If you could assemble an All Star XI........

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 2:29pm

spiderdan wrote: »

I'd have Maicon and Ramos ahead of Puyol any day. To say he's a world best RB is a joke, Wes Brown is better IMO. You're on own on that one!

So you dismiss Puyol but then suggest Ramos?! Wow

ShooterSF · 18-12-2008 2:36pm

Hell what about your own Richards?

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 2:38pm

Just on Puyol and the reasons why I picked him -

- Defensive minded. If I wanted an attacking full back I'd have Alvez in the team, certainly before Maicon anyway. With Messi and Robinho as my 'wingers' they are going to do zero defending so a full back who can't defend isn't worth a shite.

- Experience. Played for over a decade at the highest level and handles pressure.

- A leader. Not too many captains floating around my team.

So with that in consideration he is, imo, a solid choice at right full.

-

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 2:42pm

ShooterSF wrote: »

Hell what about your own Richards?

Lol what about him? I'd barely have him in the City team at the moment such is his form.

Warper · 18-12-2008 2:49pm

Casillas
Alves Vidic Carvalho
Kaka Riquelme Xavi Mascherano Stankovic
Messi Ibrahimovic

LOL at people that think Ibrahimovic is no good - he is not the highest paid striker in the world for nothing - the guy is the most natural goalscorer on the planet, also its funny the way a lot people have Carragher and Evra on their teams - guys that cant even make their national teams, take yer heads out of the sand for crying out loud

redout · 18-12-2008 2:51pm

Warper wrote: »

Casillas
Alves Vidic Carvalho
Kaka Riquelme Xavi Mascherano Stankovic
Messi Ibrahimovic

LOL at people that think Ibrahimovic is no good - he is not the highest paid striker in the world for nothing - the guy is the most natural goalscorer on the planet, also its funny the way a lot people have Carragher and Evra on their teams - guys that cant even make their national teams, take yer heads out of the sand for crying out loud

Please tell me any succesful team which plays with only 3 at the back. On Ibrahimovic "the guy is the most natural goalscorer on the planet" LOL.

spiderdan · 18-12-2008 2:55pm

if you read the post Maicon is my choice ahead of Puyol, and yes Ramos is a better RB then Puyol, maybe not on form at the min but better overall, Im not a massive Ramos fan at all. Plus its not long ago that UTD and Chelsea were making noise over poss 20m plus bids- cant be that bad really

Puyol best RB- WOW, lol- good one!! anyone agree with that choice?? nah didn't think so

titan18 · 18-12-2008 3:02pm

redout wrote: »

But like I said better players out there. Villa and Eto'o have far more impressive goalscoring records than Ibrahimovic.

David Villa Valencia 114 apps 70 goals

Spain 41 apps 24 goals

Samuel Eto'o Barcelona 122 apps 93 goals

Cameroon 73 apps 36 goals

Ibrahimovic brings way more than goals to a game.His overall play is fantastic, his vision is superb and you won't find a player with his talent now who can hit the ball so hard.He has amazing dribbling ability and he is scoring consistently in the Italian league.I think you'll find that the defenses in Serie A are better than La Liga.Unlike Eto'o he sint surrounded by some amazing attacking talent.If he had Messi,Iniesta and Xavi opening up defenses for him, he'd be scoring a lot more.

If you put Ibrahimovic into the Barcelona side and took Eto'o out, you'd improve it.Putting Eto'o in the Inter side and taking Ibra out, you would not.

I'm not going to argue about Villa as I rate Ibra and himself as the 2 best forwards.

Anyway,here's my team

Adler

Bosingwa---Vidic---Carvahlo---Maicon

Xavi

Essien

Messi

Robben

Ibracadabra---Villa

spiderdan · 18-12-2008 3:04pm

redout wrote: »

Please tell me any succesful team which plays with only 3 at the back. On Ibrahimovic "the guy is the most natural goalscorer on the planet" LOL.

I dont think he's the most natural but he's certainly a top 3 best striker- you have said nothing to prove otherwise- his record is very impressive, especially of late.

IMO in 08- Torres- Ibra- Eto

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 3:10pm

spiderdan wrote: »

Puyol best RB- WOW, lol- good one!! anyone agree with that choice?? nah didn't think so

So you ask a question then answer it straight away yourself? You'd make a shocking quizmaster.

I said I wanted a DEFENSIVE right back and the only reasonable alternative I've been offered is Wes Brown. Can you add another to that?

eZe^ · 18-12-2008 3:12pm

ShooterSF wrote: »

In fairness I think most of us watch more EPL than anything else. Hard to pick players you dn't see often I guess. Though eZe^'s team has no EPL players so there are exceptions.

Realistically Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Clichy, Carvalho, Gerrard and Ronaldo could quite easily be in my team but I thought they'd already been adequately covered by everyone else.

redout wrote: »

I dont get this whole Ibrahimovic thing I really dont. He is a forward and his main job is to score goals yet he doesnt score a bucket load of them anywhere in his career. He is also 27 so he has a fair bit of experience at this stage. Honestly think he is overrated by some. There is far better better quality forward players Torres, Villa, Eto'o etc.

This is what I find quite amusing. United fans will go as far as to say Rooney is the most important player for Man Utd and one of the best players in the world despite the fact his goal scoring record isn't even better than Robbie Keane's or Darren Bent's. You hear United fans shouting and rouring about how Rooney is more than just a striker, he brings other players into the team and is important for the fluidity of the whole team. Then you hear them say ironic things like Ibra is only a youtube footballer.

There is NO forward on the planet who is better at bringing other forwards/ midfielders into genuine goal scoring positions than Zlatan Ibrahimovic, Freddie Kanoute (who also has a better scoring record than Rooney) comes close but Ibrahimovic also has the ability to do something genuinely special on his own so I'd give him the edge. Zlatan last year was worth a goal every game he played (taking into account his goals and assists) in Serie A. Haven't seen him enough this year but I'm sure his goals and assists ratio mean he is close to being worth a goal a game.

Boggles wrote: »

Wes Brown, most appearances of any of the United defenders last season, which happened to be the best defense in Europe, that defensive enough for?

Attacking wise more assists and goals than Evra.

Puyol was part of a defense that conceded 43. Apart from that he predominately plays Centre back, but if you wish to add Brown to that, I refer you to the 2 Barcelona games last season where for me he was man of the match at the Nou Camp playing Centre Half.

The Barca team that conceded 43 goals in a season was the worst Barcelona side in the past 5/6 years, and they also ended up having the 4th best defense in the league. La Liga teams concede more goals than EPL teams, it's always been that way. Even the dream team from the 90's regularly conceded 40 goals a season, that's just the way La Liga has been. The only team that was very solid defensively and won La Liga was Rafa's Valencia side in 2001.

Carlos Puyol was also a part of the Spainish defense in the Euro's that conceded three goals in the whole competition and believe or not, went on to win the tournament. He's also a the captain of Barcelona this year, a team who have the best defense and attack in the Spanish league at the moment. I'm actually sick to death of people constantly calling Carlos Puyol rubbish, he is a natural leader and on his day is one of the best CB's in the world. He saves the team much much more than he causes them to concede.

titan18 wrote: »

If you put Ibrahimovic into the Barcelona side and took Eto'o out, you'd improve it.Putting Eto'o in the Inter side and taking Ibra out, you would not.

I'm not going to argue about Villa as I rate Ibra and himself as the 2 best forwards.

As much as I agree with you on Ibrahimovic's overall game, you're analysis of Eto'o is mistaken. Have you watched him play? He said himself he prefers to put pressure on CB's and tackle then than score goals, Eto'o is a very intelligent forward who may not bring players into the game as well as Ibrahimovic, but if you put Eto'o/ Xavi into this Inter team you can prety much guarantee they'll score an extra 15 goals a season. Whereas Barcelona have enough players that can create goals, Barca need a natural finisher, which is something Ibrahimovic isn't.

iregk · 18-12-2008 3:12pm

Unbeatable in my opinion!!!!

................Lorenzo Buffon

Tasotti ...........Baresi...........Maldini

Trappatoni .....Rijkaard ........Leidholm

.....................Rivera

Altafini ........Van Basten ......Nordhal

herbieflowers · 18-12-2008 3:13pm

a precursor to the draft thread once it gets finalised, hehe - it's gonna be mental!

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 3:15pm

iregk wrote: »

Unbeatable in my opinion!!!!

................Lorenzo Buffon

Tasotti ...........Baresi...........Maldini

Trappatoni .....Rijkaard ........Leidholm

.....................Rivera

Altafini ........Van Basten ......Nordhal

Jays all you're missin is Father Romeo Sensini! :pac:

eZe^ · 18-12-2008 3:21pm

iregk wrote: »

Unbeatable in my opinion!!!!

................Lorenzo Buffon

Tasotti ...........Baresi...........Maldini

Trappatoni .....Rijkaard ........Leidholm

.....................Rivera

Altafini ........Van Basten ......Nordhal

We going all time here?

Kahn

Cafu

Baresi

Maldini

Makalele

Zidane

Guardiola

---Maradonna

Laudrup

Rivaldo

Ronaldo

Frisbee · 18-12-2008 3:22pm

Casillas

Bosingwa

Carvalho

Vidic

Clichy

Essien

Xavi

Fabregas

Messi

Ronaldo

Torres

Frankie Lee · 18-12-2008 3:23pm

Mine would be:

Buffon

-Bosingwa--Vidic

Carvalho

Evra-

Essien

Xavi

Ronaldo

A.Young-

Messi

Torres

Formation is a bit messy I know.

Warper · 18-12-2008 3:33pm

redout wrote: »

Buffon

Zambrotta
Nesta
Vidic
Evra

Messi
Gattuso
Xavi
Ronaldo

Torres----Villa

Zambrotta, Nesta and Gattuso in the worlds best 11 - youre having a laugh. they are all well past their prime oh and i wont even get into the Evra thing - great pics ya clueless buffoon

Frankie Lee · 18-12-2008 3:34pm

All time-

Lev Yashin

-Cafu

Cannavaro

Maldini

Stuart Pearce--

Roy Keane

-Cryuff

Maradona

Zidane

Best--

Van Basten

ShooterSF · 18-12-2008 3:34pm

European Goalkeeper, Defender or Midfielder of the year not mentioned yet? Wouldn't have them in my team myself but it is odd that no-one would.

(Ill prob have a team I missed pointed out

)

bUILDERtHEbOB · 18-12-2008 3:50pm

Mine would be:

Cassillas

Alves---Carvalho

Vidic---Clichy

Mascherano

Xavi

Fabregas

Messi

Iniesta

Eto'o

titan18 · 18-12-2008 3:54pm

All time

Yashin

Carlos Alberto Baresi Beckenbauer Maldini

Keane

Garrincha Zidane Maradona

Pele----Puskas----

This was way too hard to pick.Particularly the midfielders as there are so many, attacking skill players mostly.Cruyff,Hagi,Neeskens,Gerson, way too hard to pick.

Frankie Lee · 18-12-2008 3:56pm

titan18 wrote: »

All time

Yashin

Carlos Alberto Baresi Beckenbauer Maldini
Keane

Garrincha Zidane Maradona
Pele----Puskas----

This was way too hard to pick.Particularly the midfielders as there are so many, attacking skill players mostly.Cruyff,Hagi,Neeskens,Gerson, way too hard to pick.

Good team

Bubs101 · 18-12-2008 4:07pm

Maicon is streets ahead of the likes of Puyol and Brown and how is Del Piero not being considered here. Top scorer in Serie B, top scorer in Serie A and the man is a supporting striker, not a goal grabber. He deserves to be considered at least

spiderdan · 18-12-2008 4:28pm

I GuanYin wrote: »

So you ask a question then answer it straight away yourself? You'd make a shocking quizmaster.

I said I wanted a DEFENSIVE right back and the only reasonable alternative I've been offered is Wes Brown. Can you add another to that?

Rhetorical Question I do believe they call it! Learning a lot today aren't we!! especially about good right backs!

Do you need braille added to you screen?? I've repeatability said Maicon is my choice ahead of Puyol, and yes as in a DEFENSIVE RB. A right back is a right back, they should offer more then defensive ability. Especially the way the game is played today.

redout · 18-12-2008 4:29pm

Warper wrote: »

Casillas
Alves Vidic Carvalho
Kaka Riquelme Xavi Mascherano Stankovic
Messi Ibrahimovic

LOL at people that think Ibrahimovic is no good - he is not the highest paid striker in the world for nothing - the guy is the most natural goalscorer on the planet,

Warper wrote: »

Zambrotta, Nesta and Gattuso in the worlds best 11 - youre having a laugh. they are all well past their prime oh and i wont even get into the Evra thing - great pics ya clueless buffoon

The most ridiculous statement I have heard about the player. If anyone backs up what you said then let them be known.

Nesta is the best CB in the world. Injured this season. Four times he has been voted the Best Serie A defender. Four time member of UEFA team of the year 2007 most recent. The guy has appeared more times on the UEFA team than any other player except Henry. Two time champions league winner. Gattuso another two time champions league winner is pivotal to AC Milan and has been for years. If I was offered either right now I would take them with open arms.

Anyway to come back to your statement highlighted above, absolute and utter bollox. For all those out there that think I said Ibrahimovic is bad well I have not said so. All I said was that I think he is overrated and that better players are available in the forwards position. His primary job is to score goals and there are better players at doing it than him. As for Rooney I am sure any Man Utd fan could tell you that when he does not play it is true that United dont seem to do as good as opposed to when he is in the team. But that is also true of some other players with different clubs. He was never a 30 goal a season player and never will be but he is a sure bet for 20 goals, teamwork and a winning mentality.

Quint · 18-12-2008 4:41pm

All time:

Schmeichel

----Krol----McGrath----Scirea---Maldini

Beckenbauer

Socrates

Zidane

Baggio

Maradona

Pele

On the bench: Yashin, Baresi, Breitner, Keane, Puskas, Di Stefano

iregk · 18-12-2008 4:45pm

spiderdan wrote: »

Rhetorical Question I do believe they call it!

Don't know how you propose that a direct open question is rhetorical. Maybe you don't understand the meaning of the word really.

spiderdan wrote: »

Do you need braille added to you screen??

What good would braille do on a flat screen.

eZe^ · 18-12-2008 4:47pm

Realistically in an all time greats team I could easily have included the likes of Di Stefano, Kubala, Puskas, Stoickov, Muller, Romario, Beckenbaur, Pele, Eusebio, Batigol, Basten, and about 50 other players that would all be equally as effective in their positions.

Quint · 18-12-2008 4:53pm

eZe^ wrote: »

Realistically in an all time greats team I could easily have included the likes of Di Stefano, Kubala, Puskas, Stoickov, Muller, Romario, Beckenbaur, Pele, Eusebio, Batigol, Basten, and about 50 other players that would all be equally as effective in their positions.

Yeah, it's sort of pointless, but a a bit of fun.

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 4:55pm

spiderdan wrote: »

Rhetorical Question I do believe they call it! Learning a lot today aren't we!! especially about good right backs!

Lol look up rhetorical. It doesn't relate to open questiobs.

Do you need braille added to you screen?? I've repeatability said Maicon is my choice ahead of Puyol, and yes as in a DEFENSIVE RB. A right back is a right back, they should offer more then defensive ability. Especially the way the game is played today.

I'd hold back on the insults

Maicon is your choice. Well done. That's not what I asked though is it?

A right back is a right back? So Gary Neville is the same type of player as Alves?

Hank Scorpio · 18-12-2008 5:11pm

Buffon

boswinga

Vidic

carvalho

evra

Ronaldo

Essien

Xavi

Messi

Kaka

Torres

spiderdan · 18-12-2008 5:15pm

I GuanYin wrote: »

Lol look up rhetorical. It doesn't relate to open questiobs.

I'd hold back on the insults

Maicon is your choice. Well done. That's not what I asked though is it?

A right back is a right back? So Gary Neville is the same type of player as Alves?

LOL- someone likes being a mod! FFS!!!

It was a question asked for a purpose other than to obtain the information the question asks! rhetorical or not I made my point- not one person agreed with your choice!

You asked who is an alt to Puyol as a RB. I said Maicon- defensive and offensive simple as! Question answered- BTW my first choice was Alves- if you care to look back!

No- Gary Neveille is ****e, Alves isn't

dfx- · 18-12-2008 5:18pm

All star can be construed as many things..

Casillas
Puyol Carvalho Vidic Abidal
Messi Yaya Toure Xavi Ribery
Higuain
Torres

Ibrahimovic

Natural goalscorer

Cannavaro :eek:

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 5:19pm

spiderdan wrote: »

LOL- someone likes being a mod! FFS!!!

Because I informed you that you'd breached the charter? Yep major power trip on my part :rolleyes:

EDIT: I'm not dragging this OT. If you've a problem with my modding then feel free to PM me or start a thread in Feedback/Help Desk. I haven't had one of those yet.

keane2097 · 18-12-2008 5:19pm

I GuanYin wrote: »

Just on Puyol and the reasons why I picked him -

- Defensive minded. If I wanted an attacking full back I'd have Alvez in the team, certainly before Maicon anyway. With Messi and Robinho as my 'wingers' they are going to do zero defending so a full back who can't defend isn't worth a shite.

- Experience. Played for over a decade at the highest level and handles pressure.

- A leader. Not too many captains floating around my team.

So with that in consideration he is, imo, a solid choice at right full.

-

But he's crap...

jesus_thats_gre · 18-12-2008 5:23pm

Cassillas

Alves---Carvalho

Vidic---Clichy

Mascherano

Xavi

Gerard

Messi

Iniesta

Torres

Slightly biased but still

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 5:24pm

keane2097 wrote: »

But he's crap...

In your opinion.....

keane2097 · 18-12-2008 5:33pm

I GuanYin wrote: »

In your opinion.....

Well of course it's my opinion. I said it didn't I!? Who else's opinion would it be!?

jesus_thats_gre · 18-12-2008 5:34pm

I GuanYin wrote: »

In your opinion.....

He isn't good enough to be considered for an All Star XI.. You can argue whatever point you like and persist for as long as you like but it is simply wrong...

The same applies to the Robinho over Ronaldo nonsense...

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 5:36pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Well of course it's my opinion. I said it didn't I!? Who else's opinion would it be!?

Once we're ok that it's not a fact, and is most likely further away from the truth given that he captained Spain to the Euro 2008 trophy and is club captain of the team beating all before them in La Liga.

Crap players don't do that.

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 5:37pm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

The same applies to the Robinho over Ronaldo nonsense...

I already said that I picked Robinho because I prefer watching him.

No more biased than your selections which could equally be described as nonsense.

Anyway, can you point me to where it says that it has to be the best team? It's the All Star team you would pick and is therefore completely subjective so any criticism is pointless.

redout · 18-12-2008 5:40pm

keane2097 wrote: »

But he's crap...

Puyol is a good CB but an average RB. Simple, discussion over. Xavi gave his reasons and he is entitled to them. No need to keep going on about it.

Mr Alan · 18-12-2008 5:41pm

jesus_thats_gre wrote: »

Cassillas
Alves---Carvalho
Vidic---Clichy
Mascherano
Xavi
Gerard
Messi
Iniesta
Torres

Slightly biased but still

I GuanYin wrote: »

I already said that I picked Robinho because I prefer watching him.

No more biased than your selections which could equally be described as nonsense.

not really the same Xavi.

Torres, Gerrard & Mascherano all could be considered among the top couple of professionals in their position in world football.

redout · 18-12-2008 5:42pm

I GuanYin wrote: »

Once we're ok that it's not a fact, and is most likely further away from the truth given that he captained Spain to the Euro 2008 trophy and is club captain of the team beating all before them in La Liga.

Crap players don't do that.

Casillas was the captain.

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 5:42pm

Mr Alan wrote: »

not really the same Xavi.

Torres, Gerrard & Mascherano all could be considered among the top couple of professionals in their position in world football.

And Robinho (the world's most expensive player) isn't one of the best wingers in the game?

Smegball · 18-12-2008 5:43pm

Casillas

Alves----Vidic---Carvalho--Evra

Essien

----Fabregas--Xavi

Ronaldo

Messi-

Torres

Casillas is a MUST imo, back four is solid with vidic and carvalho providing an excellent defensive partnership, both full backs are excellent going forward and Evra is solid defending too although I do realise Alves isn't the best defensively I think having the complete monster of Essien in DM makes up for this, this man is the engine of the team, he will cover every blade of grass and can also pass a football.
Then you have the two passing masters in midfield with Fabregas and Xavi with the potential for some goals too

Wingers, Messi and Ronaldo? Enough said there tbh.
Debated between Etoo and Torres, but went with Torres as I love to watch this lad play football even as a United supporter, you just can't argue the boy oozes class.

Loco · 18-12-2008 5:43pm

I GuanYin wrote: »

I already said that I picked Robinho because I prefer watching him.

Ronaldo has to be in an All Star XI. Your team appears to be based on players you fancy rather than their football skills!

keane2097 · 18-12-2008 5:44pm

redout wrote: »

Puyol is a good CB but an average RB. Simple, discussion over. Xavi gave his reasons and he is entitled to them. No need to keep going on about it.

I'll do as I please thank you. Backseat modding can lick my balls.

Xavi6 · 18-12-2008 5:44pm

redout wrote: »

Casillas was the captain.

My apologies.

Just one final thing on Puyol -

Individual

* UEFA Team of the Year: 2002, 2005, 2006
* UEFA Club Best Defender: 2006
* FIFPro World XI: 2007, 2008
* UEFA Euro 2008 Team of the Tournament

Hardly the hallmarks of a 'crap' player.

If you could assemble an All Star XI........

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