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leninbenjamin wrote: »personally, rather than reclaiming land around the city area i'd rather they moved most of the industrial operations out further to the likes of Ros an Mhíl or somewhere further out, and just improve connections to the city with some proper infrastructure, like a dual carriagway and rail connection for heavy goods to the industrial estates. I've no idea how feasible this would be though, so don't get in a twist if it's completely nuts
the Marina will be great though, it's been needed for so long.
It's highly feasable and can be done with far, far less cost then developing Galway. It was shown on TG4 a few weeks ago, you can develop a deep water port in Ros an Mhíl for around 80 million. It's a natural deep water port and only has to be developed.
The same project will cost upwards of 200 million in Galway.
Plus there will much ongoing dredging costs in Galway that you wouldn't have in Ros an Mhíl. You have some, all ports do but not on a scale of Galway.
Sure Údarás na Gaeltachta own 25 acres of land out there, all ready to be developed for new businesses. But to develop a port a better road is needed to the city and possibly another bypass too.
Tbh, I think it's a better option then Galway if the purpose was imports and for industry.
But Galway port takes huge quantities of fuel so better to keep that there.
Plus the whole oceanliner prospect would be huge!
One of these options will be chosen, I wouldn't say it's certain which it will be0 -
leninbenjamin wrote: »personally, rather than reclaiming land around the city area i'd rather they moved most of the industrial operations out further to the likes of Ros an Mhíl or somewhere further out, and just improve connections to the city with some proper infrastructure, like a dual carriagway and rail connection for heavy goods to the industrial estates. I've no idea how feasible this would be though, so don't get in a twist if it's completely nuts
the Marina will be great though, it's been needed for so long.
If this were China that's exactly what they'd do!! Just build a whole industrial city and port somewhere else and leave Galway to be a nice "unspoilt" place to rake in the tourist dollars... Not sure if I really buy into that approach either as cities should by their nature develop and have the full mix of uses side by side to be truly dynamic places. Did you see there during the week that some city in China has decided to knock all the recent developments on their waterfront plus knock off up to 20 floors off recently built tower blocks so that they can attain "world heritage site" status... Mad isn't it!0 -
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It's highly feasible and can be done with far, far less cost then developing Galway. It was shown on TG4 a few weeks ago, you can develop a deep water port in Ros an Mhíl for around 80 million It's a natural deep water port and only has to be developed.
The same project will cost upwards of 200 million in Galway.
Plus there will much ongoing dredging costs in Galway that you wouldn't have in Ros an Mhíl. You have some, all ports do but not on a scale of Galway.
Ya! but the new R336 road that is proposed from Galway - Ros a Mhíl to deal with the traffic that is there now would cost around 120m so touché on that .
You will on your hole persuade Cruise ships to berth in Ros a Mhíl but they could be persuaded to off the rear of Mutton island
The structures in the map originally put up by JC seem like total overkill to me . Yet I think something needs to be done, sometime in the next decade !
By the way , we have been 'trying' to do something with Galway port for 150 years so I am only recycling a 150 year old plan AGAIN
http://www.cil.ie/sh676x4637.html
( long page , just over half way down)Plans to build a deepwater berth off Mutton Island, with a causeway to Furbo and a railway branch-line from Galway did not materialise. Failure to meet deadlines led to the loss of the mail contract in 1861 and, with all its ships undergoing repair the line could no longer provide a service.
The company was restructured and recommenced services in 1863 but Galway was relegated to a port of call. The company eventually failed in 1864 in the face of competition from shipping lines operating out of other ports, and a reduction in trade because of the American Civil War.
Collins gives few details of the financial affairs of the company. Perhaps Lever, like Melmotte, kept that information to himself. The 1861 Ordinary General Meeting of the company was held in London, making it awkward for Irish Shareholders to attend.
The Furbo port scheme was resurrected again in the early 1900s but was kyboshed by the Titanic and similar fast cruise liners of that era.
I shall not be held responsible for a modern iteration of that post famine scheme and will not send any plans to the harbour board , preferring to amuse myself looking at that map instead .:D 0 -
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Posts here saying that our scenery/views of Galway Bay/Clare are going to be ruined are being exaggerated, sorry but it's true. The way you're going on is as if they're going to build nothing but sky-scrapers out there.
As i've said before, i'll say again... the majority of that redevelopment is only going to be a few feet higher than the shoreline. OK lets say they make a big breakwater, no way is that even gonna be 40ft high as that part of the bay is sheltered by Mutton Island anyhow. There might be a few buildings that will go up closer to the Enterprise Park, but again, they're not going to be multi-story buildings, but merely a few factories.
Arguments about 'losing half of the horizon' make me laugh
If you guys really feel as strong as you're making out on this thread, why not get in touch with Galway Harbour Company/City Council/Whoever rather than whinging on here? Cause whinging aint gonna do diddily squat0 -
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JohnCleary wrote: »Galwayrush - Maybe we should write to the GHC/City Council and request that a big 50story apartment block be erected at the end of the pier - 'Living with a view'
Let's go for a Toronto style tower as well, that's 110 floors up to the upper viewing area, can we top that............:D It would help reduce the impact of the 50 storey appartment block.:D A nice revolving restaurant on top:cool:
Another plus,we could install floodlights and some phone transmitters on top,:D0 -
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JohnCleary wrote: »Posts here saying that our scenery/views of Galway Bay/Clare are going to be ruined are being exaggerated, sorry but it's true. The way you're going on is as if they're going to build nothing but sky-scrapers out there.
As i've said before, i'll say again... the majority of that redevelopment is only going to be a few feet higher than the shoreline. OK lets say they make a big breakwater, no way is that even gonna be 40ft high as that part of the bay is sheltered by Mutton Island anyhow. There might be a few buildings that will go up closer to the Enterprise Park, but again, they're not going to be multi-story buildings, but merely a few factories.
Arguments about 'losing half of the horizon' make me laugh
If you guys really feel as strong as you're making out on this thread, why not get in touch with Galway Harbour Company/City Council/Whoever rather than whinging on here? Cause whinging aint gonna do diddily squat
Ah lovely, yet more exaggeration of other people's comments and insults being thrown around... how nice...:rolleyes:
Do you honestly think they are planning to reclaim all that land, all that way out into the bay and not build ANYTHING on it? I mean come on - even two story high buildings or equivalent height warehouses etc. are going to be very prominent. You can already see the type of stuff I'm talking about in the enterprise park when you look across from the Claddagh Quay. Imagine another mile of that stretching out into the bay. Lovely.
If you have a problem with people expressing views contrary to your own (or "whinging" as you call it) then what the hell are you doing on a discussion board...?0 -
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Zzippy - I'm not sure where the funding is coming from, but when I was told "We've got the go ahead from Europe" I guessed the funding was coming from Europe??
You're right, the channel left between the end of the reclaimed land and Mutton Island looks tiny - My guess is that it's not toally to scale. But take into consideration that no boats would ever be going through that narrow passage ever again, only leisure boats going into the Docks, everything else would be on the SouthEast wall of the new reclaimed land
I hope it happens, finally have a marina in Galway. I think the only people who would object to this is someone who has absolutily no interest/history/involvment with the water. I can just imagine if it was built, in the summer there'd be more fishing rod's hanging off the end of the pier than you could keep count of! There'd be no mackrel left in galway 0 -
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JohnCleary wrote: »Zzippy - I'm not sure where the funding is coming from, but when I was told "We've got the go ahead from Europe" I guessed the funding was coming from Europe??
You're right, the channel left between the end of the reclaimed land and Mutton Island looks tiny - My guess is that it's not toally to scale. But take into consideration that no boats would ever be going through that narrow passage ever again, only leisure boats going into the Docks, everything else would be on the SouthEast wall of the new reclaimed land
I hope it happens, finally have a marina in Galway. I think the only people who would object to this is someone who has absolutily no interest/history/involvment with the water. I can just imagine if it was built, in the summer there'd be more fishing rod's hanging off the end of the pier than you could keep count of! There'd be no mackrel left in galway
Ah, I thought from your map that ships could be berthed all along the north western side, from the colour coding. Would certainly make for an interesting job for the pilots!
I don't think the funding was coming from Europe, more like "permission" or approval following a feasibility study, this would have to be funded from a variety of sources - think it was a public-private partnership envisaged with the city council, developers and the Harbour Company involved. There might have been some funding from Europe but they would only provide a fraction of the total cost...0 -
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The Reclamation project was a simplistic way of creating 'valuable development land' in Galway city. It is delusional in the current environment when all that is needed is a non tidal berth ( or two)
None of this will happen for another 150 years the way things are going
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Sponge Bob wrote: »The Reclamation project was a simplistic way of creating 'valuable development land' in Galway city. It is delusional in the current environment when all that is needed is a non tidal berth ( or two)
None of this will happen for another 150 years the way things are going
well there no building go on so where the fill go to com from ?
but nice to see pot that like what you have in the Meditrarian feel to it and new aswell , whats happen for the volvo ocean race , any plans , think work would have start my now
was in Alicante in 2007 and place was buss of work getting ready for it , was also in Valencia , will again host the America's Cup in 2009 when over a million spectators are expected to view the event from the area's beaches.
ya leve it to last minute and lick off paint ha ha ha0 -
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I had a feeling something was up with the relocation of the oil tanks... They really need to start getting them dismantled within the next few weeks to have any chance of having the site ready for the tented village for the Boat Race. It's a pretty big job just to dismantle the tanks, sheet by metal sheet, then theres the ground itself which I presume will have to be hardcored and concreted over to quite a depth to ensure that contaminants from the previous use don't cause any nasty side effects with people coming to the Race (Even though its only a temporary public use the EPA will be VERY strict on this matter).
God I hope this dosent fall apart on us... So much effort could literally be scuppered by a row over the lease of the new oil tanks...
This is such a big deal to Galway's economy, I reckon anyone who tries to get in the way will soon be picked up and swiftly drop-kicked away
But you're right, things really need to go perfectly to plan for all the work to be completed by May... fingers crossed0 -
JohnCleary wrote: »This is such a big deal to Galway's economy, I reckon anyone who tries to get in the way will soon be picked up and swiftly drop-kicked away
But you're right, things really need to go perfectly to plan for all the work to be completed by May... fingers crossed
We should adopt the same approach as the Chinese adopted when they were preparing to host the Olympics - that everything will go perfect and nothing/nobody will be allowed to stand in the way of that.
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