Right Lane Hoggers

Berty

51.06% undertake. Surprised?

R.O.R

kingtut wrote: »

Undertaking is illegal in Ireland. You may not overtake on the left unless you are in heavy traffic and the traffic in the right hand lane is moving at a slower pace than that in the right.

If the speed limit for the road I am on is 100km/h and I am in the right hand lane overtaking a string of cars and someone comes up behind me in the right hand lane and flashes / beeps etc then I will not budge! If you need to overtake me then it means that you are exceeding the speed limit...if you were matching my speed or doing less than me then you would never end up passing me.

My rule of thumb, if you flash at me for any reason other than to let me know there is something up ahead then I will ignore you. Luckily it has been a long time since anyway flashed me while in the right hand lane..

As for people who do not know how to indicate or who do not bother!!!!! Well that needs another thread......

Can we get a sarcastic "Thanks" button, just for these special people?

cyrusdvirus

kingtut wrote: »

Undertaking is illegal in Ireland. You may not overtake on the left unless you are in heavy traffic and the traffic in the right hand lane is moving at a slower pace than that in the right.

If the speed limit for the road I am on is 100km/h and I am in the right hand lane overtaking a string of cars and someone comes up behind me in the right hand lane and flashes / beeps etc then I will not budge! If you need to overtake me then it means that you are exceeding the speed limit...if you were matching my speed or doing less than me then you would never end up passing me.

My rule of thumb, if you flash at me for any reason other than to let me know there is something up ahead then I will ignore you. Luckily it has been a long time since anyway flashed me while in the right hand lane..

As for people who do not know how to indicate or who do not bother!!!!! Well that needs another thread......

If you are in the right hand lane, and over taking, then fair enough. I think any reasonable driver on here who may or may not be exceeding the 100km/h wouldn't be too bothered once you are overtaking. But as another poster said, it's not your place to police the roads, or to determine what speed I, or anyone else drive's at.

<TOTALLY UNRELATED> A couple of years ago my uncle was driving from outside Cork to Kells in Meath to get to my grandmother on her deathbed. You can imagine that in those circumstances speed limits were regarded more as speed guidelines, which they were. As he was motoring along the clonmel bypass some idiot travelling along with another car decided to block the road by driving side by side at the speed limit. The uncle rang Clonmel gardai, told them the story, and at the end of the dual carraigeway there were 2 bikes. 1 to escort the uncle, the other to have a 'friendly' word with the drivers of the cars.......... The point i'm making is you never know the circumstances of someone elses need to drive above the posted speed limit, so it's advisable not to get in their way. </totally Unrelated>

The poll is asking about those who drive in the right hand lane as a matter of course. I'm going to assume from your post that you don't, even though you do mention that people HAVE IN THE PAST flashed you while in the right hand lane.

Padraig Mor

randomer wrote: »

I had the great experience of seeing a Garda pull over a lane hogger today.

I had the great experience of being caught by a Garda in Cork who hogs the right hand lane of an empty dual carriageway in an unmarked car and waits for people to undertake him.....and does them for dangerous overtaking!

Berty

Padraig Mor wrote: »

I had the great experience of being caught by a Garda in Cork who hogs the right hand lane of an empty dual carriageway in an unmarked car and waits for people to undertake him.....and does them for dangerous overtaking!

Bring along a camera with you and when you see him video him and report him to the Sergeant and failing that the Garda Ombudsman.

Drummerboy08

kingtut wrote: »

Undertaking is illegal in Ireland. You may not overtake on the left unless you are in heavy traffic and the traffic in the right hand lane is moving at a slower pace than that in the right.

If the speed limit for the road I am on is 100km/h and I am in the right hand lane overtaking a string of cars and someone comes up behind me in the right hand lane and flashes / beeps etc then I will not budge! If you need to overtake me then it means that you are exceeding the speed limit...if you were matching my speed or doing less than me then you would never end up passing me.

My rule of thumb, if you flash at me for any reason other than to let me know there is something up ahead then I will ignore you. Luckily it has been a long time since anyway flashed me while in the right hand lane..

As for people who do not know how to indicate or who do not bother!!!!! Well that needs another thread......

Does anyone else think he drives a Nissan Micra?... Why do Nissan Micras ALWAYS stay in the fast lane?

I normally sit in behind a hogger for a few minutes, when they dont get the idea, i usually sit a few inches off their bumper with my fogs on, and failing that they get a nice light display.

Seth Brundle

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Does anyone else think he drives a Nissan Micra?... Why do Nissan Micras ALWAYS stay in the fast lane?

I don't want to harp on about the 'fast lane' but IMO therein lies part of the problem. Many people think that because they are going 'fast' they should use the right hand lane.
They fail to realise that dual carriageways & motorways don't have a 'fast' lane but have 'overtaking' lanes

Jaysoose

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

Does anyone else think he drives a Nissan Micra?... Why do Nissan Micras ALWAYS stay in the fast lane?

I normally sit in behind a hogger for a few minutes, when they dont get the idea, i usually sit a few inches off their bumper with my fogs on, and failing that they get a nice light display.

Was stuck behind a micra going up the M1 a few weeks back when the driver done the compulsory pull out to overtake of the articulated lorry which was half a mile ahead, swear to god the woman took 5 minutes to get up to speed in her little banger and by the time she pulled in there was a line of traffic behind her. Wrecks my head when people will not pull in after their overtaking of the car in front of them because a truck is on the horizon.

Seth Brundle

Whilst it took her ages, in fairness, she had from what you were saying been driving properly by being in the driving lane before overtaking. Presumably, because you don't mention it, she pulled back in afterwards.

Drummerboy08

OK OK.... Thats just my "term" for it so to speak.

I dont go around on the N11 in the "fast"/"overtake"/"outside" lane the whole way down. If i have to go by a car, i use it, if i see nothing ahead in either lane, i always pull back in. If i look ahead and see a few cars moving at a slower speed a few hundred metres up the road, i stay out.

Saruman

Its annoying, im always in the left until i need to overtake someone. If someone is hogging the right hand lane i will just blow past them in the left without needing to change lanes. thats fine on quiet roads but when its busy and im overtaking myself, so in the overtaking lane and someone pulls out in and does not understand that overtaking usually involves going faster than the vehicle you are trying to get past, its very annoying..

Jaysoose

kbannon wrote: »

Whilst it took her ages, in fairness, she had from what you were saying been driving properly by being in the driving lane before overtaking. Presumably, because you don't mention it, she pulled back in afterwards.

She done nothing illegal i should have mentioned that she originally pulled out to overtake a car but done the "I HAVE TO GET PAST THIS TRUCK EVEN THOUGH ITS A MILE AHEAD" thing aswell thus holding people up trying to get her banger up to 120kph without falling apart.

She did eventually pull back in bless her...just thought it was hilarious as i could read her mind at the time.

Jaysoose

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bigpinkelephant

kingtut wrote: »

Undertaking is illegal in Ireland. You may not overtake on the left unless you are in heavy traffic and the traffic in the right hand lane is moving at a slower pace than that in the right.

If the speed limit for the road I am on is 100km/h and I am in the right hand lane overtaking a string of cars and someone comes up behind me in the right hand lane and flashes / beeps etc then I will not budge! If you need to overtake me then it means that you are exceeding the speed limit...if you were matching my speed or doing less than me then you would never end up passing me.

My rule of thumb, if you flash at me for any reason other than to let me know there is something up ahead then I will ignore you. Luckily it has been a long time since anyway flashed me while in the right hand lane..

As for people who do not know how to indicate or who do not bother!!!!! Well that needs another thread......

You sound extremely ignorant of other drivers. It is not your job to police the roads.

biko

I'd wait a while then flash.
If that doesn't work I do a PIT manoeuvre.

kingtut

bigpinkelephant wrote: »

You sound extremely ignorant of other drivers. It is not your job to police the roads.

I am not ignorant. I am not claiming to police the roads, all I am saying is that I am not going to break the speed limit just so that I can get ahead of the stream of traffic on the left when there is someone flashing their lights behind me.

The only instance where I use the right hand lane is to overtake a stream of slow moving cars in the left hand lane. Once I have passed them I pull back into the left hand lane. Any instance where someone has beeped or flashed at me is when I am driving at the speed limit and cannot move into the left hand lane due to there being cars in the left hand lane! My only option of getting out of there way would be to break the speed limit and pass all of the cars even faster and hence I would be breaking the law.

So.....if I am overtaking cars while not exceeding the speed limit, what gives anyone the right to beep at me or flash me? I am only in the lane to overtake and that is it.

NewApproach wrote: »

Its not your job to police the roads though...

I do not police the roads. I drive at the legal speed limit and I am not going to break that speed limit for anyone.

R.O.R wrote: »

Can we get a sarcastic "Thanks" button, just for these special people?

what is wrong with driving lawfully? I do not feel the need to flash or beep at people. Anytime I have been 'stuck' behind someone I wait and keep my distance until they pull in or until I can pull into the left hand lane.

Question to all:

Why is there no 'sit behind them and wait patiently' option? Why do you deem yourself to be suffering when you are behind someone?? No wonder so many people are killed on our roads!
Dangerous drivers, last minute maneouvers, alcohol etc

towel401

kingtut wrote: »

Question to all:

Why is there no 'sit behind them and wait patiently' option? Why do you deem yourself to be suffering when you are behind someone?? No wonder so many people are killed on our roads!
Dangerous drivers, last minute maneouvers, alcohol etc

because there are a lot of easily agitated, stressed out Dubs around the place who automatically despise anything that gets remotely in the way of their idealised vision of a perfect urban lifestyle.

craichoe

Actually sitting behind someone in the overtaking lane makes you a bit of a hypocrit as you should only be there when overtaking. You can't as there is someone in the way so you should keep left and stay behind them.

TBH this makes them look like more of an edjit.

Drummerboy08

towel401 wrote: »

because there are a lot of easily agitated, stressed out Dubs around the place who automatically despise anything that gets remotely in the way of their idealised vision of a perfect urban lifestyle.

Just as well i'm from Wexford then isnt it.

Its not that people get pissed off because they want to speed - its because of the lack of respect shown by other road users. If you sit in the overtake lane doing 80kmph and there is nothing in the left lane, you shouldn't be out there full stop. If someone comes up behind you, you should move over and let them past. Have the respect and decency to pull over and let them by, or dont, and cause a build up of 5, 6, 7 cars and have someone at the back try to dangerously undertake the whole procession.

Might seem like a bit OTT but i have seen it happen SO MANY TIMES its not funny anymore.

cyrusdvirus

kingtut wrote: »

I do not police the roads. I drive at the legal speed limit and I am not going to break that speed limit for anyone.

Read my little 'aside' in my post in this thread. you do not have the right to dictate someone elses speed, especially when you do not know the circumstances of their need to be driving on any particular day

kingtut

craichoe wrote: »

Actually sitting behind someone in the overtaking lane makes you a bit of a hypocrit as you should only be there when overtaking.

I am not a hypocrit. I am only in the fast lane when overtaking! The only reason I end up sitting behind someone in the fast lane is if I am in the slow lane and I want to over take the cars in the slow lane......Therefore I move safely into the fast lane where there are already other cars up ahead....If I approach at a faster speed than them then I will of course end up getting close to them in which case I reduce my speed and wait patiently behind them.

kingtut

gatecrash wrote: »

you do not have the right to dictate someone elses speed, especially when you do not know the circumstances of their need to be driving on any particular day

All I am saying is that I will never drive over the speed limit....So I guess that yes, when I am overtaking in the fast lane I prevent them from exceeding the speed limit. I have no issue with that. I am only ever in the fast lane to over take so I never spend very long in it. Only exception is in very slow rush hour start/stop traffic.

trishasaffron

towel401 wrote: »

because there are a lot of easily agitated, stressed out Dubs around the place who automatically despise anything that gets remotely in the way of their idealised vision of a perfect urban lifestyle.

Agreed.

TBH I despise those who tailgate and flash - even if there is an emergency the difference between travelling at 100 and 120 is tiny when it comes to getting there on time.

While most of the stories here appy only to motorway and dual carriageway I think the aggressive attitudes translate to the single lane country roads. I used to travel to Trim from Dublin and found that once drivers left the N4 they kept up the same behaviour - so while I was keeping to the 60 speed limit on a single lane, twisty road I was frequently and v dangerously tailgated. Probably steroetyping on my part but mostly by young males in vans or golfs. Saw quite a few accidents caused by these guys. TAILGATING IS DANGEROUS FOR EVERYONE.

BTW I drive a large fast car not a micra!

kings mistake

craichoe wrote: »

Actually sitting behind someone in the overtaking lane makes you a bit of a hypocrit as you should only be there when overtaking. You can't as there is someone in the way so you should keep left and stay behind them.

TBH this makes them look like more of an edjit.

If somebody is out in the right lane and the left lane is clear I just stay left and cruise gently past them (at the speed limit), quick look in at them, i.e why are you out there? and continue on. If the only reason I should be in the right lane is to overtake someone in the right lane, surely i'm not the one in the wrong if I just stay left???

whiterebel

kingtut wrote: »

I am not a hypocrit. I am only in the fast lane when overtaking! The only reason I end up sitting behind someone in the fast lane is if I am in the slow lane and I want to over take the cars in the slow lane......Therefore I move safely into the fast lane where there are already other cars up ahead....If I approach at a faster speed than them then I will of course end up getting close to them in which case I reduce my speed and wait patiently behind them.

Nice in theory. Try leaving Dublin with a 3 hour drive ahead of you and the stream of a**holes in the overtaking lane of the M7 at 90/100KPH who WILL NOT pull over. Sit patiently behind them to Cork? I'm entitled to use the lanes and full speed of the motorway too.

Voodoomelon

Like 3 other posters said, the Micra does seem to be a culprit in hogging the overtaking lane!
My mate was stuck behind a Micra doing 90kmph in the OT lane on the M1 for about 5-6 minutes, then did the bad thing and undertook her. He got held up at the tolls (good enough for him) and on exiting, low and behold there was Mrs. Micra again holding up a stream of traffic in the OT lane. Apparently he was flashing his lights with not response whatsoever. He undertook her again after being stuck behind her for another few minutes and for some reason all traffic ground to a crawl about 10 minutes later and she ended up overtaking him again.

Traffic speeded up and surprise surprise there she was again with my mate stuck behind her, with half the country behind him. I couldn't stop laughing when he told me as he was absolutely ripping. The things he did I don't condone but you can't help but put yourself in his shoes and imagine how frustrating it was to see your one every few minutes holding the whole M1 up.

craichoe

whiterebel wrote: »

Nice in theory. Try leaving Dublin with a 3 hour drive ahead of you and the stream of a**holes in the overtaking lane of the M7 at 90/100KPH who WILL NOT pull over. Sit patiently behind them to Cork? I'm entitled to use the lanes and full speed of the motorway too.

Agreed last time i drove in Ireland from Dublin to Cork there was around 8 - 10 cars sitting in the overtaking lane, all of them wanting each other to get out of the way but there was no overtaking of anyone, when we came to lights i was the ONLY car in the slow lane with everyone else jamming up the lane on my right.

GreeBo

I agree with what Kingtut is saying.
The lane is an overtaking lane. If Im overtaking then do I not have as much right to be there as you have, even if you are traveling faster then I am?
We are all agreed thats its not a FAST lane, so the speed you are overtaking at is irrelevant.

Nothing more annoying than they gimp behind you flashing you the second your car passes the car(s) you are overtaking. Im waiting until I see the car in my rear view mirror boys, and you can wait too.

I had the cops do this to me on the M1 a few months ago, no sirens, blue lights nothing, just sitting on my ass and flashing away like a tulip. No road lights so I couldnt get his reg etc unfortunately.

balon

craichoe wrote: »

8 - 10 20-40 cars sitting in the overtaking lane.....

N2 is like this every morning. There is always a stream of cars in the overtaking lane and only the odd car in the left lane.. You're driving along and nobody is pulling back to the left. God knows why - maybe it's the fear of losing the race.... !

Anyway, where does the law sit on this if you happen to undertake this line of cars while maintaining whatever speed you are doing in the left lane? Is it still considered dangerous overtaking? In my view the hoggers are more in the wrong....

Honey-ec

I undertake. Break out the tar and feathers.