Weed V Alcohol

JC 2K3

Why did this topic turn into a risks/harm/legality debate?

To get back on topic: alcohol for socialising, weed for chilling out with friends.

c-note

jim o doom wrote: »

I'm not saying people don't get angry when stoned, but weed itself is much less likely to make you emotionally unstable enough to attack somebody.

For instance the poster talking about the "unprovoked" attack - did he perchance accost the person rolling the joint, for rolling/smoking the joint? we don't know the background to that at all - however the vast majority of people who get attacked in public in Ireland especially during a weekend or suitable "festive" period, get attacked by a drunk.

yeah drunks can be violent aswell, no question.
but having spent 5 yrs in college in dublin, out quite a bit i've met thousands of drunks on the street in pubs in houses outside clubs ousite concerts, inside concerts all over ireland and have never been in an aggro situation! the one and only incident in my life is detailed below

as to the background to the incident.
i went into a hotel bathroom at a function about 10 years ago.
there were 3 or 4 people inside, one was smoking by the sinks.
i unzipped and took a piss.
i went to the sinks, about 3 sinks down from the smoker, who i'd realised by this stage was smoking a joint. i washed my hands and used the dryer right next to the sink i was at.
then went to walk past the smoker to the door and he landing a punch on my left cheekbone and a quick second about my forehead, i managed to grab the door handle and get out, a doorman happened to be near the door and saw me stumble out, and he then entered the gents... dunno what happened inside after that....

it was unprovoked, i said nothing to him, didnt make eye contact. didnt brush off him or accidently splash water on him. he just swung at me out of the blue.

the only reason i mentioned the incident in the first place is because i ofter hear the arguement about violent drunks as opposed to mellow stoners. i thought i'd share my real life experience.!:)

AnonoBoy

We've gone pages since someone linked to a Bill Hicks video. I'm f*uckin' amazed. :rolleyes:

Kernel

Weed vs Alcohol? Alcohol is harder to smoke, weed is harder to drink. Alcohol would kick weed's ass though.

dSTAR

Kernel wrote: »

Weed vs Alcohol? Alcohol is harder to smoke, weed is harder to drink. Alcohol would kick weed's ass though.

At the end of the day I think I would prefer to have a bong smashed over my head by some peace loving hippy in some reefer madness induced psychosis than some violent drunk trying to shove a broken bottle into my face insisting I tried to chat up his bird. Bottom line ...

Real men drink beer.

Weed is for puffs (literally)

jim o doom

c-note wrote: »

yeah drunks can be violent aswell, no question.
but having spent 5 yrs in college in dublin, out quite a bit i've met thousands of drunks on the street in pubs in houses outside clubs ousite concerts, inside concerts all over ireland and have never been in an aggro situation! the one and only incident in my life is detailed below

as to the background to the incident.
i went into a hotel bathroom at a function about 10 years ago.
there were 3 or 4 people inside, one was smoking by the sinks.
i unzipped and took a piss.
i went to the sinks, about 3 sinks down from the smoker, who i'd realised by this stage was smoking a joint. i washed my hands and used the dryer right next to the sink i was at.
then went to walk past the smoker to the door and he landing a punch on my left cheekbone and a quick second about my forehead, i managed to grab the door handle and get out, a doorman happened to be near the door and saw me stumble out, and he then entered the gents... dunno what happened inside after that....

it was unprovoked, i said nothing to him, didnt make eye contact. didnt brush off him or accidently splash water on him. he just swung at me out of the blue.

the only reason i mentioned the incident in the first place is because i ofter hear the arguement about violent drunks as opposed to mellow stoners. i thought i'd share my real life experience.!:)

In your earlier post you stated that the person "in the pub" who was smoking a joint and made and unprovoked attack on you, had not been drinking. how do you know this to be the case?

jim o doom

AnonoBoy wrote: »

We've gone pages since someone linked to a Bill Hicks video. I'm f*uckin' amazed. :rolleyes:

*desperately searches internet for more hicks videos*

Dragan

AnonoBoy wrote: »

We've gone pages since someone linked to a Bill Hicks video. I'm f*uckin' amazed. :rolleyes:

It's funny, you bang on about Hicks more than anyone.:pac:

Dragan

c-note wrote: »

yeah drunks can be violent aswell, no question.
but having spent 5 yrs in college in dublin, out quite a bit i've met thousands of drunks on the street in pubs in houses outside clubs ousite concerts, inside concerts all over ireland and have never been in an aggro situation! the one and only incident in my life is detailed below

as to the background to the incident.
i went into a hotel bathroom at a function about 10 years ago.
there were 3 or 4 people inside, one was smoking by the sinks.
i unzipped and took a piss.
i went to the sinks, about 3 sinks down from the smoker, who i'd realised by this stage was smoking a joint. i washed my hands and used the dryer right next to the sink i was at.
then went to walk past the smoker to the door and he landing a punch on my left cheekbone and a quick second about my forehead, i managed to grab the door handle and get out, a doorman happened to be near the door and saw me stumble out, and he then entered the gents... dunno what happened inside after that....

it was unprovoked, i said nothing to him, didnt make eye contact. didnt brush off him or accidently splash water on him. he just swung at me out of the blue.

the only reason i mentioned the incident in the first place is because i ofter hear the arguement about violent drunks as opposed to mellow stoners. i thought i'd share my real life experience.!:)

Breaking newsflash : cnuts also smoke weed.

ScumLord

c-note wrote: »

yeah drunks can be violent aswell, no question.
but having spent 5 yrs in college in dublin, out quite a bit i've met thousands of drunks on the street in pubs in houses outside clubs ousite concerts, inside concerts all over ireland and have never been in an aggro situation! the one and only incident in my life is detailed below

as to the background to the incident.
i went into a hotel bathroom at a function about 10 years ago.
there were 3 or 4 people inside, one was smoking by the sinks.
i unzipped and took a piss.
i went to the sinks, about 3 sinks down from the smoker, who i'd realised by this stage was smoking a joint. i washed my hands and used the dryer right next to the sink i was at.
then went to walk past the smoker to the door and he landing a punch on my left cheekbone and a quick second about my forehead, i managed to grab the door handle and get out, a doorman happened to be near the door and saw me stumble out, and he then entered the gents... dunno what happened inside after that....

it was unprovoked, i said nothing to him, didnt make eye contact. didnt brush off him or accidently splash water on him. he just swung at me out of the blue.

the only reason i mentioned the incident in the first place is because i ofter hear the arguement about violent drunks as opposed to mellow stoners. i thought i'd share my real life experience.!:)

This sounds just like something out of reefer madness.

AnonoBoy

Dragan wrote: »

It's funny, you bang on about Hicks more than anyone.:pac:

True. Although there must be some sort of Goodwin's Law for weed threads and Bill Hicks videos.

Dragan

ScumLord wrote: »

reefer madness.

Listen to Jesus Jimmy!
Don't smoke that marijuana!
Listen to Jesus Jimmy!
This comes straight from the Madonna!
Listen to Jesus Jimmy!
I'm the face on the shroud of Turin!
Listen to Jesus Jimmy!
Do I....have to test your urine!!!!

Dragan

AnonoBoy wrote: »

True. Although there must be some sort of Goodwin's Law for weed threads and Bill Hicks videos.

Well he raised some relatively valid points, and over quotation doesn't really take from the relevance.

A lot of it isn't relevant though. lol

Vim Fuego

Both!

I think a lot of people base their opinions on people they have seen that could be described as 'worst case examples'.

I have one for each. Alcohol certainly contributed to the death of an uncle of mine. Pure alcoholic, couldn't help himself. Irony of ironies, died in a pub on a visit back to Ireland (moved abroad years ago).

An old neighbour of mine. Nearly 30 years old, has never had a job, lives with his parents. Smoked cannabis a lot, had some form of emotional breakdown. He blamed cannabis, his family were happy with that. He's since given up cannabis, and is still a complete and utter waster. Still no job, still no life.

You always have people who will abuse any substance (including food, caffeine, cough syrup etc) but not everyone does. I would prefer to deal with someone who is stoned than drunk. I know a load of people who smoke and drink yet are successful, happy and contributing to society.

jim o doom

Vim Fuego wrote: »

Both!

I think a lot of people base their opinions on people they have seen that could be described as 'worst case examples'.

I have one for each. Alcohol certainly contributed to the death of an uncle of mine. Pure alcoholic, couldn't help himself. Irony of ironies, died in a pub on a visit back to Ireland (moved abroad years ago).

An old neighbour of mine. Nearly 30 years old, has never had a job, lives with his parents. Smoked cannabis a lot, had some form of emotional breakdown. He blamed cannabis, his family were happy with that. He's since given up cannabis, and is still a complete and utter waster. Still no job, still no life.

You always have people who will abuse any substance (including food, caffeine, cough syrup etc) but not everyone does. I would prefer to deal with someone who is stoned than drunk. I know a load of people who smoke and drink yet are successful, happy and contributing to society.

I agree wholeheartedly. Despite the poster talking about the "stoner" who attacked him - I am sure for the most part, a large percentage of the posters here will agree that it is generally a drunk who is more likely to attack somebody. I know a person of 3 different people through friends who are HEO's in the civil service, one doing audit work & the other 2 bosses, 2 have families (one of those families are adults for the most part) & all three are smokers (and drinkers to boot). They get on fine. I know sports people (several black belts in Kenpo) who smoke on a regular basis. I also know en ex college waster who has gotten his masters in graphic design & working on 2 mags as head graphic designer, designing everything in the mag. I myself am a green belt doing my brown & am gainfully employed & in fact have NEVER been unemployed since I left college (and during college I was working too) - that's ten years or more of constant employment. I smoke and drink too. I mean jesus it's clear a lot of people do either or both & they are fine, they live life normally, take part in society and pay their taxes. But there are so many people who have been hearing the propoganda "DRUGS ARE BAD" for so damn long that they believe it implicitly, despite evidence to the contrary & are unwilling to listen to reason & probably never will because they are so close-minded. They think alcohol is ok because it has always been and they have never been subjected to propoganda all their lives (until recently, which they won't believe, because ah sure isn't booze grand anyway) & feel they need to subjugate the rest of us for our "weakness" of enjoying the odd toke. The beautiful Irony being that they feel totally justified drinking. because its legal. and it's not a drug. pah.

jim o doom

an addendum to the above post being; I find it hard to respect ANY law made by pretty much most governments, due to the stupidity I see them constantly enact. The people against toking generally (like a lot of the population) see the government for what they are; a bunch of scumbags with nobodys interests at heart, other than their own. These same people despite their dislike of the government somehow feel that the government got it bang spot on with regards to legislation relating to marijuana. I mean the government couldn't possibly be WRONG about this could they? noooooo

pallepille

dSTAR wrote: »

Most people who smoke chuff usually don't stop at one but sit around all day or night smoking and staring into space having convoluted conversations which they think are really enlightened but to someone listening who is not stoned is absolute drivel.

I have seen first hand how it dramatically changes peoples personalities. Sure alcohol can turn people into obnoxious and sometimes violent morons but it doesn't usually bring on severe psychosis or schizophrenia in the way that sess does which can have long term implications for mental health

All this weed is harmless rhetoric is completely misinformed. The evidence is in that it certainly isn't the case.

misinformed u say, so tell me where there is proof anywhere that smoking weed USUALLY BRINGS ON SEVERE PSYCHOSIS OR SCHIZOPHRENIA, thats a bit extreme do you not think, dont get me wrong im not saying people cant have adverse reactions to smoking. Ive been smoking all kinds of weed/skunk/hash for years and ive seen a lot of different people react very differently to it but to be honest have never seen anything as unpredictable as what ive seen from people drinking alcohol.........................................For pure peace sake and the amount of money saved on public service resources alone it would actually pay to legalise weed (thats without getting the revenue to be earned on legally selling the weed itself). If the majority of temple bars pubs were replaced with coffeeshops do you think we would all have to be subjected to the weekly 3.30 am aggresive circus thats currently the norm ????. ........................................................................................To answer the o/ps question yes I personally prefer weed in most situations but thats for my own reasons and the buzz im looking for.

Dragan

Terry wrote: »

Then there are the stoners who drive while stoned.
Let us not forget them.

So **** them and bring in on site THC testing for accidents Terry.

Big Knox

dSTAR wrote: »

Most people who smoke chuff usually don't stop at one but sit around all day or night smoking and staring into space having convoluted conversations which they think are really enlightened but to someone listening who is not stoned is absolute drivel.

I have seen first hand how it dramatically changes peoples personalities. Sure alcohol can turn people into obnoxious and sometimes violent morons but it doesn't usually bring on severe psychosis or schizophrenia in the way that sess does which can have long term implications for mental health

All this weed is harmless rhetoric is completely misinformed. The evidence is in that it certainly isn't the case.

One of the worst, most mis-informed, hyprocritical posts i've ever seen on boards, Honestly.

Terry

pallepille wrote: »

misinformed u say, so tell me where there is proof anywhere that smoking weed USUALLY BRINGS ON SEVERE PSYCHOSIS OR SCHIZOPHRENIA, thats a bit extreme do you not think, dont get me wrong im not saying people cant have adverse reactions to smoking. Ive been smoking all kinds of weed/skunk/hash for years and ive seen a lot of different people react very differently to it but to be honest have never seen anything as unpredictable as what ive seen from people drinking alcohol.........................................For pure peace sake and the amount of money saved on public service resources alone it would actually pay to legalise weed (thats without getting the revenue to be earned on legally selling the weed itself). If the majority of temple bars pubs were replaced with coffeeshops do you think we would all have to be subjected to the weekly 3.30 am aggresive circus thats currently the norm ????. ........................................................................................To answer the o/ps question yes I personally prefer weed in most situations but thats for my own reasons and the buzz im looking for.

Angry stoners are funny.

pallepille

Terry wrote: »

Angry stoners are funny.

haha did I write that, its just I cant remember you know, I was way too busy being lazy and disinterested. Ahh well I suppose its better to get a laugh from an angry stoner then get a bottle in the teeth from an angry drunk......

anti-venom

Big Knox wrote: »

One of the worst, most mis-informed, hyprocritical posts i've ever seen on boards, Honestly.

I fully agree. For people who are genetically predisposed to developing schizophrenia smoking dope may have a detrimental effect but the faulty gene must be there to start with. Alcoholism and even excessive religious devotion have also been linked to the development of schizophrenia and other psychotic conditions. Are we going to ban religion and booze as well to please the health fascists?

Overall gotta be booze.

But nothing better then a big spliff to end a night.

Red Alert

Someone who is so drunk that they are causing a nuisance or danger to themselves or others is not the same as someone who enjoys a couple of glasses of wine or a few pints. It is a silly argument to say that someone who takes alcohol in moderation is somehow more likely to take a swing at someone who's stoned.

Because of where it is sourced and the fact that it's smoked, weed can only be considered dangerous.

pallepille

Red Alert wrote: »

Someone who is so drunk that they are causing a nuisance or danger to themselves or others is not the same as someone who enjoys a couple of glasses of wine or a few pints. It is a silly argument to say that someone who takes alcohol in moderation is somehow more likely to take a swing at someone who's stoned.

Because of where it is sourced and the fact that it's smoked, weed can only be considered dangerous.

what does this even mean, i didnt read any post that said drinkers gang up and give people who smoke cannabis punishment beatings. In regards to where its sourced again please explain the logic here, also it is not just a simple fact that it is smoked, cannabis can also be eaten and vapourized both of which extinguish (sorry) the need to smoke anything at all in order to get the effects (probably longer lasting aswell).

ScumLord

I don't think I picked one. I flip flop between booze and weed. I don't think I could live in a world without either. But for shear laughs it has to be booze. Drunks are hilarious, stoner's get sucked into their own thoughts and just don't have the comedy value of a drunk.

All the craziest stuff I've ever done has been while drunk. Any other drunk is just a quite night in by comparison.

Dragan

Red Alert wrote: »

Someone who is so drunk that they are causing a nuisance or danger to themselves or others is not the same as someone who enjoys a couple of glasses of wine or a few pints. It is a silly argument to say that someone who takes alcohol in moderation is somehow more likely to take a swing at someone who's stoned.

Because of where it is sourced and the fact that it's smoked, weed can only be considered dangerous.

None of this makes any sense.

pallepille

Dragan wrote: »

None of this makes any sense.

must have been too stoned to realise what was being written

kleefarr

Well when I was smoking it (Not smoked anything for year and a half now) I preferred a nice bit of Mary Jane.

The possible damage to health compared to other drugs are only being discovered now, but I always thought that a bit of weed was not a bad for you as a bit of alcohol. I have attached a recent result from The Lancet which shows the supposed harmfulness of certain drugs.

jim o doom

kleefarr wrote: »

Well when I was smoking it (Not smoked anything for year and a half now) I preferred a nice bit of Mary Jane.

The possible damage to health compared to other drugs are only being discovered now, but I always thought that a bit of weed was not a bad for you as a bit of alcohol. I have attached a recent result from The Lancet which shows the supposed harmfulness of certain drugs.

Whoa extasy is further down the list than weed? crazy. I mean overdose on it is rare & a lot of deaths resulting from MDMA come from people drinking too much water, which their cells cannot take (because of the MDMA and unusually large in take of water) resulting in a horrible death - but it is an upper and can cause palpitations etc - would have thought that made it more dangerous than cannabis.. I wonder what basis this study/graph was based on - single use, overuse, regular use - I am super interested to hear the back up for it - could u post a linky? I want read Also was the danger they were reffering to physical, mental, danger of addiction..