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There are methods in place to challenge legislation. Theres a lot of talk in this thread about ministers having the power to ban somethign at the stroke of a pen. These people arent stupid.
Livelihoods would be ruined. People would be made jobless. The opposition parties would literally destroy any minister who came up with a half-baked scheme to ban a legal sport, not because the give a toss about the sport, but because its a chance to destroy a sitting minister for enacting an ill-conceived law.
To everyone reading this - People are getting way to emotive over one line uttered in a Dail debate. For God's sake....have you guys any idea how many promises and threats are made and then broken in these debates ?
By all means, get active defending our sport - write to your TD, your councillors, the newspapers...anyone who has any kind of voice. Just do it calmly and rationally.
And I keep saying this. Again. And again. And again.
JOIN THE IAA AND HELP THEM !
You dont have to agree with them. You dont have to like them.
BUT WE NEED TO HAVE A UNIFIED BODY REPRESENTING US.
If you dont like what they're doing, you can change their policies by being a member and proposing new policies. You can vote out the committee if you dont like them. But you can do NOTHING by not being a member.
I just cant understand this ridiculous concept of "They're a bunch of so-and-so's, I'm not joining". Join up and get rid of the so-and-so's, but just join up for Christ's sake, and add your voice to the other members.
For such a small community, we have an unusually large amount of intelligent people in our ranks....and I swear to God, for such intelligent people.....Theres a distrubingly large amount of you that seem to have switched off the logic machine in your brain
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There are methods in place to challenge legislation. Theres a lot of talk in this thread about ministers having the power to ban somethign at the stroke of a pen. These people arent stupid.
Livelihoods would be ruined. People would be made jobless. The opposition parties would literally destroy any minister who came up with a half-baked scheme to ban a legal sport, not because the give a toss about the sport, but because its a chance to destroy a sitting minister for enacting an ill-conceived law.
Shiva. RS clubs have spent 10s of 1000s making there ranges up to government standards. These clubs believed the government and invested in the future. Now its money wasted. NO compo for any range for this money spent.
Can I remind you of the ministers statement:
That Bill will also tackle comprehensively the issue of airsoft guns. I wish to have an outright ban on these guns and to make possession of them in public a serious offence. The proliferation of airsoft guns has been brought to my attention by Members on all sides of the House.
All sides of the house. So which side will stand up for airsoft? You are been seen as the very same as RS in the governments eyes. Like it or not! No TD will be seen as suporting "handguns" in this climate. No matter if it be plastic or RS
EDIT: all the minister has to do is remove the one joule limit. then anything firing a projectile from a barrel becomes a firearm under the 1925 act. Even a spud gun! If caught with an unlicenced firearm there is a min sentance of 10 years!0 -
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Shiva. RS clubs have spent 10s of 1000s making there ranges up to government standards. These clubs believed the government and invested in the future. Now its money wasted. NO compo for any range for this money spent.
Can I remind you of the ministers statement:
That Bill will also tackle comprehensively the issue of airsoft guns. I wish to have an outright ban on these guns and to make possession of them in public a serious offence. The proliferation of airsoft guns has been brought to my attention by Members on all sides of the House.
All sides of the house. So which side will stand up for airsoft? You are been seen as the very same as RS in the governments eyes. Like it or not! No TD will be seen as suporting "handguns" in this climate. No matter if it be plastic or RS
EDIT: all the minister has to do is remove the one joule limit. then anything firing a projectile from a barrel becomes a firearm under the 1925 act. Even a spud gun! If caught with an unlicenced firearm there is a min sentance of 10 years!
chem we are well aware of what the minister said, there is no need to repeat it. Now if you are an airsofter then please continue contributing, if its to push an agenda linked to the issues that RS is having then please step away now.
sean.carolan100 if I see another post of rubbish from you I will be banning you. This goes for any more frivolous posts on this thread. This is a serious discussion thread and I expect all to treat it as so.
With regard to an outright ban remember it was the Gardai that requested the 1 joule limit in the 2006 act that effectively legalised airsoft as too much of their man hours were been taken away by what they perceived as toys. They still are toys.
The bringing on board of the Northern players at the IAA AGM on Sunday will help us. We then become a All Ireland Organisation, rather than been seen as a sport that divides we can market ourselves as one that brings people together from all walks of life. That is going to be a very dangerous thing for politicians both sides of the border to attack. No one wants to be seen against cross border bodies in the mainstream political parties.
This is now all about how we market ourselves. Do we sit here and bicker among ourselves or do we make the banning of airsoft a very very difficult decision for the powers that be. Emphasise that this has the potential to become a tourist boon for this country. We have terrain that skirmishers from all over Europe would love to play on. Tell them about the 1000 man plus events in Berget and wouldn't it be a wonderful boost for a local economy to have 1000 wallets spending money with them. Be clever people and most of all be positive.
Promote the health aspects of the sport how people who otherwise may not be active are getting out and taking exercise in a country that is now battling with Obesity as a serious strain on our health service. Demonstrate that proper Airsoft far from promoting lawlessness will allow the young to socialise and take part in a Sport that keeps them from the streets and idleness.0 -
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chem we are well aware of what the minister said, there is no need to repeat it. Now if you are an airsofter then please continue contributing, if its to push an agenda linked to the issues that RS is having then please step away now.
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I understand gandalf. I do not have any agenda. But just feel the injustice that both sports are been labled with. I have some airsoft as part of my collection and have taken part in some fun days out with my m8s. I just dont what to lose both sports to inaction. I just wanted to point out that I have tried my best to introduce TDs and local councillors to both sports, as I feel its the only way to let them see, for them selfs what its all about, before they make a law on either sport. I hope the AGM brings some good news, and I will not post here again until the outcome of this meeting. I am only trying to help, not try devide us
sorry if anyone picked me up wrong 
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Happy surprised.
I'm not going to go into too much detail, but he laughed, made a comment about there being "no recession here", and said "thats great".
Cool (and fair play on the sales levels too ), I just had a sinking feeling when I read it first that he may have had the fright of his life instead of thinking we were melting our credit cards. 0 -
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Chuck the Buck wrote: »Cool (and fair play on the sales levels too ), I just had a sinking feeling when I read it first that he may have had the fright of his life instead of thinking we were melting our credit cards.
No...and to be honest, I was pleasantly surprised by him.
I know he's a successful politician, and would be a master at socialising, but he seemed very genuine, down to earth and reasonable. He listened to what we had to say, agreed with the main points of our arguments, and most importantly....asked some very pertinent questions and made a couple of very astute observations which supported our point of view.
Oh....and he's played and enjoyed paintball in the past, so he could relate to where we were coming from.
I know all of the above doesn't really mean all that much, but I was encouraged by the complete lack of hostility or disregard. He listened to us.0 -
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sean.carolan100 wrote: »If this carrys on and they get there way then I can only see two outcomes ; the sport is outlawed , the sale of airsoft equipment is made illegal etc. alos alot of tears or; We still get airsoft but we .... uhhhh ..... *shudder* ..... Have to have blazing read flashhiders on all our aegs and gbbs atc .
The second is the more likely outcome .
I would prefere the first . Im not murdering my aegs .TerrorFirmer wrote: »Actually speaking of which, what was the general reaction to the 2 tone weapons in the UK? They look absolutely hideous, and could be spotted a mile away - skirmishes must be crap. A red Flash Hider seems extremely merciful in comparison - it could be far worse. Like......transparent aeg's (puke)
The blaze red tip in the US and the two-toned AEGs in the UK simply does not work, it inconveniences genuine airsofters and there have been incidences of real guns being painted with the orange tips to deceive people into thinking they are not real.
Aside from that, the system in the UK is terrible and from what I've heard, essentially killing the sport.Lemming said a funny thing
Seriously, let's all calm down until the Minister's Criminal Justice (Misc) Bill is published, or maybe leaked - :eek:
Unfortunately by the time the Bill is published it may be too late, which is why the IAA will be contacting relevant people sooner rather than later, make no mistake, we are actively working on this.0 -
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