Calculating Christmas bank holidays

oneweb

I'm working on something that'll list all Bank Holidays for a given year.

I haven't found an authoritive source to determine Irish Christmas Holidays. I've found various information on UK holidays but they do some dates differently.

ipso.ie has a pdf
http://www.ipso.ie/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=215&Itemid=198


I know if Christmas Day or St. Stephen's Day are at the weekend, the following working days are holidays - but I can't figure out the exact logic. Can anyone help or point me to some reliable source, please?

For example December 2008
25th (Thu) Bank Hol
26th (Fri) Bank Hol
29th (Mon) Bank Hol

2009
25th (Fri) Bank Hol
26th (Sat) Bank Hol
28th (Mon) Bank Hol
29th (Tue) Bank Hol

2010
25th (Sat)
26th (Sun)
27th (Mon) Bank Hol
28th (Tue) Bank Hol
29th (Wed) Bank Hol

brettmirl

Public holidays falling on a weekend

Where a public holiday falls on a weekend, you do not have any automatic legal entitlement to have the next working day off work. This occurred in 2005 when Christmas Day (25 December) fell on a Sunday. (New Year's Day 2006 also fell on a Sunday). This meant that Tuesday 27 December 2005 and Monday 2 January 2006 were not public holidays. When this happens you are entitled to the normal alternative arrangements concerning employment and public holidays that is:

A paid day off within a month of the public holiday
An additional day of annual leave
An additional day's pay
The nearest church holiday to the public holiday as a paid day off.
Your employer can require you to attend work on those days.

Source - http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/employment/employment-rights-and-conditions/leave-and-holidays/public-holidays-in-ireland

Also, the Irish Banking Federation says:

The Irish Payment Services Organisation (IPSO) maintains a list of bank holidays in Ireland on its website.

There are nine public holidays, as prescribed by the Organisation of Working Time Act, 1997. The National Employment Rights Authority website provides details of public holidays and holiday entitlement.

Not sure, if you are after Bank Holidays or Public Holidays, but hopefully the info above will help a bit.

sam34

mon 29th isnt a bank holiday this year. not sure if its a public holiday- i dont get them off so i dont keep track of the dates. the bank hols over christmas are 25th and 26th, or next working days, and 1st jan or next working day.

IsThatSo?

The 27th (or next working day) is a day of privelidge for the likes of Banks, Civil Service etc, but not a bank holiday

GerardKeating

sam34 wrote: »

mon 29th isnt a bank holiday this year. not sure if its a public holiday- i dont get them off so i dont keep track of the dates. the bank hols over christmas are 25th and 26th, or next working days, and 1st jan or next working day.

Monday the 29th IS a Bank holiday (All Banks will be closed) but it is not a Public Holiday.

All Public Holiday are also Bank Holiday, but they are two Bank Holiday which are not Public Holiday, they are Good Friday and December 27th (which is a weekend this year, so the bank holiday falls to the monday.

GerardKeating

oneweb wrote: »

I'm working on something that'll list all Bank Holidays for a given year.

I haven't found an authoritive source to determine Irish Christmas Holidays. I've found various information on UK holidays but they do some dates differently.

ipso.ie has a pdf
http://www.ipso.ie/index.php?option=com_docman&task=cat_view&gid=215&Itemid=198

The IPSO pdf list "Bank Holidays", not "Public holidays". Most people used the two terms interchangabily, but they are not exactly the same.

Which are you interested in, Bank or Public Holidays, if you are coming at this from the HR end, you are interested in Public Holidays, if you are coming at this from the Banking end, you are interested in Bank Holidays.

In the financial end, other complications arrise with international payments, with respect to value dates, many Bank Holidays are ignored, but May 1st is a "Euro Bank Holiday" which respect to international transfers.

sam34

GerardKeating wrote: »

Monday the 29th IS a Bank holiday (All Banks will be closed) but it is not a Public Holiday.

All Public Holiday are also Bank Holiday, but they are two Bank Holiday which are not Public Holiday, they are Good Friday and December 27th (which is a weekend this year, so the ank holiday falls to the monday.

i think you have this the wrong way around. just because the banks are closed, doesnt make it a bank holiday per se. monday 29th is not a bank holiday. if it was, i'd have it off, but i dont. (:() likewise good friday, it is a normal working day for me. (i work in the hse btw).

GerardKeating

sam34 wrote: »

i think you have this the wrong way around. just because the banks are closed, doesnt make it a bank holiday per se. monday 29th is not a bank holiday. if it was, i'd have it off, but i dont. (:() likewise good friday, it is a normal working day for me. (i work in the hse btw).

I have it the right way around, you are confusing "Pubic Holidays" with Bank Holidays, there are not the same thing.

As I said in my origional post, all Public Holiday are also Bank Holidays, but not all Bank Holiday are Public Holidays.

A "Bank Holiday" is a day when the banks are closed....

brettmirl

sam34 wrote: »

i think you have this the wrong way around. just because the banks are closed, doesnt make it a bank holiday per se. monday 29th is not a bank holiday. if it was, i'd have it off, but i dont. (:() likewise good friday, it is a normal working day for me. (i work in the hse btw).

There are 9 public holidays in Ireland each year. Public holidays in Ireland (as in other countries) may commemorate a special day or other event, for example, St Patrick's Day (17 March) or Christmas Day (25 December). On a public holiday, sometimes called a bank holiday, most businesses and schools close. Other services, for example, public transport still operate but often with restricted schedules. The list of public holidays in Ireland each year is as follows:

New Year's Day (1 January)
St. Patrick's Day (17 March)
Easter Monday
First Monday in May, June, August
Last Monday in October
Christmas Day (25 December)
St. Stephen's Day (26 December)

Good Friday is not a public holiday. While some schools and businesses close on that day, you have no automatic entitlement to time off work on that day.

Source - http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/employment/employment-rights-and-conditions/leave-and-holidays/public-holidays-in-ireland

realslimshady

So is Monday 27th December 2010 and Tuesday 28th December 2010 both Irish public holidays this year? Need to know as I am working and wondering what my entitlements are...?

GerardKeating

realslimshady wrote: »

So is Monday 27th December 2010 and Tuesday 28th December 2010 both Irish public holidays this year? Need to know as I am working and wondering what my entitlements are...?

Correct, 27/28 are Public holidays, 29 is a Bank Holiday (Banks/Post Offices closed) but not a Public Holiday.

danjo-xx

jamesodargan wrote: »

My boss wont pay me for st stephens day , and said i was lucky to get paid for xmas day!Am i entitled to pay for these days????

explained here.

http://www.employmentrights.ie/en/informationforemployees/annualleave/

jamesodargan

so basicly , every full time person is supposed to get paid for xmas day and st stephens day regardless of what day it falls on , am i right??