Liverpool fans outnumber utd?

kingshankly

growing up in Ireland in the eighties fans generally supported either utd or Liverpool. Due to success Liverpool had the majority of support in the late eighties early nineties from then on utd have had great success and you would of had more utd fans.but since Liverpool won the champions league in 2005 everyone you talk to seems to be a Liverpool fan( even though utd have a greater recent success)and IMO greatly outnumber utd fans in Ireland this is also reflected in the Amount of hits and views in the utd and Liverpool gossip threads. Or maybe I'm completly wrong any opinions

Pigman II

It's a question that should be included on the next national census (I'm serious). The perverse obsession with British football teams in this country is a social situation that I find quite facinating.

Mr Alan

can i ask wat the relationship between Pigman & Pigman II is please?

Jesus Wept

Lovers.

Pigman II

Purely professional.

Jesus Wept

Purely professional lovers.

Chong

They are Homosexual negros from space!

Pigman II

It more of a case of casual and consensual sex. There's no love there.

Guy:Incognito

Pigman II wrote: »

It's a question that should be included on the next national census (I'm serious). The perverse obsession with British football teams in this country is a social situation that I find quite facinating.

It's a lot less perverse than the people who constantly bemoan others for the clubs they follow.

Mr Alan wrote: »

can i ask wat the relationship between Pigman & Pigman II is please?

All of the above answers plus they are both brothers and Father and son.

Pigman II

Stekelly wrote: »

It's a lot less perverse than the people who constantly bemoan others for the clubs they follow.

Still perverse nonetheless, and far more prevalent.

oobydooby

Pigman II wrote: »

It's a question that should be included on the next national census (I'm serious). The perverse obsession with British football teams in this country is a social situation that I find quite facinating.

Not really, Irish cycling fans pay more attention to Spanish, French and Italian cycling than Irish cycling. They still cycle in Ireland and support Irish cyclists on teh big stage. Most Irish sports fans also follow at least one code of GAA and sometimes a team and a county or even the counties of their parents. I play more football than I watch. I watch more LOI football than I do British football. I follow Liverpool. Nothing perverse about it. Football fans all over Europe have an interest in the English league.

roryc

kingshankly wrote: »

but since Liverpool won the champions league in 2005 everyone you talk to seems to be a Liverpool fan

Who have you been talking to :eek:

I would have thought (in Ireland) United fans outnumber fans of all other PL teams put together. Is not even close IMO... (not that it matters)

I see much, much more United jerseys floating about than any other, and its usually very hard to get a seat in a pub when a United game is on.

tbh I don't think 'Pool would have gained too many fans from their CL win just yet... I think people tend to follow what team friends/ family support moreso than anything else. And United have garnered huge support from their success over the last 15 years

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pigman II wrote: »

It's a question that should be included on the next national census (I'm serious). The perverse obsession with British football teams in this country is a social situation that I find quite facinating.

So.... because I'm Irish, I should automiacially like lrish football? I'll support whatever I like and enjoy watching and not what some half-arsed society scoeity dictates I should support, thank you very much.

This idea that you should like/support somthing because it's Irish is what I find quite fascinating. Surely, by that yardstick, we should be supporting Colm and Jim Jim?

DSB

oobydooby wrote: »

Not really, Irish cycling fans pay more attention to Spanish, French and Italian cycling than Irish cycling. They still cycle in Ireland and support Irish cyclists on teh big stage. Most Irish sports fans also follow at least one code of GAA and sometimes a team and a county or even the counties of their parents. I play more football than I watch. I watch more LOI football than I do British football. I follow Liverpool. Nothing perverse about it. Football fans all over Europe have an interest in the English league.

Theres a massive difference between paying attention to something and claiming undying love for something. I genuinely don't get how an Irish person can claim a genuine connection with a foreign club. And before someone complains about the thread going on this direction, it was realistically never going any other way.

DSB

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

So.... because I'm Irish, I should automiacially like lrish football? I'll support whatever I like and enjoy watching and not what some half-arsed society scoeity dictates I should support, thank you very much.

This idea that you should like/support somthing because it's Irish is what I find quite fascinating. Surely, by that yardstick, we should be supporting Colm and Jim Jim?

Well it is moreso based on the idea that football fans enjoy live football. Not screaming and cheering at a television screen.

LuckyLloyd

kingshankly

DSB wrote: »

Well it is moreso based on the idea that football fans enjoy live football. Not screaming and cheering at a television screen.

Exactly that's why over 10,000 of us cross the Irish sea each week

Call yourself best poster do ya!!! Image fail!

copacetic

DSB wrote: »

And before someone complains about the thread going on this direction, it was realistically never going any other way.

Why? Whats the obsession with caring who other people support or what they do with their time?

KevIRL

Deleted User wrote: »

Call yourself best poster do ya!!! Image fail!

refail:D

Pure Cork

kingshankly wrote: »

Exactly that's why over 10,000 of us cross the Irish sea each week

Pigman II wrote: »

It's a question that should be included on the next national census (I'm serious). The perverse obsession with British football teams in this country is a social situation that I find quite facinating.

They should also include the question: How often do you visit the mainland?

LuckyLloyd

Deleted User wrote: »

Call yourself best poster do ya!!! Image fail!

Determination to get the quick comeback to victory though imo.

LuckyLloyd

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Determination to get the quick comeback to victory though imo.

LOL, just havin the craic my man!

KevIRL wrote: »

refail:D

D'oh!

oobydooby

DSB wrote: »

Theres a massive difference between paying attention to something and claiming undying love for something.

I don't doubt it. It's not an argument I particularly care about. I'm probably not as obsessive in my interests as other fans. I've seen your posts on this topic before, you have a strong position and you argue it well.

I genuinely don't get how an Irish person can claim a genuine connection with a foreign club.

I'm sure I won't be able to explain it to you, not that it really matters. How about the cycling analogy I used? Or more facetiously, what about the language Irish people choose to communicate with?

DSB

kingshankly wrote: »

Exactly that's why over 10,000 of us cross the Irish sea each week

That is a very small percentage to be honest. I'd imagine there are at least 1 million people in this country who actively claim to passionately support a foreign club.

copacetic wrote: »

Why? Whats the obsession with caring who other people support or what they do with their time?

I didn't start the thread, I can sleep at night whether people support Man Utd, Wexford Youths, or Borussia Dortmund. But this thread was made about why people support the team they do.

DSB

oobydooby wrote: »

I don't doubt it. It's not an argument I particularly care about. I'm probably not as obsessive in my interests as other fans. I've seen your posts on this topic before, you have a strong position and you argue it well.

I'm sure I won't be able to explain it to you, not that it really matters. How about the cycling analogy I used? Or more facetiously, what about the language Irish people choose to communicate with?

Well I don't think many Irish people would claim a strong connection to any particular foreign cyclist, and I can't imagine them ever supporting them ahead of an Irish cyclist. I love watching football from everywhere too like, and the Irish language point is a valid one but doesn't really have much relevance in this topic. The English language was pretty much forced upon the nation, supporting English clubs is a hobby and a luxury. Totally different.

copacetic

DSB wrote: »

I didn't start the thread, I can sleep at night whether people support Man Utd, Wexford Youths, or Borussia Dortmund. But this thread was made about why people support the team they do.

No, it wasn't, it was about how many people support one team over another. You would have thought it would have become an argument between those teams supporters.

Instead it is hijacked straight away by the lunatic fringe. It's hilarious, trying to make out that supporters of english teams are 'west brits' or less Irish than you are. The fact you think that this was obviously going to happen is even more worrying.

Plenty of people would say the same about you supporting a 'foreign' game being played in Ireland at all. The irony is painful.

DSB

copacetic wrote: »

No, it wasn't, it was about how many people support one team over another. You would have think it would have become an argument between those teams supporters.

Instead it is hijacked straight away by the lunatic fringe. It's hilarious, trying to make out that supporters of english teams are 'west brits' or less Irish than you are.

Plenty of people would say the same about you supporting a 'foreign' game being played in Ireland at all. The irony is painful.

Nearly all sports played here are foreign to be fair, and I've never heard anyone call anyone less Irish than anyone on here. It is just a ridiculous trend.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

DSB wrote: »

That is a very small percentage to be honest. I'd imagine there are at least 1 million people in this country who actively claim to passionately support a foreign club.


I didn't start the thread, I can sleep at night whether people support Man Utd, Wexford Youths, or Borussia Dortmund. But this thread was made about why people support the team they do.

In fairness, when it costs 200/300 euro a trip, it's not something you can do every weekend. And I do go see my local team live every now and again. At the Olympiastadion.

DSB

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

In fairness, when it costs 200/300 euro a trip

Thats because these place are in entirely different countries. You're only serving to strengthen my argument as opposed to weakening it.

copacetic

DSB wrote: »

Nearly all sports played here are foreign to be fair, and I've never heard anyone call anyone less Irish than anyone on here. It is just a ridiculous trend.

What about supporting your local parish football or hurling team rather than a imported game like soccer? How can any Irish person support an foreign game brought here by English soldiers and driven by the english media, only really popular in the Pale?

oobydooby

DSB wrote: »

Well I don't think many Irish people would claim a strong connection to any particular foreign cyclist

No, like in most sports it tends to be an admiration for skill and technique and respect for dedication and commitment rather than the blind worshipping which goes on in soccer. It's a strange phenomenon that seems unique to soccer. I've nothing really to say about it that hasn't been said 1000 times. Regardless, I still follow Liverpool. I don't really care why.

LuckyLloyd

You know, a search for "star trek fail pics" is probably time much better spend than reading this thread.

copacetic

I dunno, I kinda like where it is going..

oobydooby

Lloyd, can I change my vote:pac:

DSB

copacetic wrote: »

What about supporting your local parish football or hurling team rather than a imported game like soccer? How can any Irish person support an foreign game brought here by English soldiers and driven by the english media, only really popular in the Pale?

I don't enjoy hurling or GAA to be honest and have given both a shot, if I did however have an interest in supporting hurling though I'd be supporting Dublin, and not Kilkenny because they play at a higher standard.

oobydooby wrote: »

No, like in most sports it tends to be an admiration for skill and technique and respect for dedication and commitment rather than the blind worshipping which goes on in soccer. It's a strange phenomenon that seems unique to soccer. I've nothing really to say about it that hasn't been said 1000 times. Regardless, I still follow Liverpool. I don't really care why.

I don't think its unique to soccer, most popular team sports have it. GAA, hurling and rugby all have large amounts of diehards in this country.

LuckyLloyd

oobydooby wrote: »

Lloyd, can I change my vote:pac:

That depends.

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oobydooby

DSB wrote: »

I don't think its unique to soccer, most popular team sports have it. GAA, hurling and rugby all have large amounts of diehards in this country.

Fans of these sports are usually from the community the teams represent. Totally different to EPL soccer. Also, fans of these sports are often more 'balanced' in their views than soccer fans, even LOI ones. Good skill from an opponent is often admired. As a neutral I prefer being in Croke Park (for a GAA match!) than being in Tolka Park. I guess if I passionately supported an LOI team or even a GAA county my experience would be different.

DSB

oobydooby wrote: »

Fans of these sports are usually from the community the teams represent.

Exactly. The second half of the post was barely even necessary after this because you just nailed it right on the head.

Mr Alan

kingshankly wrote: »

growing up in Ireland in the eighties fans generally supported either utd or Liverpool. Due to success Liverpool had the majority of support in the late eighties early nineties from then on utd have had great success and you would of had more utd fans.but since Liverpool won the champions league in 2005 everyone you talk to seems to be a Liverpool fan( even though utd have a greater recent success)and IMO greatly outnumber utd fans in Ireland this is also reflected in the Amount of hits and views in the utd and Liverpool gossip threads. Or maybe I'm completly wrong any opinions

READ THE OP!

lads, why are yous derailing this thread with an Irish League Fan -vs- English League Fan debate?

LuckyLloyd

Mr Alan wrote: »

READ THE OP!

lads, why are yous derailing this thread with an Irish League Fan -vs- English League Fan debate?

This is an excellent question imo.

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Mr Alan wrote: »

lads, why are yous derailing this thread with an Irish League Fan -vs- English League Fan debate?

plus a h-aon

DSB

Mr Alan wrote: »

READ THE OP!

lads, why are yous derailing this thread with an Irish League Fan -vs- English League Fan debate?

There are pretty strong links between the OP's post and what is now being discussed. I know it isn't really completely on topic but it isn't exactly too far off either. And to be honest, how far could a discussion on that post have gone on for? Irish football fans support successful teams, Chelsea fans are becoming more and more common among kids. Man City will probably be the trend of the future.

LuckyLloyd

DSB wrote: »

There are pretty strong links between the OP's post and what is now being discussed. I know it isn't really completely on topic but it isn't exactly too far off either. And to be honest, how far could a discussion on that post have gone on for? Irish football fans support successful teams, Chelsea fans are becoming more and more common among kids. Man City will probably be the trend of the future.

lies

Mr Alan

DSB wrote: »

There are pretty strong links between the OP's post and what is now being discussed. I know it isn't really completely on topic but it isn't exactly too far off either.

he wanted to discuss who had more fans in Ireland, Liverpool or Man Utd.

How is ANY Irish league club etc etc relevant to that?

DSB

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

lies

Of course there are. The link is that the original poster is suggesting that Irish people will continue to follow the successful teams and the few posts after backed that idea, referring to the idea as perverse, the thread then progressed to whether the idea was perverse or not.

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Mr Alan wrote: »

Irish league

Linfield, Glentoran and Distillery?

Nothing tbh.

mike65

Liverpool fans like to nater on and on and on so hits on message board threads will be higher. There may have been a residue from the 70s/80s that got reawoken first with the "Plastic Treble" then the CL win, dads who had drifted away from the game as thier team dropped out of contention suddenly sat down (yes,in front of the TV) and forced thier sons to pay attention. My neighbour has an 8 year old son he is a Liverpool fan this I know cos when he mother puts out the washing a Liverpool bedspead is on ther line, now if you are 8 Liverpool is not the obvious team to latch onto so I reckon its down to his dad or even grandad.

Mike

DSB

kingshankly wrote: »

growing up in Ireland in the eighties fans generally supported either utd or Liverpool. Due to success Liverpool had the majority of support in the late eighties early nineties from then on utd have had great success and you would of had more utd fans.

This part of the opening post was always going to ensure the thread went a different route than just 'no Liverpool have more fans' 'no United do'.

DSB

mike65 wrote: »

Liverpool fans like to nater on and on and on so hits on message board threads will be higher. There may have been a residue from the 70s/80s that got reawoken first with the "Plastic Treble" then the CL win, dads who had drifted away from the game as thier team dropped out of contention suddenly sat down (yes,in front of the TV) and forced thier sons to pay attention. My neighbour has an 8 year old son he is a Liverpool fan this I know cos when he mother puts out the washing a Liverpool bedspead is on ther line, now if you are 8 Liverpool is not the obvious team to latch onto so I reckon its down to his dad or even grandad.

Mike

8 might have meant that he was just getting into football around the time of the Champions League win though.