Man Utd V Sunderland (5.30)

anonymous_joe

Awful game, but what an ending.

delija_sever029

Vidic you feckin serbian legend!!!:pac:

You made me proud dude:D

titan18

titan18 wrote: »

what i mean is that even though it was an intentional handball, he wasn't trying to get an advantage with it, its clear that he heard something and stopped playing, why else would he do it?As stupid as he is, he ain't that stupid.

I take it all back, Ronaldo is an idiot, who i hope never plays for us again after that. That was disgraceful and if Ferguson has any balls, he'll kill him. Time to get him out of the club and if we can throw Nani and Berbatov out as well, we'll be in much better shape.

Bateman

The irony is that if United decide to cash in on Ronaldo next month, they might not get as much for him as they would have done 6 months ago.

jesus_thats_gre

Bateman wrote: »

The irony is that if United decide to cash in on Ronaldo next month, they might not get as much for him as they would have done 6 months ago.

They will still get more than enough to buy two world class players. I also believe that once they figure out how to play without him, they will be a far better team. The fact that a team with so much talent can struggle without him is an indication of how negative an influence Ronaldo is.

Nalz

Bateman wrote: »

The irony is that if United decide to cash in on Ronaldo next month, they might not get as much for him as they would have done 6 months ago.

oh the irony

Headshot

Bateman wrote: »

Have to love all the fuss about this Rafael kid, when he was playing at full-back against a team who posed no attacking threat whatsoever.

you dont watch much united games:rolleyes:

Boggles

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

They will still get more than enough to buy two world class players. I also believe that once they figure out how to play without him, they will be a far better team. The fact that a team with so much talent can struggle without him is an indication of how negative an influence Ronaldo is.

Jesus I really have heard it all now. :rolleyes:

Bateman

Been at two this season and seen plenty more on the TV, I honestly don't get the fuss. But your wit has swayed me. Rafael for Ireland. :rolleyes:

Bateman

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

They will still get more than enough to buy two world class players. I also believe that once they figure out how to play without him, they will be a far better team. The fact that a team with so much talent can struggle without him is an indication of how negative an influence Ronaldo is.

Negative influence? If he hadn't been in the team last season, how many trophies would they have won apart from the two that they did win (in no small part due to his goals)?

Headshot

Bateman wrote: »

Been at two this season and seen plenty more on the TV, I honestly don't get the fuss. But your wit has swayed me. Rafael for Ireland. :rolleyes:

first he's only 18

yes he still has to learn more about defending
but last week game against city he controlled Robino

he's attacking display this season has really been brilliant

eg when Raf came on against arsenal he really was a dangerman and even manage to score a great goal

Bateman

Fair enough, I missed the Arsenal game and slept through most of the City game, and they're big games. Games like tonight are all about him just getting more experience though, Ferguson knew Sunderland would't pose an attacking threat so put him in to get more experience. I would imagine the jury is still out on whether or not he is the future first choice.

Also, on his "attacking display". Bosingwa's attacking has been hugely impressive this season, but that doesn't change the fact that he's been at fault for crucial goals conceded in crucial games.

Jazzy

tits. well played by sunderland to hold on for so long tho.

UnitedIrishman

How crucial could that goal be in the title race? Get in there Nemanja. I remember United visiting Fulham two years ago when we were fairly well clear at the top and Ronaldo scored a great goal with two minutes to go to put us nine clear. If we're lifting the trophy next May this could be the game to look back on.

Sunderland did everything they could in fairness and to be honest I'd do the same in their shoes against a team like United.

Rafael is coming on leaps and bounds, he's almost pushing himself into first choice right back at the minute. He's superb in the air already and not afraid to put himself about - his two tough tackles in a row to provide possession for Rooney got the crowd going.

Mr.Nice Guy

Bateman wrote: »

Negative influence? If he hadn't been in the team last season, how many trophies would they have won apart from the two that they did win (in no small part due to his goals)?

Aren't you forgetting a certain drama-filled summer which was started by the muppet calling for a move to Madrid?

As a United fan it's clear to me from looking at him since that episode he is proving a negative influence. He lost the head last week, did the same thing a few weeks ago when he made his 'I'm the best' gestures to away fans and was looking out for his own interests today as well.

You can only make apologies for the guy for so long. If he keeps this up he will be on the way out because history shows Fergie doesn't like it when players give him headaches, regardless of their ability or reputation.

Personally, if he went in January I'd shed no tears.

Denis Irwin

What a f***ing legend.

Mr. Presentable

"My greatest challenge is not what's happening at the moment, my greatest challenge was knocking Liverpool right off their f***ing perch. And you can print that" - Sir Alex Ferguson.

It's an odd sig, that. How, exactly has this come to pass? I am as anti-Liverpool as any right minded person, but I still cannot see WTF you mean by having this sig. Seriously, five times champions of Europe.

Bobalicious93

Is that a tear I see in his eye? No, it's molten liquid Titanium

delija_sever029

:pac: :pac: :pac:

Denis Irwin

nipplenuts wrote: »

"My greatest challenge is not what's happening at the moment, my greatest challenge was knocking Liverpool right off their f***ing perch. And you can print that" - Sir Alex Ferguson.

It's an odd sig, that. How, exactly has this come to pass? I am as anti-Liverpool as any right minded person, but I still cannot see WTF you mean by having this sig. Seriously, five times champions of Europe.

Fergie was referring back to when he originally took over at United in 1986 when Liverpool were the dominating force in the Domestic game and United hadn't won a league title in nearly 20 years. ie that his challenge when he took over was to make United the dominating force English football once more which as we all know from the past 16 years he's done so.

keane2097

Bateman wrote: »

Fair enough, I missed the Arsenal game and slept through most of the City game, and they're big games. Games like tonight are all about him just getting more experience though, Ferguson knew Sunderland would't pose an attacking threat so put him in to get more experience. I would imagine the jury is still out on whether or not he is the future first choice.

Then that's quite an imagination you've got there...

ntlbell

Bateman wrote: »

Have to love all the fuss about this Rafael kid, when he was playing at full-back against a team who posed no attacking threat whatsoever.

yup what's robino?

a bar of chocolate?

Mr. Presentable

Denis Irwin wrote: »

Fergie was referring back to when he originally took over at United in 1986 when Liverpool were the dominating force in the Domestic game and United hadn't won a league title in nearly 20 years. ie that his challenge when he took over was to make United the dominating force English football once more which as we all know from the past 16 years he's done so.

Ah, right so, we only count titles in the last 16 years. Oddly, there was a time when Sunderland were the team to beat

Look, when Sir AF can show his sides have 19 titles your sig will mean something. As a Leeds fan, I'll gladly choke

Denis Irwin

Bateman wrote: »

Have to love all the fuss about this Rafael kid, when he was playing at full-back against a team who posed no attacking threat whatsoever.

I'm assuming you didn't see the Arsenal game then :rolleyes:

keane2097

ntlbell wrote: »

yup what's robino?

a bar of chocolate?

Lols - you're a rayshist!

ntlbell

keane2097 wrote: »

Lols - you're a rayshist!

eh how?

keane2097

ntlbell wrote: »

eh how?

Eh you're not really, I was just making a funny... sorry...

ntlbell

keane2097 wrote: »

Eh you're not really, I was just making a funny... sorry...

ye wrecked me milky bar joke

keane2097

ntlbell wrote: »

ye wrecked me milky bar joke

Hang on, we can try it again - nobody will notice!

ntlbell wrote: »

yup what's robino?

a bar of chocolate?

Lols - you're a rayshist!

ntlbell

nope it's ruined

keane2097

ntlbell wrote: »

nope it's ruined

Damn...

lordgoat

nipplenuts wrote: »

Ah, right so, we only count titles in the last 16 years. Oddly, there was a time when Sunderland were the team to beat

Look, when Sir AF can show his sides have 19 titles your sig will mean something. As a Leeds fan, I'll gladly choke

Leeds? Never heard of em... Is 19 some kind of magic number? How many managers have won 10? Would you like some more lemons?

Michael Carrick was a class act again today, his passing off either foot is outstanding. I can only remember one misplaced football today. How he isn't being considered for england is bizarre.

roryc

nipplenuts wrote: »

Ah, right so, we only count titles in the last 16 years. Oddly, there was a time when Sunderland were the team to beat

Look, when Sir AF can show his sides have 19 titles your sig will mean something. As a Leeds fan, I'll gladly choke

what a stupid comment... he has a DIRECT QUOTE from Fergie in his sig, why does this bother you?

It was said years ago, and I can't see how anyone can disagree with it. Liverpool were the dominant force in English domestic football in the 80's when Fergie took over, and he said he wanted to 'knock Liverpool off their f***ing perch' or something to that effect. United have clearly been the dominant force in English domestic football in the 90's and this decade.

How can you argue this... again, why does this bother you?

gl with this 'leeds' crowd :P

justfortherecor

It's hard not to love the guy. A true red.

mayordenis

justfortherecor wrote: »

It's hard not to love the guy. A true red.

It's a great celebration I'll give him that.

Jazzy

yup. vidic is better then sliced bread. forget ferdinand, the reason why hes good. hes good because he wears a man utd jersey, its that simple

jesus_thats_gre

nipplenuts wrote: »

"My greatest challenge is not what's happening at the moment, my greatest challenge was knocking Liverpool right off their f***ing perch. And you can print that" - Sir Alex Ferguson.

It's an odd sig, that. How, exactly has this come to pass? I am as anti-Liverpool as any right minded person, but I still cannot see WTF you mean by having this sig. Seriously, five times champions of Europe.

As a Liverpool fan, I can confirm that Fergie achieved his goal. It is obvious that he has an intense hatred for everything Liverpool. He obviously has a professional respect for the club but he is United through and through.

I obviously dislike the man but also can't help but respect his achievements and can't wait for the the day that he retires.

I am not surprised in the slighest that United fans lap that sort of stuff up either.

Jazzy

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

I am not surprised in the slighest that United fans lap that sort of stuff up either.

same, its extremely easy to hate. just like its extremely easy to follow wat is apparantly right. perhaps why this forum is devoted to liverpool vs. utd.
its a need, a want - the development of ppl wanting to be better then wats around them. most put up the illusion that there is some sort of actual connection or reason, really its a built in instinct of not wanting to fail, to be wrong. roll dice all u want and tell me im wrong, prove the paranoia

delija_sever029

justfortherecor wrote: »

It's hard not to love the guy. A true red.

Yep,thats a movement learned in Serbia, called "enter the club and smash them all away"

PHB

{(-_-)}HeadShoT** wrote: »

3 points

taught Ronaldo's display was awful tonight and just kicking the ball out while Raf was running down the line was a disgrace

he should be fined and a good talking to

Raf is getting better and better
he still needs some help with the defending but he was brilliant today
another thing i learned about Raf,he really has a good spring on him for the headers, very impressed

Ronneys tackle for the yellow card was so stupid,why tackle when your 1 up in extra time
im not so disappointed about him missing the spurs games

its time for tevez to step up and dislodge Ronney

What are you on about?

A. Rooney's display yesterday was fantastic. Him getting booked at the end was a testament to his team playing nature. He fouled him to stop any chance at all of a counter attack.

Why tackle when your 1 nil up in extra time? To keep it that way!

B. Ronaldo had a bad injury, possibly a broken rib, we're not sure yet. He saw Anderson about to come on. He needed to let the bench know he couldn't continue before the sub was made. Its just common sense that he puts the ball out of play so that we can get the fit people on and make sure we don't mess up a sub.

herbieflowers

what did Ronaldo do that was so awful? (didn't see the game / highlights)

genericgoon

PHB wrote: »

What are you on about?

A. Rooney's display yesterday was fantastic. Him getting booked at the end was a testament to his team playing nature. He fouled him to stop any chance at all of a counter attack.

Why tackle when your 1 nil up in extra time? To keep it that way!

B. Ronaldo had a bad injury, possibly a broken rib, we're not sure yet. He saw Anderson about to come on. He needed to let the bench know he couldn't continue before the sub was made. Its just common sense that he puts the ball out of play so that we can get the fit people on and make sure we don't mess up a sub.

Tbh, Ronaldo didn't look right to me all match. Much more laboured than usual. I've also seen him limping a few times during games aswell recently. I'm starting to wonder whether he has been able to fully recover from the injury he sustained in the summer tbh or whether hes picked up a niggling injury recently.

RasTa

I do love some of redcafe's gif's.

keane2097

Jazzy wrote: »

same, its extremely easy to hate. just like its extremely easy to follow wat is apparantly right. perhaps why this forum is devoted to liverpool vs. utd.
its a need, a want - the development of ppl wanting to be better then wats around them. most put up the illusion that there is some sort of actual connection or reason, really its a built in instinct of not wanting to fail, to be wrong. roll dice all u want and tell me im wrong, prove the paranoia

What!?


:pac:

LuckyLloyd

PHB wrote: »

A. Rooney's display yesterday was fantastic. Him getting booked at the end was a testament to his team playing nature. He fouled him to stop any chance at all of a counter attack.

Why tackle when your 1 nil up in extra time? To keep it that way!

100% agree. That was a very clever foul. Demonstrated that he has a good football brain and is tuned in at all times.

gosplan

genericgoon wrote: »

Tbh, Ronaldo didn't look right to me all match. Much more laboured than usual. I've also seen him limping a few times during games aswell recently. I'm starting to wonder whether he has been able to fully recover from the injury he sustained in the summer tbh or whether hes picked up a niggling injury recently.

Honestly, and I'm really not trying to cause any controversy with this, I think his heart's already in Madrid.

He was injured yesterday but he didn't look happy throughout the game. Given the enormous talent he has, he'll still bang in a load of goals and change his fair share of games but I don't think he'll hit the heights of last year in a Man Utd shirt again.

It's disgusting from Madrid but unsettling players is what they do. Ronaldo has achieved everything possible at Utd - bar winning the same trophies for a second time. He want's to move on at some point and Madrid, unscrupulous lot that they are, have basically put that in the forefront of
his mind. Obviously, United don't need the cash and don't want to be bullied but I think that looking back in a few years, forcing Madrid's hand last year and demanding an insanely large fee would have been the correct thing to do.

And to all those who say that English players are way overvalued. When you speak about Anton Ferdinand and Bentley, you're probably right but when you look at the amount that Utd spent on Rooney, Carrick and Rio, the price tag reflects the fact that these players will never leave the club while they're still good enough for the first team.