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TII Motorway Service Areas (MSA) Progress Thread

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    #1112
    serfboard
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    BoatMad wrote: »
    I dont think it will be a busy MSA, The m11 south of Arklow Gorey is very quiet
    South of Arklow has 19K AADT, with up to 22K on some Fridays.

    South of Gorey has 8.5K AADT with up to 10K on Fridays, and is indeed very quiet.


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    #1113
    road_high
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    serfboard wrote: »
    South of Arklow has 19K AADT, with up to 22K on some Fridays.

    South of Gorey has 8.5K AADT with up to 10K on Fridays, and is indeed very quiet.

    It's a good spot to put it. It'll catch all the day trippers and weekenders to North Wexford seaside area and is a sort of half way point along the M11.


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    #1114
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #1115
    marno21
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    There are 2 MSAs (offline yes) on the M7 west of the M8 turn off where it gets quieter, and both are well able to stay afloat especially the Barack Obama Plaza which is often very very busy.

    With the new M11 opening as far as Oilgate and further improvements coming down the line further south it should be well able to be viable.


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    #1116
    marno21
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    Oral hearings on the three MSAs planned online (M18 Newmarket-on-Fergus, M3 Dunshauglin and M6/M17/M18 Oranmore) for Q4 2017 with decisions due in early 2018 on all three.

    M3 & M6/M17/M18 planned for 2019 completion; M18 planned for 2020 completion

    www.t4msa.ie


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    #1117
    JupiterKid
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Oral hearings on the three MSAs planned online (M18 Newmarket-on-Fergus, M3 Dunshauglin and M6/M17/M18 Oranmore) for Q4 2017 with decisions due in early 2018 on all three.

    M3 & M6/M17/M18 planned for 2019 completion; M18 planned for 2020 completion

    www.t4msa.ie

    That's good news, but what about the unopened MSAs on the M9 and M11? I thought the court action that delayed these facilities was resolved, but nothing seems to be happening yet on the ground.


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    #1118
    spacetweek
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    JupiterKid wrote: »
    That's good news, but what about the unopened MSAs on the M9 and M11? I thought the court action that delayed these facilities was resolved, but nothing seems to be happening yet on the ground.
    Email from TII:

    “Thank you for your email of 5 November 2017 regarding the Tranche 2 motorway service areas. The position in relation to your enquiry is as follows.

    Following the resolution of the procurement challenge to this contract award, Transport Infrastructure Ireland (TII) has resumed negotiations with the preferred bidder. TII is working with the preferred bidder on all of the documentation which is required to close this contract award. It is likely that the contract will be signed by TII early in 2018, and that construction works would commence on site around the middle of 2018, allowing for the Design Period. It is estimated that the construction period for the service areas on the M6 at Athlone and M9 at Kilcullen would be approximately 12 to 15 months for full completion, however, the Gorey service area is expected to be completed within 3 to 4 months.”


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    #1119
    raydator
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/legal-challenge-and-retail-changes-cause-long-delays-for-motorway-service-areas-1.3294259

    No end in site..


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    #1120
    marno21
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    Construction of M9 station to start "mid 2018" at the earliest

    The shambles continues

    http://kfmradio.com/news/07122017-0752/m9-service-station-contract-could-be-signed-early-2018


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    #1121
    Jayuu
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    marno21 wrote: »
    Construction of M9 station to start "mid 2018" at the earliest

    The shambles continues

    http://kfmradio.com/news/07122017-0752/m9-service-station-contract-could-be-signed-early-2018

    Completely crazy all right. At this point one wonders is this station even necesasry although since the infrastructure has been put in place it might as well be completed.

    At this point I either stop at one of the stations on N7 or the new unofficial Applegreen at Junction 7 (which is excellent).


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    #1122
    radharc
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    Jayuu wrote: »
    Completely crazy all right. At this point one wonders is this station even necesasry although since the infrastructure has been put in place it might as well be completed.

    At this point I either stop at one of the stations on N7 or the new unofficial Applegreen at Junction 7 (which is excellent).

    New? That's at least 2 years old. The new one is the Topaz/McDonald's station at Junction 5 (which is better again).

    Agree there is absolutely no need for the Kilcullen one to proceed now. I saw a quote from TII last week saying that their plan for official MSA's forced the petrol companies to improve their off-line services. Surely the whole point was that the offline sites should never have received planning. But given where we are now, they should absolutely pull the plug.


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    #1123
    D Trent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,341 ✭✭✭D Trent


    Anyone else think instead of an MSA they should build a properly planned and organised town at this overbridge, with all utilities on site? About 2500 housing units?

    EDIT-Oh I forgot the most important part; while they're doing it demolish Athy


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    #1124
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #1125
    Aontachtoir
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    The lack of MSAs disturbs the Oireachtas: https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/state-agency-to-be-called-to-account-for-lack-of-motorway-services-1.3330422


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    OldMrBrennan83
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    #1127
    ezra_
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    Why are the NRA/TII unable to have the MSAs delivered with the motorways?


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    #1128
    serfboard
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    ezra_ wrote: »
    Why are the NRA/TII unable to have the MSAs delivered with the motorways?
    Ara would you go away with your sensible ideas ... this is Ireland, man!


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    #1129
    Chris_5339762
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    Back in the day it was decided we didn't need MSAs and the motorways were planned without them. When they were finishing up the motorways, it was suddenly decided we DID need them afterall. We've been playing catchup ever since. Then the debacle with Gorey, Athlone and Kilcullen.

    And my pet hate that even in Tranche 3, there is still absolutely no plan whatsoever, or even a hint-of-a-plan for an MSA on the M8. Its ridiculous.


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    #1130
    ezra_
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    To be fair, the M1 MSAs are fantastic, as is the one the M7.

    For some reason, I really dislike the Barrack O'Bama one, that 50m off line road I have drive really frustrates me


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    #1131
    Chris_5339762
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    The M1 MSAs are the best but need a bit of TLC. They're looking a touch rough around the edges.

    The best ones are the ones at Lisburn. Lovely quiet upstairs area as well, but not quite as big.


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    #1132
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #1133
    Cookiemunster
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    ezra_ wrote: »
    To be fair, the M1 MSAs are fantastic, as is the one the M7.

    For some reason, I really dislike the Barrack O'Bama one, that 50m off line road I have drive really frustrates me

    None of the MSAs on the M7 are TII MSAs. All three are privately built.


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    #1134
    ezra_
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    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    None of the MSAs on the M7 are TII MSAs. All three are privately built.

    The one near Dublin seems to be the same spec as the M1 ones, albeit only on one side.


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    #1135
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #1136
    Cookiemunster
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    ezra_ wrote: »
    The one near Dublin seems to be the same spec as the M1 ones, albeit only on one side.

    It's good, but it's private. The TII ones have their own slips and aren't built at junctions.


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    #1137
    OldMrBrennan83
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    #1138
    ezra_
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    Patww79 wrote: »
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    I just realised I meant the M4, not M7.


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    #1139
    D Trent
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    ezra_ wrote: »
    I just realised I meant the M4, not M7.

    We still don't know which one your on about ?
    Applegreen m4 Enfield?
    There's one each side of carriageway there right opposite one another


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    #1140
    ezra_
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    D Trent wrote: »
    We still don't know which one your on about ?
    Applegreen m4 Enfield?
    There's one each side of carriageway there right opposite one another

    Yes, the Enfield one. I never knew there was one going south-bound.


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    #1141
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,404 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Here's all the TII official, online motorway service areas:

    Tranche 1:

    Lusk (M1) both sides
    Castlebellingham (M1) both sides
    Enfield (M4) both sides

    Tranche 2:

    Gorey (M11) single sided
    Kilcullen (M9) single sided
    Moate/Athlone (M6) single sided

    Tranche 3:

    Foynes (M21/N69/Nxx) - tbc
    Ringaskiddy (M28) - single operation

    Tranche 4:

    Dunshaughlin (M3) single sided
    Oranmore (M6/M17/M18) single sided
    Newmarket-on-Fergus (M18) single sided

    Details on the last 3 are available at www.t4msa.ie


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