... I can't believe I've found someone older than me who plays music games.. OMG... (although only by a few months I bet).
Yep, 33 next week. And i take comfort in the fact that i know people older than me who play them, I know some folks into their 40s and 50s that play em too.!heh.. that's true.... You have to complete the Bass Impossible Challenge to earn those Y-fronts!!! Sorry, but all the stupid looking black crap with spikes and bones all look stupid. At least this one is funny
I nearly fell to the floor when i saw them, lol.Also... I changed my character since.. He now has Orange Y-Fronts with a big orange cape....
And thats not gay at all...but I know gits like cedomination and hentaiusagi who have both 5starred all of GH3, therefore making me feel like a complete waster :mad:
I also hate people like fedule, who I remember showing GH2 to for the first time about a year ago, then about 2 months after that, he passed virtually everything on expert... Granted he practised a lot, but I reckon I've practised 10x what he has and I'm still not even remotely close to his level.
I can't finish GHIII on hard, Raining Blood keeps getting me. Might try it again later though.0 -
ShawnRaven wrote: »Yep, 33 next week. And i take comfort in the fact that i know people older than me who play them, I know some folks into their 40s and 50s that play em too.!
Me too... but I don't know anyone older than me who can play on Expert! (up to now) I'm 32 in April... Yay I feel young again
ShawnRaven wrote: »I nearly fell to the floor when i saw them, lol.
The intended effect.... They are awesome. I just wish I could get a penis shaped guitar... That would complete the "look".ShawnRaven wrote: »And thats not gay at all...
I didn't say it wasn't gay lookin.. although it is less gay than the pink.ShawnRaven wrote: »I can't finish GHIII on hard, Raining Blood keeps getting me. Might try it again later though.
I think I completed GHIII on hard, but that would have been a long time ago... I must boot it up again and make sure... I'll probably find that I can't get half way in the list now.. lol.
Try Visions on Hard on RB2... WTF is up with that... it's harder than most Expert songs
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Me too... but I don't know anyone older than me who can play on Expert! (up to now) I'm 32 in April... Yay I feel young again
I can't do the GH series on Expert, working my way through RB2 on Expert though.I think I completed GHIII on hard, but that would have been a long time ago... I must boot it up again and make sure... I'll probably find that I can't get half way in the list now.. lol.
Well i aced Slayer, Metallica and Maiden last night on GHIII but Lou gave me a sound trashing. So I went back and finished GH2 on hard, which was easy by comparison. Then came back this morning to GHIII and Handed Lou his ass!
I have now finished every GH game for the 360 on hard. I'm proud of that. I'll probably tackle expert in the next month or so. 0 -
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Twilightning wrote: »I don't know where you're getting that from. I know if a game's interface looks crap to me I'm not really gonna have much fun playing it. I don't think many casual gamers would spend the guts of €200 getting World Tour and all of the instruments that come with it either, so we can safely assume for the sake of argument that there's more avid Guitar Hero fans than there are casual gamers. What about their opinion?
Whats so bad about it? To me, RB's interface is as plain as it comes. It almost looks like frets on fire. And i think you'll find not everyone spend that amount on GHWT, especially if they bought RB or the previous GH games first and had a stack of controllers already.I wouldn't particularly agree with that. A fair portion of the song list is identical to that of Rock Band 2. That and I don't think fair to say Rock Band 2 can only 'cater to younger audiences only'. What type of song or artist meets that criteria? Does an artist or song have to be old enough so that it 'carers to all age groups'?
A fair portion? You mean about 15 out of 65-70 songs?! A lot of the songs that were on RB2 most people who didn't listen to 90s indie onwards wouldn't have heard of in fairness.Instrumental issues play a larger part for World Tour I'm afraid. The drumset requires you to hit both cymbals to activate star power, which is not only an issue for throwing you off rhythm, but also messing up your combo since the cymbals aren't always responsive as they should be. And with vocals, you have to 'tap' the microphone hard to activate it? I'm sure that doesn't always work 100% of the time either.
I only have played the guitar parts mainly, vocals occasionally. The vocal part is fairly easy though as when you tap the mic, there's no vocals to be sung during those parts, so it's not like it interferes. As for the drums, i'll have to take your word on that as i've no co-ordination in my feet at all.What I did or didn't expect is irrelevant to this discussion. Before the game's release, I recall someone along the lines within the development team commented they could make a 'near-perfect' version of 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' by Nirvana. I'd say this more than put everyone's hopes up, and when the final release rolls around, we discover it's little better than a MIDI sequencer without the ability to add vocals. The song creator is boring, tedious and time consuming, and it was meant to be one of the features that set it apart from its competition, Rock Band 2.
Realistically, i think everyone knew it had no hope of defeating RB2. Even before it's press releases due to how GH3 paled in comparison to RB.Well is sort of does. How long's it gonna take you to get tired of playing the same setlist over and over again? You're probably gonna feel like a change sooner or later, but when you go to download new tracks, you'll find out there's nothing of interest to be found, so you stop playing. I feel lack of DLC support can adversely affect the game's replayability.
Ask a Wii or a PS2 user, you know, the ones who can't download songs? I', pretty sure that players aren't solely restricted to PS3 and 360 users.Plenty of challenging tracks on the Rock Band 2 setlist that's sure to have you fail once or twice. 'Panic Attack' by Dream Theater, 'Battery' by Metallica, 'Painkiller' by Judas Priest, 'Visions' by Abnormality, 'Souls of Black' by Testament, 'Peace Sells' by Megadeth... I could go on, and these are only the songs given to you on disc! There's 3 more Metallica tracks to download (...And Justice for All, Blackened, Ride the Lightning) that are challenging regardless of what instrument you play, not to mention a Yngwie Malmsteen pack among others.
Personally i found Love Spreads and Satch Boogie pretty challenging. I'm sure i'm not the only one.To me, World Tour has alot more weaknesses than strengths.
I'd tend to agree, I just think the reasons you listed in particular as to why, were somewhat flawed.0 -
ShawnRaven wrote: »Matter of opinion on that one i'm afraid.
Exactly!ShawnRaven wrote: »I have to say, it grew on me. the RB games, although they're my preference, i find the guitar parts too easy on them. At least GH gives me somewhat of a challenge.
Get the Yngwie Malmsteen & Metallica packs... I don't think you can say they are not challenging... We were actually seeing how bad we could get without failing yesterday in GH:WT on Guitar... It really has a wider timing window, and such a bad "rock meter" level....ShawnRaven wrote: »Also, and this is probably just me, i found RB2 bloody terrible for AV Sync issues, even after correcting them. I've NEVER had that issue with any of the GH games on the 360.
Probably just you... I didn't have any issue, but then I have a good TV. "cedomination" says he finds the RB2 synching wierd in my house, but I reckon that's because he's used to playing it on a CRT in his house I think.... Nobody else can find anything "off-synch" about it.[/QUOTE]ShawnRaven wrote: »To me, both games have their strengths and weaknesses.
Yep.. I found this too..
RB Good- DLC
- "non-linear" style of play... You can just keep playing forever. In GH:WT, once you go through the list in a linear way, you feel like it's finished when done. Sure you can always keep playing, but it's not the same.
- Vocals are done well on RB2
- Drum fills are fun and help stop songs getting to repetitious. And also a good way of activating overdrive.
RB Bad- Drum fills provide an easy way of "cheating"
- Guitar levels are generally easier than GH meaning boring for the better players.
GH:WT Good:- Countdown after unpausing
- Sustain Holds (as in - when you hold a sustain, more come along)
- New Guitar is designed a lot better. star power button ftw, and decently designed start button locations
- Bass Guitar has non note strums meaning Bass now feels different to play than Guitar... Big WIN!
- Awful "solo" timing. You can do virtually anything and it'll combo the hell out of it.
- Purple Bass Drum, and Bass Guitar notes are hard to see
- The background of the note "road" thing is sometimes too bright
- Can't change lefty flip between songs... meaning less good in a party situation
- Star Power is hard to see properly in multiplayer
- "Life" bar is tiny and absolutely horrible to see
- Activating Star Power on Drums is annoying. (and off putting)
- Vocals - lol
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