Terrorist attacks in Mumbai [merged]

ShooterSF

gillyfromlyre wrote: »

God you are hilarious

Meh. Ive read funnier. No offense Terry just giving you a balanced review but not your best work. I don't want you thinking everyone found it halarious and go off on a new comedic tangeant only to be let down by the reception of the final product.

Mark200

Trey Yummy Mail wrote: »

I always thought India was somewhat peaceful, as regards to terrorists. I didn't think I would ever see such an attack take place there.

Here's a timeline of attacks in India over the last few years:

http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/World-News/Mumbai-Terror-Attacks-In-India-Timeline/Article/200811415162552?lpos=World_News_News_Your_Way_Region_4&lid=NewsYourWay_ARTICLE_15162552_Mumbai%3A_Terror_Attacks_In_India_Timeline

There has been a lot more this year than usual.

dlofnep

Why were they attacked?

Gareth37

moneyminded wrote: »

Anyone having sky satelite look at channel 511. some live terrorist encounter hapenning

Are these the crowd that are threatening the Pope?

pratheesh

CNN is providing live feed and news regarding the situation in mumbai at http://edition.cnn.com/video/flashLive/live.html?stream=stream1

Mumbai (earlier known as Bombay) is the financial hub of India. Its a soft target as people there are quite liberal and would have never dreamt of such a thing happening.

wes

pratheesh wrote: »

Mumbai (earlier known as Bombay) is the financial hub of India. Its a soft target as people there are quite liberal and would have never dreamt of such a thing happening.

There have been several attacks on Mumbai, before this. So I find it hard to believe what your saying. The type of attack is certainly very different, but its still terrorism.

Look at the time line someone else posted above.

Conor108

Sky News Live Channel

pratheesh

I agree that Mumbai has seen a lot of terror attacks. But they were all either religious conflicts or against Indians. But this is probably the first time something of this sort has happened specifically targetting the Brits,Americans and the Israelis. I was answering to the 'Why?' that someone had posted.
Its quite apparent that these lunatics like to target the areas where they can do maximum damage and get the most attention (i wonder what it achieves). Hence Mumbai.. its certainly got the attention from all over the globe and has impacted the economy.. (The Mumbai stock exchange suspended trading for the day.. first time in last three years)

thelordofcheese

Gareth37 wrote: »

Are these the crowd that are threatening the Pope?

At this point who's *hasn't* threatened the pope?

wes

pratheesh wrote: »

I agree that Mumbai has seen a lot of terror attacks. But they were all either religious conflicts or against Indians. But this is probably the first time something of this sort has happened specifically targetting the Brits,Americans and the Israelis. I was answering to the 'Why?' that someone had posted.
Its quite apparent that these lunatics like to target the areas where they can do maximum damage and get the most attention (i wonder what it achieves). Hence Mumbai.. its certainly got the attention from all over the globe and has impacted the economy.. (The Mumbai stock exchange suspended trading for the day.. first time in last three years)

The guys were also reported to be on about Kashmir as well btw. The details aren't exactly clear right now.

ASTRACLUB

i WONDER our irish govt is capable of dealing any such crisis (God it should never happen) but what is our reality check? i think our govt should be more vigilant just to be safe

tony1kenobi

gillyfromlyre wrote: »

God you are hilarious

God appreciates your compliment.

Gareth37 wrote: »

Are these the crowd that are threatening the Pope?

No, you are thinking of V2.

galwayguy22

ASTRACLUB wrote: »

i WONDER our irish govt is capable of dealing any such crisis (God it should never happen) but what is our reality check? i think our govt should be more vigilant just to be safe

Do we actually have any quick response special forces? Any armed tactical garda? Not the kind of ones that kill depressed shotgun wielding farmers mind.

Ass

galwayguy22 wrote: »

Do we actually have any quick response special forces? Any armed tactical garda? Not the kind of ones that kill depressed shotgun wielding farmers mind.

Yes, we do. They're the kind of tactical response team that intercept dangerous drug dealers smuggling hundreds of millions of euros worth of Cocaine off our coast. I'm sure most of the fellahs in the Army Ranger Wing have seen combat experience too.

They're more than equiped and trained to deal with such a situation. The question is if there are enough of them to deal with an attack on this scale.

The truth however, is that an attack like this will never occur in Ireland. Fully automatic firearms here are not as widely available as they are in the Middle East and Asia and generally nobody gives enough of a **** to get up in arms about something.

Like the way not as many bacteria will grow on a clean surface, we have a rather secular country so you don't see a lot of fundamentalist religious groups forming here.

Wacko

galwayguy22 wrote: »

Do we actually have any quick response special forces? Any armed tactical garda? Not the kind of ones that kill depressed shotgun wielding farmers mind.

The ERU (Gardai) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergency_Response_Unit_(Garda) and the ARW (Army) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Ranger_Wing

Ass Face

Ass Face wrote: »

The truth however, is that an attack like this will never occur in Ireland. Fully automatic firearms here are not as widely available as they are in the Middle East and Asia and generally nobody gives enough of a **** to get up in arms about something.

Like the way not as many bacteria will grow on a clean surface, we have a rather secular country so you don't see a lot of fundamentalist religious groups forming here.

Assumptions like that are dangerous!
An attack on that scale is very unlikely, but not impossible!
They arrive as tourists or studants, their weapons are smuggled in by sea and they go to a pre-selected target!

If an islamic terrorist group want to make Americans (& British) citizans feel at risk anywhere in the world, as this appears to be one of their aims.

Then attacks of this nature will become more commonplace, in more unlikely places. Another advantage (in their eyes) it that there won't be any innocent muslim bystanders that will be killed as well.

dfx-

Have Fianna Fáil been blamed yet? If not, why not?

wes

Deleted User wrote: »

Assumptions like that are dangerous!
An attack on that scale is very unlikely, but not impossible!
They arrive as tourists or studants, their weapons are smuggled in by sea and they go to a pre-selected target!

If an islamic terrorist group want to make Americans (& British) citizans feel at risk anywhere in the world, as this appears to be one of their aims.

Then attacks of this nature will become more commonplace, in more unlikely places. Another advantage (in their eyes) it that there won't be any innocent muslim bystanders that will be killed as well.

Most of these guys couldn't find Ireland on a map. I really doubt anyone would attack, someplace as insignificant (to them) as Ireland.

Also, the motivations for the attacks in Mumbai are unknown right now, and there are conflicting reports. The attacks seem to have a lot to do with local issue, just as much as attacking American's and Brits.

pratheesh

If the citizens of Ireland can ensure that their politicians are cautious while changing the laws to accomodate religious or other kinds of demands by groups of foreign nationals, then Ireland will remain a very safe place. Its when the people/government become too lenient, people tend to take the privileges provided as their right which if not checked creates major problems..
India's main problem is its politicians who do everything possible to get some votes during elections !!
and finally point their fingers on our neighbours.

pratheesh

wes wrote: »

Most of these guys couldn't find Ireland on a map. I really doubt anyone would attack, someplace as insignificant (to them) as Ireland.

Please dont think that these guys are all ignorant. most of the guys providing the support and training are highly trained professionals. Some of them might know more about Ireland than most most Irish would.

Ass

You're one of these guys who thinks Ireland's needs an Arsenal of Nuclear Weapons, a fleet of AirCraft carriers, and a world class Air Force to defend ourselves from the impending invasion, aren't you?

Listen, we're not going to be invaded, attacked, bombed etc. It's just not going to happen. So get on with what ever you have to do and stop worrying.

pratheesh

Yes i guess you are right..
I wonder what the Brits were doing here for a few centuries..

Cunny-Funt

:rolleyes:

Different times man.

An Fear Aniar

I was wondering if you had an Irish passport would they let you off or would they know about the troop movements through Shannon?


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lottodrink

Deleted User wrote: »

Assumptions like that are dangerous!
An attack on that scale is very unlikely, but not impossible!
They arrive as tourists or studants, their weapons are smuggled in by sea and they go to a pre-selected target!

If an islamic terrorist group want to make Americans (& British) citizans feel at risk anywhere in the world, as this appears to be one of their aims.

Then attacks of this nature will become more commonplace, in more unlikely places. Another advantage (in their eyes) it that there won't be any innocent muslim bystanders that will be killed as well.

Yeah I agree, its not impossible!!

Sure they can probably do a McGuiver n make Bombs with Chewing Gum n a pencil lol....

Its crazy **** tho... hopefully its over soon

thelordofcheese

dfx- wrote: »

Have Fianna Fáil been blamed yet? If not, why not?

Give it time, this is AH after all.

ASTRACLUB

pratheesh;Ass Face;

Calm down, i think the question was ---
_Are we capable of facing the situation liek this" do we have skills and task forces to combat?

"Not, why & by whom"!!!!

its friday and enjoy

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Cheers

The main conflict for the day should now be
Corona..? Or Sol..? With lime..? Or with lemon..?
Damn..
Go both....

wes

pratheesh wrote: »

Please dont think that these guys are all ignorant. most of the guys providing the support and training are highly trained professionals. Some of them might know more about Ireland than most most Irish would.

Even if they are professionals. Ireland is in the grand scheme insignificant, to them.

I have family in that part of the world, and they couldn't even find Ireland on the map and some of them have a decent education. So I wouldn't be so sure that even the better educated will know anything about Ireland. Ireland is a small nation and I am sure there knowledge of us, matches the average Irish person knowledge of Mali or someplace like that. Sure we may vaguely know about it, but not much else.

Manic Moran

An Fear Aniar wrote: »

I was wondering if you had an Irish passport would they let you off or would they know about the troop movements through Shannon?

If simply letting airplanes land was sufficient grounds to execute people, let alone hosting US troops in the country or being directly involved in operations, there would be a lot of other nationalities on the list ahead of Ireland. They'd be killing people from half the countries in the world.

NTM

Biggins

Deleted User wrote: »

Assumptions like that are dangerous!
An attack on that scale is very unlikely, but not impossible!
They arrive as tourists or students, their weapons are smuggled in by sea and they go to a pre-selected target!

If an islamic terrorist group want to make Americans, British, western Europeans feel at risk anywhere in the world, as this appears to be one of their aims.

Then attacks of this nature will become more commonplace, in more unlikely places. Another advantage (in their eyes) it that there won't be any innocent Muslim bystanders that will be killed as well.

The last part is especially true. The Religious attackers are learning very fast. Their motivational direction now has changed more so. They are now attacking areas and places that are of more non-Muslim culture.
Areas and places now that are multi-cultural and are of British/American economic value will become the main targets for insurgency within the religious fanatical organisations. Mumbai is a classic new example of this.
The brethren have learned from Afghanistan and Iraq that killing their own along with the British and America forces is doing them in the long run no favours amid their own people.
Already the village leaders in both countries are refusing to go along with the jihads organisations wishes. This up to a year and a half ago was something they didn't even have to contend with. Now they do and they are learning by their mistakes.

Could Ireland become a target? In theory it could but then so could any city/place in any town in Europe. For a place to be make the target list for terrorist attention according to the needs of the Islamic current desires, it will have to suit a number of pre-conditional conditions, have media effective targets, have monetary value in terms of effecting economy (sending a warning to that countries leaders to play ball or else...), have a serious contingent of westernised populace within well defined structural confines and buildings, etc to say the least. Again, Mumbia suited these conditions and was well, well chosen.

In the next year, movement by American troops will be back towards the Afghanistan regions. The Islamic terror branches now know this and are re-addressing their current valued targets and shifting their action mechanism towards hitting the western economic powers outside their home borders more so than ever before.
The group that attacked Mumbai did so with very trained military precision and training. They will be shown (as much as can be shown by intelligence agencies without risking/exposing their informers) that they had the capability to over taken not one but two boats, killed those not of value or use and before even landing on Indian soil, were able to differentiate between those that could serve a purpose (dead or alive) and those that are/were side casualties.

Their training had to take place in a region that for some time at least was safe to train in. Know that the American intelligence agencies know of such areas but can't access them, they would have also known that the American satellites would have at least being passing overhead. So they would timed such intensive and extensive training of their operatives accordingly. All this takes serious brains, logistics, finance and a considerable intelligence organisational ability not to be under-estimated.

Long story short, there is very few areas within Ireland that would/could become targets of value to those seeking maximum value for their efforts and willingness of sacrificing their lives, for uttermost effect.
There is only a very limited number of areas/places (I can count them on one hand) within Irish borders that would be of any (very little) value.
Thats not to say it couldn't happen but we are lucky in so many, many ways. Location of country (that alone involves then logistics in a number of areas), relationships to legal and non-legal entities within our borders and others around us, etc.

No...
Mainland Europe will yet again be the target of the next terrorist attacks.

I hope I am proven wrong in that there will be few or no attacks at all but I suspect, that is wishful thinking.

big b

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Give it time, this is AH after all.

Indeed it is, and on that basis...........

That Mumbai Taj Mahal Palace Hotel's "Murder, Mystery" midweek break was a bit OTT, was it not?

Terry

big b wrote: »

Indeed it is, and on that basis...........

That Mumbai Taj Mahal Palace Hotel's "Murder, Mystery" midweek break was a bit OTT, was it not?

Aye.
Damn method actors.

nickpr53

I kinda get what you're saying.. have you guys heard of the black swan concept? pretty simple, it just says, swans were thought to bewhite by definition until they found a black swan. the books had to be re-written.

well the books on terrorism will have to be re-written... once because these guys have innovated, with their commando like water-borne arrival in a city of a free/democratic country, then combining shooting with bombing. How soft a target can you pick?

but then the book will be re-written a second time again, because i think very dark forces revelled in these incidents..
don't you wonder why the whole thing lasted 62 hours?
Why the synagogue was left til the last moment?

http://www.spinwhip.com/mumbai

Terry

Right.
So the Indians are anti-semetic now?

Awesome.

wes

Biggins wrote: »

Areas and places now that are multi-cultural and are of British/American economic value will become the main targets for insurgency within the religious fanatical organisations. Mumbai is a classic new example of this.

New? Are you serious? Mumbai, has been attacked several times by Islamic extremists in the past few years and apparently one bomb attack, was even by Hindu extremists. Mumbai, is not a new target at all.

Biggins

wes wrote: »

New? Are you serious? Mumbai, has been attacked several times by Islamic extremists in the past few years and apparently one bomb attack, was even by Hindu extremists. Mumbai, is not a new target at all.

You are indeed right. I meant "new" as regards the reasons for attacking the same place - whereas before it was based on secular reasons, now "new" attacks are also monetary and foreign nationality (American, British and European) reasons more-so than just on a religious basis alone any more.

India has been sadly hit many times in the last while. Most of those attacks were based around religious aspects and targets.
Now those that oppose more liberal open governments and religious organisations, are selecting people/places based on other side effects as well.
That makes us all a target regardless of religion, place or historic culture.

wes

Biggins wrote: »

You are indeed right. I meant "new" as regards the reasons for attacking the same place - whereas before it was based on secular reasons, now "new" attacks are also monetary and foreign nationality (American, British and European) reasons more-so than just on a religious basis alone any more.

I wouldn't term past violence in Mumbai as secular. Due to the communal nature, it was always about religion to a certain degree and also certainly about revenge for imagined or percieved ills.

Biggins wrote: »

India has been sadly hit many times in the last while. Most of those attacks were based around religious aspects and targets.
Now those that oppose more liberal open governments and religious organisations, are selecting people/places based on other side effects as well.
That makes us all a target regardless of religion, place or historic culture.

There is also a distinct possibility, that the terrorist attacked Westerners for publicity. There isn't enough know to come to a conclusion really. I personally think this is the same groups, with changed up tactics that have always operated in South Asia.

Biggins

I agree with everything you say wes.

As for any solutions, I can't see any easy ones or indeed hard ones in the forseeable future besides one of being reactionary conflict - and thats a sad option that we are being forced into.
In the end with that 'solution' as they say, there is no winners.

wes

wes wrote: »

There is also a distinct possibility, that the terrorist attacked Westerners for publicity.

I would say that the probability is near 100% that publicity was the prime reason, with destabalising the Indian economy as a bonus!

I was in Islamabad a few years ago, while I was there there were several bombings in the commercial district & shopping areas. None were reported on in the western media as only locals were injured, a bit close for comfort as I was in one of those shopping centres earlier in the week!

wes

Biggins wrote: »

I agree with everything you say wes.

As for any solutions, I can't see any easy ones or indeed hard ones in the forseeable future besides one of being reactionary conflict - and thats a sad option that we are being forced into.
In the end with that 'solution' as they say, there is no winners.

I agree with you, there is probably no solution. Especially in India, where it isn't just extremist Muslims engaging in violence, but extremist Hindu groups as well. There violence, basically feeds each other, ensuring that both communities will be victims of violence for a very long time.