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Any chance of non-religious stamps ffs
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Interestingly though the early church didn't even celebrate the birth of Christ, Easter was the main deal, so it looks increasingly like they were merely looking for a way to co-opt a celebration where the pagans were having really kickass parties (as is evidenced by the way that they had no power to dictate how it was celebrated for most of its history). So happy Saturnalia everyone!As I understand it the date was picked (no one has an idea when it really happened , or didn't) so the converting pagans didn't have to give up their big winter piss-up.
Tbh the more you probe at the historical and intellectual underpinnings of Christianity, the more rotten the entire thing gets. Of course if you have faith in Cesare Borgia Christ on the cross, that isn't supposed to be a problem.
Its the biggest lol on earth, theres really no point in taking it seriously. Its like the inverse of what Gandhi was talking about - first you fight them, then you laugh at them, then you ignore them, then they shrivel up in a cloud of Pope Ignoramus the triple-X's flatulence and vanish.
Well it should provide some comfort to those bemoaning the transformation of the holiday into a glut of materialism, that it was historically usually an orgy of one kind or another.ChocolateSauce wrote: »What's altering a few small/important facts for the sake of posterity, eh?
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The date was never recorded anywhere, so we don't really have a clue.
We don't even know the actual year.
By our calender Herod died in 4bc , so we are at least 3 years out.
We don't know the actual year, but we do have some clues about the time of the year.
First of all, it was certainly not in December. Shepherds would never be watching their sheep in fields in the middle of winter (Like 2:8). I've been to Israel in December and it is bitterly cold!
Secondly, we know that Jesus was 6 months younger than John the Baptist (Luke 1:36). We also know that John's mother became pregnant shortly after her husband had been on priestly duty in the Temple. He belonged to the division of Abijah, and their slot on the rota was in June or July. That would mean John the Baptist was born around April and therefore Jesus would have been born in October.
That's assuming you believe any of it, of course.
The real date was never an issue in early Christianity since the Resurrection, rather than the birth of Christ, was what was important to believers. The hijacking of the 25th of December by Constantine and his successors was a cynical move to cement his bastardised version of Christianity as the official faith of the Roman Empire.0 -
SimpleSam06 wrote: »Interestingly though the early church didn't even celebrate the birth of Christ, Easter was the main deal, so it looks increasingly like they were merely looking for a way to co-opt a celebration where the pagans were having really kickass parties (as is evidenced by the way that they had no power to dictate how it was celebrated for most of its history). So happy Saturnalia everyone!
Tbh the more you probe at the historical and intellectual underpinnings of Christianity, the more rotten the entire thing gets. Of course if you have faith in Cesare Borgia Christ on the cross, that isn't supposed to be a problem.
Its the biggest lol on earth, theres really no point in taking it seriously. Its like the inverse of what Gandhi was talking about - first you fight them, then you laugh at them, then you ignore them, then they shrivel up in a cloud of Pope Ignoramus the triple-X's flatulence and vanish.
Well it should provide some comfort to those bemoaning the transformation of the holiday into a glut of materialism, that it was historically usually an orgy of one kind or another.
I suggest you convert this into a letter and send it to the nationals:D0 -
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Only if you post it with a snowman stamp.The Mad Hatter wrote: »Can I convert it into a letter and send it to the nationals? 0 -
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