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North America to go to war?

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  • 23-11-2008 8:49am
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    macded
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    If the wrong party gets elected in the upcoming Quebec election (Dec. 8), they eventually may leave Canada.

    Will they join the US? Will they cooperate with the US? Will Canada go to war on Quebec? Will the US join in?


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    Manic Moran
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    The last time the US invaded Canada, it wasn't all that pretty for the Americans.

    Honestly, I can't see Quebec leaving the rest of Canada. At best it'll be some form of nominal independence like Scotland has from England in the UK. And since the Canadian provinces already have their own legislatures, that means little change at all.

    NTM


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    Syferus
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    macded wrote: »
    If the wrong party gets elected in the upcoming Quebec election (Dec. 8), they eventually may leave Canada.

    Will they join the US? Will they cooperate with the US? Will Canada go to war on Quebec? Will the US join in?

    Talk about mellow-dramatic.
    Support for session in Quebec is about 30% or so in the most favourable straw polls having fell sigificantly since the last session vote which was for Quebec to become a soverign nation, not a US state.
    A state government has no mandate for session simply because it's in government.


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    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    isn't Canada the only nation to have it's military reach and burn down the white house?

    legends, tbh.


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    Overheal
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    ...?

    bear in mind i slept through a lot of north american history but "?"


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    RedPlanet
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    macded wrote: »
    If the wrong party gets elected in the upcoming Quebec election (Dec. 8), they eventually may leave Canada.

    Will they join the US? Will they cooperate with the US? Will Canada go to war on Quebec? Will the US join in?
    Huh?
    If the people vote for the "wrong party"?
    What a ridiculous post.


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    RedPlanet
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    Overheal wrote: »
    ...?

    bear in mind i slept through a lot of north american history but "?"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burning_of_Washington


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    MagicMarker
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    Overheal wrote: »
    ...?

    bear in mind i slept through a lot of north american history but "?"
    More like selective hearing! ;)


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    brianthebard
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    The Quebec secession party has already been in government before, and it hasn't happened. This non issue pops up every few years but is never going to happen imo.


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    Syferus
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    It's misleading to say 'Canada burnt down the White House' because at the time it was a British colony, part of the same United Kingdom we were then part of. It was more of a continuation of hostiles between the two sides after American independence than anything else.


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    mikemac
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    Mordeth wrote: »
    isn't Canada the only nation to have it's military reach and burn down the white house?

    legends, tbh.

    British marines actually
    Edit: based in Canada at the time so we're both correct :)


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    Benedict XVI
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    brianthebard wrote: »
    The Quebec secession party has already been in government before, and it hasn't happened. This non issue pops up every few years but is never going to happen imo.

    They got close to independence in 1995, 50.6% NO to 49.4% YES, it would be interesting to see what would happen if another referendum took place in the coming years


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    Black Swan
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    Benedict XVI wrote: »
    They got close to independence in 1995, 50.6% NO to 49.4% YES, it would be interesting to see what would happen if another referendum took place in the coming years
    Where in the Canadian constitution is there the right of secession?

    "Right to secede under Canadian law. The court addressed the three questions in order. First, they stated that under the Canadian Constitution (and with Quebec as being a party to it since its inception), unilateral secession was not legal. Indeed, the Constitution of Canada does not contain a single line on the subject. Hence, no law could possibly allow for secession."

    Source: http://www.experiencefestival.com/reference_re_secession_of_quebec_-_right_to_secede_under_canadian_law

    "if Quebec attempts to secede without Canada's co-operation, it will find nothing in Canadian law - and little in international law - to support the move."

    Source: http://www.tamilnation.org/selfdetermination/countrystudies/quebec/quebec1.htm


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    Benedict XVI
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    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    Where in the Canadian constitution is there the right of secession?

    "Right to secede under Canadian law. The court addressed the three questions in order. First, they stated that under the Canadian Constitution (and with Quebec as being a party to it since its inception), unilateral secession was not legal. Indeed, the Constitution of Canada does not contain a single line on the subject. Hence, no law could possibly allow for secession."

    Source: http://www.experiencefestival.com/reference_re_secession_of_quebec_-_right_to_secede_under_canadian_law

    "if Quebec attempts to secede without Canada's co-operation, it will find nothing in Canadian law - and little in international law - to support the move."

    Source: http://www.tamilnation.org/selfdetermination/countrystudies/quebec/quebec1.htm

    I was just pointing out for the benefit of people on this thread that may not have known or remembered that Quebec had a independence referendum in 1995, I don't care what Canadian law may say about anything to be honest.

    Montreal is a great city by the way.


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    Black Swan
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    Benedict XVI wrote: »
    I was just pointing out for the benefit of people on this thread that may not have known or remembered that Quebec had a independence referendum in 1995, I don't care what Canadian law may say about anything to be honest.
    It suggests that the referendum is constitutionally moot?
    Benedict XVI wrote: »
    Montreal is a great city by the way.
    Been there...Agree!


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    Manic Moran
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    Benedict XVI wrote: »
    Montreal is a great city by the way.

    Was. They've lost the Grand Prix, now reducing the chances I'll ever go back.

    It's a bit of a shock, though, getting off the Amtrak train from New York and suddenly switching to French as the default language.

    NTM


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    Overheal
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    MagicMarker wrote: »
    More like selective hearing! ;)
    My History teacher was a MILF. That is all.


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    ChocolateSauce
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    Syferus wrote: »
    It's misleading to say 'Canada burnt down the White House' because at the time it was a British colony, part of the same United Kingdom we were then part of. It was more of a continuation of hostiles between the two sides after American independence than anything else.

    Actually, it was colony, we were an integral part of the UK. We had more rights than Canadians then and from a legal standpoint, we were the co-colonial masters. However, it was full of royalists who fled north after 1776 and was thus very loyal.

    But yeah, it was a British/Canadian force which burnt the White House.

    As for Quebec, if they do become independent, I don't think they'd join the US, they're too French. I don't think they'd try to get closer to France either, they'd probably become a new nation-state with very close ties to Canada.


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    Syferus
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    ChocolateSauce wrote: »
    Actually, it was colony, we were an integral part of the UK. We had more rights than Canadians then and from a legal standpoint, we were the co-colonial masters. However, it was full of royalists who fled north after 1776 and was thus very loyal.

    But yeah, it was a British/Canadian force which burnt the White House.

    As for Quebec, if they do become independent, I don't think they'd join the US, they're too French. I don't think they'd try to get closer to France either, they'd probably become a new nation-state with very close ties to Canada.

    Which happens to be exactly what I said. We were then part of the United Kingdom, British Canada being a colony of it.


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    Black Swan
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    The title to this thread is provocative. The only "war" will be a "war" of words.


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    Manic Moran
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    Blue_Lagoon wrote: »
    The title to this thread is provocative. The only "war" will be a "war" of words.

    Damnit, and I was all looking forward to Leopards vs Abrams battles. Had the popcorn ready and all.

    NTM


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    Black Swan
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    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Damnit, and I was all looking forward to Leopards vs Abrams battles. Had the popcorn ready and all.
    Naaaa, you were refueling and taking on ammo.

    Quebec will not separate from Canada if they get a majority in a referendum, any more than northern Italy separated from Rome and the south when they got a majority in their referendum to secede in the late 1990s. And there was no war, unless you count a pasta food fight.


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    #23
    ChocolateSauce
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    Small misunderstanding here I guess...
    part of the same United Kingdom we were then part of.

    I took this to mean you either considered Ireland a colony or Canada part of the UK. No harm done.


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