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Right Lane Hoggers
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I think you're right too but what do you do when you inevitably find yourself behind a bus / arctic or car driver who's incapable of driving over 55mph in lane one?.
If you think that trucks & busses in this country stick to the 55mph restricted limit then I don't think you spend much time driving on Irish roads
. I have been overtaken (whilst driving at 100kph) by trucks on the N7.If lane two is busy as it invariably is with hoggers, will you wait and overtake correctly and move back into lane one?.
Yep, or slow down to 80kph (or whatever) until I can overtake.And if you are moving along nicely at 100kph with your cruise control
on and you find you are catching up to a middle lane hogger who is happy
enough plodding along at 80kph will you simply remain in lane one and essentially undertake him/her by sailing past in lane one as if the wasnt there.
Yep. I just stay in lane one. Like I have said, I know this isn't the "right" thing to do but in my experience it is the safest and less stressful.
I think another poster warned about the danger of undertaking if the middle lane hogger changes into lane 1 with no warning. This is possible of course but again in my experience these drivers do not move from lane 2 until they leave the road at their junction.
On more occasions than I'd like to count I have been driving in lane 1 and move into lane 2 when I can see a lot of cars entering the N7 from an on ramp, only to be forced into lane 3 by some moron who joins the N7 and swerves directly into lane 2. There's just no changing the mindset of these drivers, they seem to think that lane 2 is "their" lane.
As with so many other situations that a lot of drivers in this country struggle with (correct roundabout use etc) all you can do is have you wits about you and be ready to avoid a collision by driving defensively (sp?)0 -
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It's common practice now for Traffic Corps to pull over lane hoggers while they use the dual carriageways between checkpoints and speed checks. If you're caught, its 2 points for failing to yield and 80 euros.
Ouch.....
The law is keep left unless overtaking. If you've got a good distance before the next car, let someone else pass you if needs be.
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I was a white VAN driver for 5 years and felt under pressure from work to get the work done ASAP. I am sorry to say I used to drive as fast as a transit van could in which ever lane was free at the time. Having growing in years and as a person I still want to get where I am going as safely as I can in the fastest time speed limits and traffic allow. I will always remember a driving programmed on the BBC. Alex Sayle presented it forget the name of it. They tried driving fast & as they could across London. Then they tried it in a relaxed and slow manner after that. They worked out you save about 10min for every hour driven.
If someone is hogging the outside lane try understand that some people live and think in very different ways then other. An old man trying his best to get to Galway but is in fear to go more then 100km/PH or a lady driver who did not cover Motorway driving in her lessons. People’s minds and people driving skill vary a lot and there seems to be a large variation in Ireland yes but they are people too. Maybe if we try the respectful way to everyone. They will learn in time & we will not have to undertake or flash. Maybe when the country gets its road deaths down more time can be spent on getting people to drive not only safe but efferent. 33% of road space is not used because of bad use of both lanes. Bring on the computer driven cars & let us get home faster & safer.
Safe & happy driving people 0 -
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To answer the original question.
- Approach them from behind (ooh matron) at such a high speed that they feel if they don't pull in they will get smacked
- Tailgate
- Undertake without indicating
- Swerve back out in front of them without indicating as close as I can manage without risking clipping them
- Carry on
Probably the least offensive thing I could manage would be to flash them or indicate... but I find that most times if I wait around to do this, I'll miss by 'undertaking' gap. 0 -
Jabberwocky wrote: »To answer the original question.
- Approach them from behind (ooh matron) at such a high speed that they feel if they don't pull in they will get smacked
- Tailgate
- Undertake without indicating
- Swerve back out in front of them without indicating as close as I can manage without risking clipping them
- Carry on
Probably the least offensive thing I could manage would be to flash them or indicate... but I find that most times if I wait around to do this, I'll miss by 'undertaking' gap.
problem is that undertaking is more dangerous than the original lane hogging. Imagine the scenario when you are going to undertake someone who is hogging the lane, then someone behind you has decided to undertake you and they are approaching at speed, you decide to undertake and in the meantime the guy who is hogging the outside land decides to move to the inside lane !!! Receipe for disaster I think.
If we all stay in the left lane and only move out of it to overtake then that is the simple solution.0 -
If we all stay in the left lane and only move out of it to overtake then that is the simple solution.
Oh did I laugh when I saw this. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
Its all good and well but the numpties who do it never read these threads, never listen to the ads on the radio and never watch the educational videos on the TV.
They are all just bitter having bought houses in the satellite towns outside Dublin and scream, bitch and bull their way into work every day.0 -
Well on the M50 at peak times, both lanes are generally full, so it doesn't make a difference there anyway
I have my full license less than a year at this stage, so the rules of the road are still fresh enough in my mind. I was quite shocked actually when I got behind the wheel on motorways as to how much drivers actually don't know the rules. I have obviously been a passenger in the past and have witnessed my driver's frustrations, but its only when you are doing it yourself that its that more obvious to you.
I've done a couple of long motorway trips since getting my license. M4 going over towards Roscommon during the summer and M7, M1 etc... and it is quite obvious that we have a serious issue with over-taking lane hoggers and most of the time the offender is blatantly unaware of their offence!
I was actually driving over in Finland during the summer and it was so much less stressful driving on their motorways. The rules were well abided by all drivers....
Over-taking lane hoggers do annoy me quite a bit actually. My tactics are generally as follows:
- Approach the offending car. If they move over, then great. If not:
- One flash of the lights. If no movement they'll get a second (obviously if there is a car in the driving lane and they can't move over right away, I won't be as aggressive with the flashing)
- If 2 flashes pass and they don't move, they'll get a 3rd long flash combined with the horn.
I won't undertake as I actually saw a nasty accident resulting from this, so I've always been wary of undertaking and obviously its legality.
It is hilarious though when they do eventually pull over, the look of bemusement on their face to why you were flashing them and then they pull back out into the over-taking lane
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Jabberwocky wrote: »Look, that was said somwhat tongue in cheek... it's obviously not my default reaction to every lane hogging situation I come across... :cool:
Re: your point about my undertaking being more dangerous... that's where those of us who are blessed with the ability show awareness on the road (i.e. what each lane is for) can safely determine the best course of action for each different situation we face. I'm not going to undertake without checking my mirror. If there is someone steaming up behind me, I'm not going to risk pulling across lanes without warning. Also, I am going to look carefully at the driver in front and try to anticipate what he may or may not do before I swing on the inside of him. If I get the sense he is freaked or is liable to panic swerve out of my way I won't do it. But if I know that he knows I'm there... and belligerently sticks his ground and locks his head dead ahead, it's safe to assume we will avoid a collision. Either way, once I make my move, I'm going to be past him before he knows anything about it.
You see, (and here comes a generalisation... and something which may sound ridiculous)... I would wager that most people who others [those that lack said awareness] consider 'crazy' drivers and those who confidently make manoeuvres on the road which others might find aggressive or dangerous, could be considered students of the art of driving and or the rules of the road. People who undertake, while you may call them reckless or nutcases, at the very least demonstrate an understanding of how things are supposed to work. Personally speaking I would feel safer in a car with one of these people than the type of people who don't give driving the care, attention or repect it deserves. I think if you're not stressed when driving in Ireland then you're not paying enough attention.
I hear ye, to be honest I've had to take the odd inside lane myself
after spending 10 minutes behind a lane hogger. Having flashed my lights repeatedly at them to move over. I guess in that kind of situation, there isn't much else you can do.
But the point still stands that it is dangerous and there are a lot of less aware people who do it. If the outside land hoggers are not targeted by govt. adverts, then the inside lane overtaking will become the norm and with more and more people doing it then we'll have more accidents.
I'm originally from da North and find that here, the road safety adverts are not hard hitting enough. We're used to seeing adverts where little is left to the imagination with regards causes of accidents.
The govt. need to take the kid gloves off and scare people into driving a bit better.
Ahhh, that feels good. Been looking to rant on about that for ages...
thanks you've been a great audience.:)0 -
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if there's a lane hogger in front of me and he's totally oblivious to my flashing, tailgating, weaving and horn honking then I can be pretty sure he doesn't even know that there is an empty lane to the left of him and will be staying put exactly where he/she is by the time i actually get to blood boiling point and pass him on the left, just as sure as I am that he's not even going to notice me shouting and giving him the finger out of my side window as I pass. all i can hope is that as i swerve out again directly after passing him that some spark of recognition might register in that lobotomised hamster turd he calls a brain that maybe he might possibly be maybe doing something a tiny bit wrong.
of course at that point I make an effort to indicate left directly after this and pull in, hoping that it might cause a second spark or recognition and the offending hogger might figure out what he's supposed to be doing.
of course it doesn't always go like that, normally they see me coming and realise i'm a lot bigger than they are and move out of the way. it's so much easier now that i don't have a fiesta any more, it's a lot easier to be imposing. 0 -
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