Gerry Adams for President?

TOMASJ

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Does not change the fact that the six countys are still occupied against the will of the people of the 32 countys, by the English (by force).

TOMASJ

As things stand we live on an island divided into two countries

Now your getting it (divided in two) by the English, against the wishes of the Irish majority (Cause of problem)

LordSutch

Graham Norton for President ?

RiverWilde

Graham Norton? Would he even take the job seriously? He'd just camp it up and drive the right wingers insane lol Em ... maybe not the best choice. Although he would bridge the religious divide lol :rolleyes:

Riv

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bmaxi

It is easy and convenient to cherry pick history to suit our own aspirations. It is rarely mentioned that Pope Innocent was an ally of King William of Orange in his war against King James or that, apart from Wexford, the only significant rebellion in 1798 was by Protestants in Antrim. This latter was crushed when Catholics failed to support them as promised. If national territory is determined by whoever holds it at any particular time then we should remember that there were people in Ireland before the Celts/ Gaels arrived, should we take the argument to extremes and say the country should belong to the Fir Bolg or whoever.
Conquest of territory for economic, subsistence, defence etc. reasons has been a fact of life since man has discovered he could drive his neighbour away with a stick.

LordSutch

I thought Mary Robinson was very good, shame she cant come back into the role . . .

oscarBravo

Next person to drag the politics or history of NI into this gets a ban. No excuses.

donegalfella, leave the moderating to the mods, ta.

TOMASJ

I think Tim Pat Coogan would make an wonderful President a very knowledgeable and warm individual with a good grasp on the goings on in our country.

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TOMASJ

donegalfella wrote: »

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No a do not think that is fair, nore is the fact (although I am a bit reluctant to state it here in case oscarBravo gives me another infraction) -that because hail from the six countys of Ireland I can not vote for our president.

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cson

donegalfella wrote: »

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Exactly what I'm getting at. Unfortunately I've been the author of this threads downfall myself by usung Adams as an example.

I think having studied it, the aspect I criticise most about the nomination process is that it is very much politically aligned despite the obvious intention for the post to be an apolitical one.

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TOMASJ

donegalfella

The fact that you can't vote for the candidate doesn't mean you can't take an interest in the nominations process and canvass for your candidate of choice. Plenty of Irish people were supporting Barack Obama through the primaries and presidential campaign, for instance, and some were even canvassing for him, even though Irish citizens can't vote in U.S. elections.

Read you post again from Irish citizen from the six countys prospective, Barack Obama was elected in America by Americans,
How many American people were excluded (even those living in foreign countrys) from voting for their president?
I (at the moment) can not vote for Ian Paisley or Gerry Adams if either stand for election to be president in my country.

oscarBravo

TOMASJ wrote: »

How many American people were excluded (even those living in foreign countrys) from voting for their president?

Thousands, for all sorts of reasons.

I (at the moment) can not vote for Ian Paisley or Gerry Adams if either stand for election to be president in my country.

Neither can my brother who lives in London. Them's the rules.

cson

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donegalfella
Read you post again from Irish citizen from the six countys prospective

You must be ordinarily resident in the Republic, thus this would perclude you it seems.

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TOMASJ

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Neither can my brother who lives in London. Them's the rules.

Your brother is living in a foreign country England,You would not expect him to be able to vote while living there, or Iraq or any other foreign land,
I live in Ireland, in the occupied bit and at the moment --(though Sinn Fein are trying to make changes to them rules) have no say in who is elected in my own land of birth.

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oscarBravo

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Your brother is living in a foreign country England,You would not expect him to be able to vote while living there, or Iraq or any other foreign land,
I live in Ireland, in the occupied bit and at the moment --(though Sinn Fein are trying to make changes to them rules) have no say in who is elected in my own land of birth.

You don't live in Ireland, as defined by the constitution and in law for the purposes of determining residency. You can argue about whether or not you'd like that to change, but not in this thread. As it is, your use of the word "occupied" could be construed as a direct breach of the clear instruction I've already given.

TOMASJ

=oscarBravo;58175450]You don't live in Ireland, as defined by the constitution and in law for the purposes of determining residency.

Can you be a bit clearer on what you are stating here, if Ulster is not in Ireland then where do you think or where would you like it to be

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oscarBravo

Was there something unclear about my direct and repeated instruction not to drag this off-topic into a discussion about the politics of Northern Ireland?

For the hard of thinking: that was a rhetorical question. Get back on topic, or get banned.

LordSutch

Michael O'Leary

Bottle_of_Smoke

I wouldn't rule out Gerry getting the nomination.

Now, although most people in the south will generally refuse to vote Sinn Fein under any circumstances, it might be different with Gerry.

He's a very intelligent guy. He's a likable guy. He would be a much more visible president than what we usually get(which is something that annoys a lot of Irish people)

I wouldn't rule it out.

LordSutch

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

He's a very intelligent guy.

:rolleyes:

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

He's a likable guy.

:rolleyes:

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

He would be a much more visible president than what we usually get (which is something that annoys a lot of Irish people)

Oh yes indeed, seeing him on the News as the President of Sinn Fein & the President of Ireland ~ something that would not only annoy a lot of Irish people but would also drive a wedge between the (Orange & Green), I cant honestly think of a more unsuitable 'Presidential' candidate than Adams. apart from Michael Stone.

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

I wouldn't rule it out.

:rolleyes:

Smoke Dream on baby ...................

Hagar

donegalfella wrote: »

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I'd pay good money to see Mary Harney run, just run.

cson

Camelot wrote: »

Michael O'Leary

Funny how every problem Ireland has, be it Health Servic, Public Service etc can be solved by this guy. Where did he acquire this midas touch?

The <insert public service> is gone to the dogs we need Michael O'Leary to sort it out.

It really annoys the shite outta me when I see posts like that.

Bottle_of_Smoke

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:rolleyes: :rolleyes: Oh yes indeed, seeing him on the News as the President of Sinn Fein & the President of Ireland ~ something that would not only annoy a lot of Irish people but would also drive a wedge between the (Orange & Green), I cant honestly think of a more unsuitable 'Presidential' candidate than Adams. apart from Michael Stone.

:rolleyes:

Smoke Dream on baby ...................

Just to be clear I'd leave the country if he got it & live somewhere they think Ireland is still part of the UK. Nice use of roll eye smiley faces for argument, that's never used by people who are full of sh*t. He is intelligent and likable, doesn't mean he's not a terrorist of course.

Erin Go Brath

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And sure why not. Nobody blinks at eye at Nelson Mandela, yet I remember when he and the ANC were listed as terrorists by the Yanks. And I'm only 39.

Indeed! Adams, who played a large part in the peace process and bringing most of the provos with him on the democratic route deserves a lot of praise and respect and would imo be a serious candidate for President.

He probably is too republican for some of the partitionists on these boards though.

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Erin Go Brath

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By one of the following:

* At least twenty members of the Oireachtas
* At least four county or city councils
* Themselves (in the case of an incumbent or former president that has served one term)

cson

Erin Go Brath wrote: »

By one of the following:

* At least twenty members of the Oireachtas
* At least four county or city councils
* Themselves (in the case of an incumbent or former president that has served one term)

Ah, see if you'd read the thread properly you'd see that that is the issue at hand here; the nomination process and the rigidness of it.

Agent Smith

i'd rather **** sand.

Erin Go Brath

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i'd rather **** sand.

Wow, very insightful contribution!

oscarBravo

Erin Go Brath wrote: »

Wow, very insightful contribution!

Likewise.

I'm closing this thread, as there seems to be very little interest in discussing the issue the OP raised, instead (unfortunately) focussing on the thread title.