Talkin' 'bout a revolution.

Overheal

Are you sure? Because by the sounds of it you want us to come to your rescue, overthrow Harney, and then occupy your country for an obscene length of time for apparently no reason.

Theres been plenty of protest ignored in Dublin. Im thinking coup d'etait. We'll make them choke on a carpet bomb of tainted irish sausage rolls

4zn76tysfajdxp

Terry wrote: »

It's not.
I'm just looking for some support for this.

You have mine but I don't live in Dublin so I can't really join in.

Terry wrote: »

I've already asked for people who can write speeches and people who are willing to give public speeches.

Get Pighead to do it.

Jules

*pictures Terry and Pighead on the steps of The Dail.. Both chanting in the third person.. or second or chanting the way pighead talks!

hehehehehe

Overheal

Jules wrote: »

*pictures Terry and Pighead on the steps of The Dail.. Both chanting in the third person.. or second or chanting the way pighead talks!

hehehehehe

A floating pigs head and a starfleet logo. together at last.

Saibh

Jules wrote: »

*pictures Terry and Pighead on the steps of The Dail.. Both chanting in the third person.. or second or chanting the way pighead talks!

hehehehehe

can't thank jules

terry, are you organising the buses, trains etc for this momentous occasion

ejmaztec

There's an eerie coincidence about all of this. In English history, several hundred years, there was a guy called Wat Tyler who led a peasants' revolt.

It's obvious what tiler's going to lead this one.:pac:

Terry

Maci Salty Sportsman wrote: »

You have mine but I don't live in Dublin so I can't really join in.



Get Pighead to do it.

All you have to do is get people together and march on your local council office.

you don't need to be in Dublin to join in.

Start your own protest.

Terry

Saibh wrote: »

can't thank jules

terry, are you organising the buses, trains etc for this momentous occasion

http://www.buseireann.ie/
http://irishrail.ie/home/
http://www.dublinbus.ie/home/


Organisaton done.

Ruu_Old

Lets just complain on a message board instead and shake our fists. Shake them hard, very hard!

I'm in anyway.

Overheal

dont forget jjkavanaugh. im sure theres others

4zn76tysfajdxp

Terry wrote: »

All you have to do is get people together and march on your local council office.

you don't need to be in Dublin to join in.

Start your own protest.

Maybe I will Terry, maybe I will.

Terry

Ruu wrote: »

Lets just complain on a message board instead and shake our fists. Shake them hard, very hard!

I'm in anyway.

I have a rant to go with that when I sober up.
It has to do with the amount of threads here with people complaining about the recession, the price of houses, the price of food, people buying stuff up North and so forth.

I try to get people to do something about it and all I get are sarcastic posts and general apathy.

I've sent a link to this thread to RTE, TV3, The Sun and the star (the two biggest selling papers in the country, whether you like it or not).

With all the whining and bitching I have seen here for the past few months, I would expect at least some support for this.

FFS, that scientology bollox got more support than this and that was just a waste of time.

All I'm trying to do is get some people together to get rid of the current government, try to make them take some responsibility for the mess they have this country in, try to get Harney out of government for her treatment of the elderly (some of you will actually live past the age of 70 and may ned a medical card) and try to just get people motivated enough to make a difference in the country.


Boards.ie is not a political organisation and I take complete responsiblity for this thread and any consequences that may arise from it.

That this thread is stickied is my doing and a complete abuse of my power as a moderator of After Hours.

cornbb

What would be the point in calling a general election? Our muppet of an electorate would just vote Fianna Fail in again!

Terry

cornbb wrote: »

What would be the point in calling a general election? Our muppet of an electorate would just vote Fianna Fail in again!

So you would rather sit there and do nothing instead of trying to make a change?

I have no agenda here.
I just want the government to know that there are people who want action taken to improve the current financial crisis.

I don't expect miracles. I don't expect the government to call a general election in the morning.
I just want them to know that the people are not happy with the current regime and want something done.

MizzLolly

Will there really be free hats?

ShooterSF

Ah Terry you do have support in this. Most of us were just in AH humour mode. Now switching to serious pissed off mode.

I agree with the idea here and what's worse is people who say sure the other crowd would be worse. Fair enough but atleast we'll let them know if you can't do a half arsed job you'll be out on said ass and other's will be in. Might be an incentive.

Orange69

In many ways Ireland is similar to Zimbabwe, the Zimbabwe of Europe if you will. Even if the country descended in chaos, famine and hyperinflation nothing would be done about it by the greater population. Terms such as:

"Ah sure i know he is corrupt and incompetent but he got my dad the medical card so ill vote for him!"

"Didnt he get the council to put in the footpath there in 1992, hes the only one who ever got anything done for us"

"I know people are dying in the streets and the economy has collapsed but sure the opposition who haven't been in power since before i was born aren't any better"

"Dig outs are a perfectly acceptable part of modern Irish politics"

And so on as nauseum.

IMO there are a couple of options if you are really agast at the state of Ireland the lack of vision and competence shown by the political party in power.

1). Vote against Fianna Fail and hope that the Fianna Gael/Labour government, if they ever get in, wont turn out as incompetent. There is a 95% chance that they will.

2). If you have the qualifications you can bite the bullet and emigrate, like generations before you, to a first world country.

The problem in Ireland isn't just the government its the attitude of the people and the cultural norms. I don't think this will ever change.

SimpleSam06

Orange69 wrote: »

I don't think this will ever change.

Tell that to anyone trying to get a job over the next few years.

Sully

Christ anybody (well, within reason) would be better then this current shower who seem to have little interest or mentality to deal quickly with a country falling to pieces around us. I think people made a mistake voting FF in again (tho, I know it was relatively close with the FG/Labour thing).

Need verrry big numbers and lots of press to get anywhere with this. Otherwise you will be like a drop in the ocean.

Go Terry Go!

Terry

MizzLolly wrote: »

Will there really be free hats?

Re-read the post.
It said "Free hat".

Orange69 wrote: »

In many ways Ireland is similar to Zimbabwe, the Zimbabwe of Europe if you will. Even if the country descended in chaos, famine and hyperinflation nothing would be done about it by the greater population. Terms such as:

"Ah sure i know he is corrupt and incompetent but he got my dad the medical card so ill vote for him!"

"Didnt he get the council to put in the footpath there in 1992, hes the only one who ever got anything done for us"

Local councils are the worst for this.
Think of it as RTE radio.
There are lots of complaints here about Pat Kenny and Gerry Ryan. The problem being that they are only complaints.
most of the other people respond with "ah sure, who else is better?"
More apathy.

"I know people are dying in the streets and the economy has collapsed but sure the opposition who haven't been in power since before i was born aren't any better"

Again, more apathy.
You really are hitting the nail on the head and i wish more people thought the same way as you do.

"Dig outs are a perfectly acceptable part of modern Irish politics"

Dear Irish people; did outs are not acceptable. Get up off your collective arses and make a life for yourselves.
Stop relying on others to help you out of the hole you dug for yourself.
Nobody forced you to buy that $750,000 house.
nobody forced you to take out a second mortgage to buy that €40,000 people carrier when you only have one child.

IMO there are a couple of options if you are really aghast at the state of Ireland the lack of vision and competence shown by the political party in power.

1). Vote against Fianna Fail and hope that the Fianna Gael/Labour government, if they ever get in, wont turn out as incompetent. There is a 95% chance that they will.

We can only hope they make some changes.
It's worth a try and hopefully they will not spend tax money on haircuts.

2). If you have the qualifications you can bite the bullet and emigrate, like generations before you, to a first world country.

A sad, but inevitable thing.
When the Celtic tiger was at its height we were crying out for those 80's migrants to return. Now we can't get rid of them fast enough.

The problem in Ireland isn't just the government its the attitude of the people and the cultural norms. I don't think this will ever change.

I'm hoping it will change and that people will join me in front of the Dail and hopefully force the current government out of office.

Voodu Child

A march, awesome, gonna loot me some new runners and blame it on Terry

Daftendirekt

This is a great idea.

I'm afraid I won't be much help, being in work and whatnot, but best of luck. Nice to see someone doing something other than whinging.

Terry

Daftendirekt wrote: »

This is a great idea.

I'm afraid I won't be much help, being in work and whatnot, but best of luck. Nice to see someone doing something other than whinging.

Come over at lunch time.

Nehaxak

I'd come down on either Monday (8th or 15th) at lunchtime, take an extended lunch and use flexitime for it. Can't give up a day of work for it though. Things are tough enough as it is.

What time are you protesting at ?

Would be worthwhile running a concurrent poll of what party people would be thinking to vote for also, given the general feeling of the public (not just on boards btw) - I'm getting the strong feeling there's an awful lot of people these days who'd be willing to vote this government out.

KnifeWRENCH

I like our Government.


/runs

Bob the Builder

Can't guarantee my presence. Down in westport, may not be arsed going to school, may just get the train up and stumble around dublin with a map in my hand.

And sure, terry may be drunk, but hell is he making a lot of sense.

If I'm there, I can talk about the education side of things. Being a sixteen year old who's already been interviewed on a radio station in the north west about the cuts, I have a fair bit of it in my head.

I'll spread the word to the locals around westport and the few people around mayo that I know, but i need a derfinite date and assembly time. and the more notice --> the more people I can get to go.

I FULLY support this terry.

nobodythere

Do you not have some sort of political manifesto thingy...

Gimme a lift to dublin and hire someone to do my exams for me. Then I'll think about it.

watty

What we need is a new Policy driven party manned and Womened by honest people more interested in helping the Country & Electorate than their Egos's and Pocketses. It needs a mix of visionaries and pragmatic Technocrats, Arts Educated and Science Educated. Very few "Business Studies"/Marketing "Captains of Industry"and Lawyer types. Maybe one lawyer of type that takes on the Establishment and/or Europe for sake of one downtrodden Woman who can't pay.

Rather than "perceived votes"/"vested interests" and "personality" parties we have now.

No point in ANY general elections inside next few years unless real alternative breaks forth.

javaboy

watty wrote: »

What we need is a new Policy driven party manned and Womened by honest people more interested in helping the Country & Electorate than their Egos's and Pocketses. It needs a mix of visionaries and pragmatic Technocrats, Arts Educated and Science Educated. Very few "Business Studies"/Marketing "Captains of Industry"and Lawyer types. Maybe one lawyer of type that takes on the Establishment and/or Europe for sake of one downtrodden Woman who can't pay.

Rather than "perceived votes"/"vested interests" and "personality" parties we have now.

No point in ANY general elections inside next few years unless real alternative breaks forth.

I like your manifesto. Put it to the testo.

SimpleSam06

watty wrote: »

Very few "Business Studies"/Marketing

These people know how to make people do things in large numbers.

watty wrote: »

"Captains of Industry"

Business pays for everything else, without exception. You can't take the money and not let them have a say.

watty wrote: »

and Lawyer types.

Yes, advisory role only.

watty wrote: »

No point in ANY general elections inside next few years unless real alternative breaks forth.

grasshopa wrote: »

Do you not have some sort of political manifesto thingy...

I posted this before in AH, didn't get any realistic objections, so here we go again... (note I am not advocating trying to piggy back this on the protest, its just food for thought)

What I would do is:
Step 1:
Go on a rampage through the public sector, cutting off dead weight left and right without fear or favour. The problem with beaurocracies is that eventually the people that rise to the top end up caring more about the organisation than about the organisation's goals, so start at the top and work your way down. Healthcare reform, top of the agenda.

The unions would protest, weep, and threaten to bring the country to its knees (and they could do it too), so they (public sector unions) need to be broken good and hard. I'm thinking along the lines of eminent domain for threatening the country, do your jobs or go to prison. Harsh yes, but needed, the purpose of the public sector is to support and maintain the nation, not the other way round.

That would more or less help the economy to break even so, then we move along to

Step 2:

Finance and build eight or ten world class educational institutions, with a difference, which is that they would be quite specialised. I'm think along the lines of

• Marine engineering and technology- We are an island ffs
• Chip fabrication- Chip fabs are high expense but low ongoing cost, and there is no reason we couldn't do it as well as people in Taiwan
• Robotics and Automation- If you want to compete with slave labour conditions in the third world, you need free labour, to whit automation
• Pharmaceuticals- Again another soft market, once you have the result you can reproduce it for half nothing
• Bioengineering- Biofuel algae, marine life, hydroponics, the list goes on and on
• Materials science- SOme very interesting things going on in this field at the moment
• Energy physics- Batteries and supercapacitors, these will be vital components no matter what happens in the future
• Cultural and artistic- We have a rich culturaltradition here, which needs to be developed centrally, and turned into tourist bobs as well as reflected in a variety of ways throughout society
• Software and media- More high initial cost, low ongoing cost industries, also vital for marketing for any other industries founded

Plus a few others.

The mandate of these institutions would be not just to educate but to research. Also they would provide a massive cash boost to any town or city they are placed in, ongoing.

Step 3:
While your institutions are being built and start pumping out graduates, the overall aim of government would be to improve infrastructure, roads, rail, electricity, telecomms, basics like water, and generally prepare for industrial growth.

You can then create and fund domestic industries for each group, much more private than semi state, and each of those would then lead directly on to subsidiary industries, and so on.

I am aware that a plan like this would put us badly in the hole to the tune of tens of billions, but we're going there anyway, so we may as well get something out of it. Not to mention that if even one or two of these groups successfully produce industries, we'll have that paid back smartly.