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    #32
    DonkeyStyle \o/
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,145 ✭✭✭DonkeyStyle \o/


    Terry wrote: »
    Pighead and Javaboy ripped the piss out of some guy last week for a yore ma post.
    I ripped pigheads ma out of it last week.

    *dons hypocrite hat and runs away*


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    #33
    Earthhorse
    Registered Users Posts: 14,714 ✭✭✭✭Earthhorse


    Some of the best discussions I've had have been in After Hours, actually. There's no room for pretension in there. No one's impressed, or has to be pretend to be, by the link you've posted if it's a pile of shit. If you're trying to blind people with science on After Hours we'll just laugh at you and move on. Only people who genuinely have something worthwhile to say will find their serious topic being taken seriously on After Hours. That's the beauty of it.
    Zascar wrote: »
    Guys I'm not suggesting changing after hours at all. But I think it would be nice to have another forum for general topics with a focus on quality 'discussion'.

    After Hours gets a lot of thread about current issues in the news etc - but not they are necessarily suited to politics or economics etc. Some topics are obviously perfectly suited to AH and are great fun because of this, but personally what I'd like to see is a "General Discussion" forum with better moderation around short useless unhelpful replies that do not add to the topic in a positive manner.

    I sometimes wish we had the equivalent of an FYAD to GBS realtionship with a forum on here to After Hours. Not an FYAD clone or anything. Sort of an After Hours mark two where only genuinely witty comments were welcome and catchphrasery or otherwise lazy posting was rounded upon. Quickly. Don't know quite how you could make it work though.


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    #34
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Terry wrote: »
    Most people are getting pissed off with it and have made it clear to others.

    Pighead and Javaboy ripped the piss out of some guy last week for a yore ma post.

    And in fairness to the poster in question, he has since vowed never to do it again.


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    #35
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    Gandalf23 wrote: »
    Maybe not, but that might be exactly what AH needs.

    Ah go on ... give SteveC a go. He'd be a brilliant AH mod!

    Who agrees?????

    You're just trying to get me out of feedback aren't you! :P

    Besides, I wouldn't come close to being qualified for that job!


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    #36
    Kurtosis
    Registered Users Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Kurtosis


    I know it's been mentioned a few times already, but I have to highlight again that the Humanities forum seems to be the thing you're looking for. Even the charter there seems to spell it out:
    Now, Humanities was created for the purpose of having rational, thoughtful, calm debate about issues. It was created as an alternative to After Hours. A place for intellectual discourse.

    Sounds like it fits the bill pretty well.


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    #37
    Dinter
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,698 ✭✭✭Dinter


    My 2 cents.

    If you start a serious topic in AH you will definitely get a couple of yore ma comments or whatever thrown in. But you'll also get a couple of fairly rational replies too. You'll reply and then there'll be another broadside of puns and or yore mas from the people who aren't reading the thread at all but like to see their name up there.

    It does go on and on, interminably sometimes, and if you are just glancing through a thread it can appear like everyone's just dismissing each other's points out of hand. However if you're taking part in it you'll see it's not like that at all.

    I think it's all to do with delivery. A post that seems completely facetious will probably have a nugget of very hard opinion in it and if you're familiar with the poster you'll know to attach weight to it and know that if you've a difference of opinion then that's the bit to concentrate on while ignoring the chaff.

    That's how I see AH anyway. It really does come down to a more off the cuff kinda debate, the kind that you might have in a pub with friends. Taking the piss out of each other and dissing their opinions even if you agree with them.

    There is a tonne of fluff in some threads and tbh if you can't get past that you mightn't enjoy it. However if you join a thread, draw a line in the sand and pick a side to defend to the death, it can be some of the best fun available on boards.


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    #38
    Trojan
    Registered Users Posts: 16,413 ✭✭✭✭Trojan


    I didn't read your post, because you mentioned AH in there.

    That might be a useful hint.

    But in all seriousness, there are loads of other forums, one of which will be a fit for whatever you want to discuss, and won't have the levels of crap that you'll get in AH.

    🎙️ The Recognized Authority Podcast



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    #39
    Tom Dunne
    Registered Users Posts: 23,212 ✭✭✭✭Tom Dunne


    So you are looking for a general forum, for discussion of a wide range of topics that don't easily fit into current forums/fora (:)) and where muppetry is not tolerated.

    A sort of Critical Thinking type forum, you say?

    /shameless plug


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    #40
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote: »
    I agree about After Hours... lately I find the signal to noise ratio is taking a beating from there being a few too many wannabe comedians.
    This seems to happen in cycles. One or a number of quality new posters appear on the site and on AH, posting genuinely funny comments which also include some relevant content. Then a lot of other people seem to feel the need to "up their game" to compete, but forget to include the content along with their oh-so-witty riposte.

    It happened when Pighead arrived, and now it's happened because javaboy (and someone else, I forget your name) has arrived.

    If we ban the good posters from AH, everyone else will return to normality. But the discussion will suck, really.

    Zascar, this kind of topic does come up every so often from "seasoned" posters and overall I think the main problem is that the site is changing. I'm not saying that you're being a grouch or anything like that, but boards is constantly evolving and it genuinely moves outside of the kind of thing that some people are interested in.
    It's not that they dislike change, but they may dislike the direction that the site is heading. It's happened in the past, we've lost some huge contributors, and it will happen in the future, because no matter what boards has to evolve.

    Personally, I think AH is in a generally good place at the moment. It is possible to have pub-esque conversations without too much noise. People seem to understand the boundaries and people who decide to act the prick get quickly rounded on by the other posters and told where to go. If you're expecting a deeper, more meaningful conversation, then you need to go elsewhere, but the same is true of the pub. Nobody brings out significant facts and figures in a pub conversation without getting strange looks, no more than someone posts fifty evidential links in AH without being asked to summarise them in 2 paragraphs or less.


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    #41
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,636 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Zascar wrote: »
    I'm not sure if I am alone here, but over the last while I have just been getting very bored and pissed off with boards. This is mainly due to a problem that happens mostly in the After Hours forum, but many others too.

    I really hate the way a person's experience in AH leads them to generalise about the whole site about it going downhill. Its very common with rants about the site.

    AH is only as good as the posts that are put up in it. Thats down to the users. The mods can only do so much to try regulate discussion.

    Although Id like to see less of the ma stuff. Sometimes a witty one emerges but throwing in a yore ma for the sake of it or because no one else has yet is really unfunny. Its like going out to dinner with work mates and making sure you are not sitting beside the annoying office fcuker who says the same unfunny comments all the time.

    As bad as people claim AH has become or whatever, there is rarely a time i have gone to it and not found a thread to post in that was of interest.


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    #42
    FlutterinBantam
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,575 ✭✭✭✭FlutterinBantam


    I feel the reason people post on AH and try for serious discussion is to broaden the audience and contributor base.
    The more suitable and serious fora exist, but would not have the range of response that perhaps the poster wishes to engage and interact with..

    There are a lot of messers and crackpots on AH,who want to distill the serious side of things with inane comments and repetitive remarks.

    We will just have to live cheek by jowl with them I guess, and perhaps, if we need that more diffuse audience and eclectic footprint , they are a necessary 'evil'.

    There would be a place for a fairly serious multi topical forum or discussion area on Boards.ie I would imagine.


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    #43
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    ^Flutt's a perfect example of someone who posts a fair bit of shite on AH for humourous effect but also posts seriously a lot of the time. The thing that sticks out most (not least thanks to the avatar :D) is the fecal fixation but he contributes to the serious discussions more than most.


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    #44
    Nerin
    Registered Users Posts: 10,523 ✭✭✭✭Nerin


    javaboy wrote: »
    ^Flutt's a perfect example of someone who posts a fair bit of shite on AH for humourous effect but also posts seriously a lot of the time. The thing that sticks out most (not least thanks to the avatar :D) is the fecal fixation but he contributes to the serious discussions more than most.

    Very true,I've often found myself pulling off a facepalm at some of fluttys ****e,but i think when hes serious,hes an extremely clever poster.


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    #45
    RoundyMooney
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,910 ✭✭✭✭RoundyMooney


    Nerin wrote: »
    Very true,I've often found myself pulling off

    Jaysus, he's entertaining at times, but not that entertaining.


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    #46
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    RoundyMooney wrote: »
    Jaysus, he's entertaining at times, but not that entertaining.

    I was going to say that but didn't want to get accused of derailing a serious thread for laughs. :cool:


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    #47
    Red Sleeping Beauty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    Why aren't images allowed in AH ?


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    #48
    Steve
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 22,584 CMod ✭✭✭✭Steve


    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    Why aren't images allowed in AH ?
    Somebody posted a picture of their mother ages ago and broke the image server.


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    #49
    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    I knew right away when I saw the thread title that this would be about AH. I must be psychic.
    seamus wrote: »
    It happened when Pighead arrived, and now it's happened because javaboy has arrived.

    What about their son Pigboy?:

    pigboy.jpg

    He's gonna be the next superstar of AH.


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    #50
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    seamus wrote: »
    Nobody brings out significant facts and figures in a pub conversation without getting strange looks, no more than someone posts fifty evidential links in AH without being asked to summarise them in 2 paragraphs or less.

    You obviously missed that David Icke thread.

    Normal person: "Lizard people? That's just rediculous."
    Icke nut: "No it's not, here's some links to 473 hours of video where Icke says it's all true.".
    Normal person: "Yeah, but he's a nut job."
    Icke nut: "No he's not, here's some links to 546 hours of video where Icke clearly states he's not a nutjob and this is all true".

    Lather, rinse and repeat.


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    #51
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Esmeralda Thankful Puff wrote: »
    What about their son Pigboy?:

    pigboy.jpg

    He's gonna be the next superstar of AH.

    Sex is always more fun with a third person involved. ;)


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    4zn76tysfajdxp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭4zn76tysfajdxp


    javaboy wrote: »
    Sex is always more fun with a third person involved. ;)

    Ugh....

    *Applies lipstick*


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    #53
    javaboy
    Registered Users Posts: 15,094 ✭✭✭✭javaboy


    Esmeralda Thankful Puff wrote: »
    Ugh....

    *Applies lipstick*

    Keep your lipstick in your pocket m'lady. I was simply referring to Pighead's mode of speech. Plus I've already voted for you so you can go fellate someone else.


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    #54
    Red Sleeping Beauty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    Why aren't images allowed in AH ?


    ???


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    #55
    Xavi6
    Registered Users Posts: 40,867 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    ???

    Do you really need that answered?

    It's cause the 'tards will no doubt post pr0n and other inappropriate images.


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    #56
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    Loverboy got it in one.


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    #57
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    ???
    I'm guessing (pending a proper answer from an AH mod) too hard to control. Most posters would probably keep within the bounds of common sense, even if not necessarily what Sr. Flagellatio would approve of, but there would be bound to be a few who would think the freer atmosphere of AH gave them license to post more or less whatever the hell they liked.

    Also, imagine what a typical AH thread would be like with with threads clogged with "funny" images, including:

    "Yore Ma!"
    (pic)

    "No, yore ma!"
    (alternate pic)


    EDIT: Damnit, Loverboy and his soft seat got in first! :P


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    #58
    AlmightyCushion
    Moderators, Education Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 35,079 Mod ✭✭✭✭AlmightyCushion


    We still get rick rolls and lemonparty links. We can't really get around that (banning the shít out of people for doing it helps though). If we had images we'd have people posting massive inline images of goatse or gay porn or something. By not having the inline it somewhat limits the damage they can do.

    That yore ma situation you describe above, randy, does sound stupidly irritating and like it would actually happen.


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    #59
    Red Sleeping Beauty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    So by it's very nature AH attracts 'tards ? And it's a good idea to remove the images because people will be more likely to break the rules and post porn ?

    Surely if one posts porn or a questionable image anywhere on Boards you're open to a banning ? Much like you're open to a banning for rubbish "your mother" posts or abbusive or spam posts et cetera?

    When were images last availabe in After Hours ?


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    #60
    randylonghorn
    Registered Users Posts: 29,509 ✭✭✭✭randylonghorn


    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    So by it's very nature AH attracts 'tards?
    Among a large variety of other posters; no-one is suggesting that all AH posters fall into that category (indeed, we'd be tarring ourselves with the same brush :D)
    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    And it's a good idea to remove the images because people will be more likely to break the rules and post porn ?

    Surely if one posts porn or a questionable image anywhere on Boards you're open to a banning ? Much like you're open to a banning for rubbish "your mother" posts or abbusive or spam posts et cetera?
    No arguments, dude, but ...

    ... think of the volume of posts in AH, and how hard it would therefore be to control

    ... think of the volume of readers in AH, and the variety of people who would therefore see a dodgy image, and complain loudly!


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    #61
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    alan dunne 27 wrote: »
    So by it's very nature AH attracts 'tards ? And it's a good idea to remove the images because people will be more likely to break the rules and post porn ?

    Surely if one posts porn or a questionable image anywhere on Boards you're open to a banning ? Much like you're open to a banning for rubbish "your mother" posts or abbusive or spam posts et cetera?
    It's to protect everyone else. Yes, the poster gets banned, but that doesn't stop someone from sitting at their machine in work, opening a thread in After Hours, and suddenly 50 images of people ****ting on each other pops up on their screen.

    Then six weeks later, their manager pulls them into the office with a sample of these images printed out, demanding an explanation. "Some spammer posted them on a bulletin board" might work the first time, but not the second or third or fourth time.

    Yes, it's lamentable, but I think everyone's happier for it. It's not there to prevent people being banned from boards, it's there to prevent people being fired from jobs :)
    When were images last availabe in After Hours ?
    I don't recall. Late last year?


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