Hardy found unconcious - possible Survivor Series spoilers

JP Liz

So who attacked Jeff before SS - Edge?????

Red Sleeping Beauty

I read the announcement soon after it went up.
Thought it was in poor taste, there was a pointer to it being an angle - surely they wouldn't have made such a vague report on such a potentially serious issue ? They could've worded it better and maybe mentioned that he was "assualted in the hotel he was staying in".

Paul Heman's 2cents :
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/wrestling/heyman/article1975272.ece

slam.canoe :
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Wrestling/MatMatters/2008/11/25/7536136.html

Bubs101

JP Liz wrote: »

So who attacked Jeff before SS - Edge?????

Boogeyman

CMpunked

JP Liz wrote: »

So who attacked Jeff before SS - Edge?????

That would be the obvious option.

But if it was then thats a lazy job by wwe.

Vince135792003

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

That would be the obvious option.

And the logical one with how things went at Survivor Series.

jayhaitch2

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

That would be the obvious option.

But if it was then thats a lazy job by wwe.

I don't see how its lazy.

You can't say it was obvious at the time because Edge had been nowhere near the programme. It gives instant heat to Edge coming back, as opposed to him possibly being cheered on his return. It makes Hardy look hard done by and make you pull for him even more as a the guy clawing and scratching for the championship.

I'm not having a go as such, but what do you think wouldn't have been a lazy job.

rovert

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

That would be the obvious option.

But if it was then thats a lazy job by wwe.

Huh?

Do you want it to be Hornswoggle or Rikishi?

Vince135792003 wrote: »

And the logical one with how things went at Survivor Series.

+1

Machismo Fan

rovert wrote: »

Do you want it to be... Rikishi?

I did'id it for the Edge, I did'id for the people.;) It would be stupid if it wasn't Edge.

Red Sleeping Beauty

Machismo Fan wrote: »

I did'id it for the Edge, I did'id for the people.;) It would be stupid if it wasn't Edge.

#I'm a bad man#

rovert

Id love WWE to do a spoof and have Santino revealed as The Higher Power.

Red Sleeping Beauty

rovert wrote: »

Id love WWE to do a spoof and have Santino revealed as The Higher Power.

Hehehe you can be funny when you want to be

CMpunked

jayhaitch2 wrote: »

I don't see how its lazy.

You can't say it was obvious at the time because Edge had been nowhere near the programme. It gives instant heat to Edge coming back, as opposed to him possibly being cheered on his return. It makes Hardy look hard done by and make you pull for him even more as a the guy clawing and scratching for the championship.

I'm not having a go as such, but what do you think wouldn't have been a lazy job.

no bother.
i dont mean it was a lazy job im just saying there are so many curve balls wwe could throw in that attacked jeff.

HHH because they need him heel, if it was a whole "I was sick of him always on my back so i decided to do something once and for all"

Kozlov because, well the same thing...

All im saying is that wwes booking of the last year has been somewhat lazy with a few exceptions.

There has been no suprises as such.

rovert

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

There has been no suprises as such.

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CMpunked

rovert wrote: »

........

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rovert

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

....?

Look at the thread you are posting in :rolleyes:

I mean seriously

jayhaitch2

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

no bother.
i dont mean it was a lazy job im just saying there are so many curve balls wwe could throw in that attacked jeff.

HHH because they need him heel, if it was a whole "I was sick of him always on my back so i decided to do something once and for all"

Kozlov because, well the same thing...

All im saying is that wwes booking of the last year has been somewhat lazy with a few exceptions.

There has been no suprises as such.

But surely this was one exception to that. Can you honestly say this time last week you were expecting Edge to be champion having attacked Hardy to get his place in the triple threat (I'm not sure if its actually been 100% confirmed that that is what happened...storyline wise.)

I think in this situation your complaint is totally unjustified

Furious-Red

Maybe it was Matt who attacked him , didnt he say in his promo "the worst is yet to come"

rovert

Furious-Red wrote: »

Maybe it was Matt who attacked him , didnt he say in his promo "the worst is yet to come"

Heavily, heavily doubt it the crowd loves Matt, Armageddon will be Edge/Hardy/HHH and the Rumble looks to be Edge/Hardy. Not only that there’s money in a Hardyz/E&C feud.

It is Edge lads.

orestes

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

There has been no suprises as such.

rovert wrote: »

........

If you have something to say or contribute to a thread please do so, don't just assume everyone can read your mind. Avoids confusion all round and stops people getting confrontational. This is a discussion forum, not a cryptic crossword or a mystics meeting.

rovert wrote: »

Look at the thread you are posting in :rolleyes:

I mean seriously

You could have just said that in the first place instead of being condescending.

rovert

orestes wrote: »

If you have something to say or contribute to a thread please do so, don't just assume everyone can read your mind. Avoids confusion all round and stops people getting confrontational. This is a discussion forum, not a cryptic crossword or a mystics meeting.



You could have just said that in the first place instead of being condescending.

I wasnt being condescending I was legimtately left speachless by the comment, I still am. Hence I used the international sign which is ............ I dont see the major difference between this and a smiley. The poster complained that there has been no surprises as such in a thread about the Jeff Hardy situation which also took in Edges return title win.

I think its actually a good story line and i dont think its lazy of the wwe i actually think this is one of the better things they have come up with recently .
Saying that i think the WWE have been very lazy in recent year's.

rovert

Deleted User wrote: »

I think its actually a good story line and i dont think its lazy of the wwe i actually think this is one of the better things they have come up with recently .
Saying that i think the WWE have been very lazy in recent year's.

I dont think it is lazy in the slightest frenetic is a much more accurate description.

Rjd2

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

There has been no suprises as such.

Surely you could not have predicted....
Cena winning the rumble
Orton retaining at Mania
Punk winning and cashing in MITB
Taker losing the TLC Match
Y2J winning the belt on RAW in a cage match

Bubs101

Surely Miz and Morrison winning the belts of MVP and Hardy was the biggest surprise in the past year

ShawnRaven

Bubs101 wrote: »

Surely Miz and Morrison winning the belts of MVP and Hardy was the biggest surprise in the past year

Not really, there were no other real tag teams on Smackdown at the time and they had to do something with MVP and Hardy once the final straw of Matt Hardy puking up pizza over MVP took place.

Quality television that! :rolleyes:

rovert

Bubs101 wrote: »

Surely Miz and Morrison winning the belts of MVP and Hardy was the biggest surprise in the past year

It is hardly the most memorable is it? So no way.

Rjd2

Paul Heyman is an angry man! ............................... P.S Smackdown spoiler in this as well....

WWE arrogantly displayed their inability to understand public perception with the ill-conceived 'Jeff Hardy has been hospitalised' storyline going to into the Survivor Series PPV this past Sunday.
I'm not here to judge whether the plot twist was in good taste or bad taste.

And to be blunt it would be rather hypocritical of me to point fingers about whether a storyline crossed any lines or boundaries.

Pro wrestling, or sports entertainment, is at its best when the emotions spill over and people stop thinking about ‘real v fake’ — and start caring about the next twist, turn and progression in the storyline.

The story of Hardy getting jumped in his hotel lead to Edge's return, which lead to Hardy accidentally knocking out Triple H with the chair, which in turn lead to HHH losing the WWE Title because of Hardy's actions in attempting to get revenge on his alleged assailant.

We got ourselves some interesting plot twists here!

Even better,

Edge v HHH v Hardy is a Triple Threat match for the WWE title in which any man can emerge as champion.

That's intriguing.

Lots of different scenarios can play out in this one. People are genuinely interested. Nothing wrong with that.

So, what was so wrong about the storyline?

Was it that WWE has blurred the line on its own in-house website, which is where news like Eddie Guerrero's death or the Chris Benoit family tragedy has been first broken?

Was it the eerie feeling some people had on the morning of a big show, hearing about a top star being found unconscious in a hotel, invoking memories of Eddie and even Brian Pillman?

We're back to the issue of 'taste'.

For some people, the manner in which WWE presented this storyline twist was just revolting.

The callous view taken by WWE chairman Vince McMahon and those around him, not even taking into account how brazenly insensitive this storyline may be viewed, is yet another in a long line of demonstrations by McMahon that getting people talking is paramount.

He feels that no rules apply because 'it's only entertainment' and people should embrace the soap opera-like enticements to stay tuned.

I think it was just bad business.

WWE made the conscious choice to present a scenario that called for speculation as to why the reportedly twice-suspended Hardy was found unconscious in his hotel.

Not once did WWE report the entire day 'Hardy was jumped by an unknown assailant' — that 'new information' was revealed only during the PPV broadcast.

To make matters worse, WWE acted like regional promoters in the 1970's, appearing to be almost giddy at the fact several mainstream news agencies picked up the story as legitimate.

"They're buying it as a shoot!" Whoopie!

This type of behaviour just leaves such a bad taste in the mouths of people who already look down on pro wrestling/sports entertainment.



I remember one time McMahon was so angry at me that his face turned neon purple because he was lamenting about the fact WWE draws so many people to their television shows, and yet the advertising rates for WWE programming are a percentage of what other shows, who don't have a comparable audience, can charge.

I made the statement that to mainstream advertisers, WWE fits in the category of 'low brow' and that to them, we'll always be served our Thanksgiving turkey out the back door.

Vince was furious with the statement.

"We're just like movies and every other form of entertainment," he bellowed. "What makes us less in anyone's eyes?"

The answer to Vince's question is: "The way the Jeff Hardy storyline was presented and carried out."

The omission of details of why Hardy was hospitalised, the obvious conclusion the fans reading the story could come to, and the fact WWE thought it was appropriate to leverage its good will to not immediately inform the inquiring media "this is just a storyline, like every other form of entertainment (ahem)" played into the hands of those who believe this is low brow, bottom feeding entertainment.

I don't personally view pro wrestling or WWE that way.

But this past Sunday, McMahon and his staff sure gave those critical of the industry all the ammunition they needed.

The worst part about it is the storyline would have been just as successful with just some safeguards in place to ensure WWE comes across as 'mainstream'.

Instead, World Wrestling Entertainment looked just like the billion dollar evolution of the old carnival rasslin' circuit.

ShawnRaven

Rjd2 wrote: »

Paul Heyman is an angry man! ............................... P.S Smackdown spoiler in this as well....

Paul Heyman needs a proper job, all he does is bitch about the current product.
Oh wait... nevermind

JP Liz

Seth Mates, former WWE creative team member, recently posted a blog over on Newsday.com. criticizing WWE for the recent Jeff Hardy storyline they ran last Sunday at Survivor Series. Mates wrote, "Fact: Jeff Hardy is one strike away from his WWE career ending...More importantly, he could be one relapse away from endangering his own life. To turn his real-life struggles into a storyline is sick and twisted."

Mates went on to criticize Vince's decision to have The Undertaker put Vickie Guerrero in a casket near the anniversary of Eddie's death. He wrote, "Vince's life is wrestling...His family's life is wrestling. He's surrounded by wrestling people and has never wanted for anything. And because his philosophy is 'what's right for the business is what's right,' then he feels everyone around him should give the same, even though they have complications in their daily lives that Vince wouldn't even understand. And the fact that Vince surrounds himself with enablers -- "yes men" whose survival on the business is contingent on keeping Vince happy and telling him what he wants to hear -- doesn't help matters."

more complaining

JP Liz

So Edge was the culprit?????

JP Liz

The person that came up with the idea behind Jeff Hardy's Survivor Series angle was none other than Michael Hayes. Hayes had Vince Mcmahon's complete blessing and Stephanie Mcmahon provided the specific details regarding the angle.

JP Liz

Has his attack been mentioned on SD

rovert

JP Liz wrote: »

The person that came up with the idea behind Jeff Hardy's Survivor Series angle was none other than Michael Hayes. Hayes had Vince Mcmahon's complete blessing and Stephanie Mcmahon provided the specific details regarding the angle.

Which is why every former writer is taking shots at WWE.

orestes

JP Liz wrote: »

The person that came up with the idea behind Jeff Hardy's Survivor Series angle was none other than Michael Hayes. Hayes had Vince Mcmahon's complete blessing and Stephanie Mcmahon provided the specific details regarding the angle.

Can you provide a source for this information please?

The charter says all articles are to be sourced, and if they aren't I might well delete them.